[News] Why Adobe Should Embrace Desktop GNU/Linux

Roy Schestowitz · External Since: Jun 26, 2005 Posts: 27715

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Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War

,----[ Quote ]
| Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
| immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
| Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
| has been making significant strides in
| usability of late, and of course Google's
| Android smartphone OS.
`----

http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=12669

Mac OS X is no better, just better marketed.

Cool free stuff

,----[ Quote ]
| Going through the article brought me back to
| my Windows days, when I would scour download
| sites (CNET's Download.com being a favorite)
| for free applications and utilities.
| Nowadays, since I only use Linux and Mac OS
| X, I've done a lot less of that. After all,
| there are boatloads of free programs for
| Linux, and I mostly use OpenOffice for work
| on my Macbook.
`----

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideBusop.htm?f=2010/april/13/chi...ng.isx&

Recent:

Linux group LiMo growing, Adobe joins

,----[ Quote ]
| U.S. software firm Adobe and three other
| firms joined the wireless Linux group LiMo
| on Monday, underlying the growing role of
| the Linux computer operating system in
| cellphones.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61E15G20100215
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Nick Ballard · External Since: Mar 10, 2009 Posts: 9

On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
wrote:
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> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
> | Canonical’s Ubuntu operating system, which
> | has been making significant strides in

I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
"New Ubuntu look too destructive",
http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339271231).
While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
Shuttleworth claims that it will "open the right-hand side to
experimentation", but if that were the case they should have included
any new UI elements in the current release or waited until the next
release when they had the new features completed and the change would
have made sense. What they've done is make asses of themselves, and by
dangerously close association, the desktop Linux community.

> | usability of late, and of course Google’s
> | Android smartphone OS.

Most handset vendors using Android already bundle Flash Lite, as far
as I'm aware...

> `----
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=12669
>
> Mac OS X is no better, just better marketed.
>
> Cool free stuff
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Going through the article brought me back to
> | my Windows days, when I would scour download
> | sites (CNET’s Download.com being a favorite)
> | for free applications and utilities.

Ah, yes...I remember those days also. Viruses, trojans, and worms, oh
my!

When I do use Windows, I at least have the sense to use "Free
Software" rather than "Freeware".

> | Nowadays, since I only use Linux and Mac OS
> | X, I’ve done a lot less of that. After all,
> | there are boatloads of free programs for
> | Linux, and I mostly use OpenOffice for work
> | on my Macbook.
> `----
>
> http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideBusop.htm?f=2010/april/13/ch....
>
> Recent:
>
> Linux group LiMo growing, Adobe joins
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | U.S. software firm Adobe and three other
> | firms joined the wireless Linux group LiMo
> | on Monday, underlying the growing role of
> | the Linux computer operating system in
> | cellphones.

Not a bad move for Adobe. It's only a matter of time before Linux
dominates the entire cell phone market.

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Nick Ballard · External Since: Mar 10, 2009 Posts: 9

On Apr 14, 7:53 pm, Hadron wrote:
> Nick Ballard writes:
> > On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
> > wrote:
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> >> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>
> >> ,----[ Quote ]
> >> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
> >> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
> >> | Canonical’s Ubuntu operating system, which
> >> | has been making significant strides in
>
> > I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
> > Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
> > "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
> >http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=33927....).
> > While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
> > what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>
> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
> ... "flawlessly".
>
> Go back to using Windows ...

Don't try to spin this. It's Ubuntu that's become the problem, not
Linux.

Hadron · External Since: Nov 28, 2009 Posts: 806

Nick Ballard writes:

> On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
> wrote:
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>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>> | has been making significant strides in
>
> I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
> Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
> "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
> http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339271231).
> While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
> what possessed them to make this change in the first place.

You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
.... "flawlessly".

Go back to using Windows ...

Peter Köhlmann · External Since: Mar 11, 2009 Posts: 128

Hadron wrote:

> Nick Ballard writes:
>
>> On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
>> wrote:
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>>> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>>> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>>> | has been making significant strides in
>>
>> I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
>> Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
>> "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
>>
http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339271231).
>> While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
>> what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>
> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
> ... "flawlessly".

Poor Hadron Larry Snot Quark

That wasn't about something "not working". It was about the *looks* of
Ubuntu and *if* it might worsen usability

Can you get any dumber than that, Larry?

> Go back to using Windows ...

Why should he do the same you are doing?
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with ketchup!

JEDIDIAH · External Since: Sep 24, 2004 Posts: 1501

On 2010-04-15, Nick Ballard wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
> wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>> | has been making significant strides in
>
> I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
> Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:

....which doesn't really matter so much for $600 graphics tools that put
the complexity of a Unix terminal shell to shame.

Plus, the kind of expensive corporate tools that Adobe sells will likely
be used by and managed by professional IT shops that tend to rough out
those sorts of edges.

If Adobe's bread and butter were things like iMovie, this would be a
more compelling issue.

[deletia]

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rather than what you would like to happen. This is true of personal / | \
affairs, government and business.

JEDIDIAH · External Since: Sep 24, 2004 Posts: 1501

On 2010-04-15, Hadron wrote:
>
>
> Nick Ballard writes:
>
>> On Apr 14, 7:53 pm, Hadron wrote:
>>> Nick Ballard writes:
>>> > On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> >> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> >> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>>
>>> >> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> >> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>>> >> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>>> >> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>>> >> | has been making significant strides in
>>>
>>> > I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
>>> > Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
>>> > "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
>>> >http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=33927...).
>>> > While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
>>> > what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>>>
>>> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
>>> ... "flawlessly".
>>>
>>> Go back to using Windows ...
>>
>> Don't try to spin this. It's Ubuntu that's become the problem, not
>> Linux.
>
> Ubuntu is a Linux based OS.

....that can be configured as the user desires.

This user could be Ubuntu or Dell or Wamu.

[deletia]

--
Unfortunately, the universe will not conform itself to
your fantasies. You have to manage based on what really happens |||
rather than what you would like to happen. This is true of personal / | \
affairs, government and business.

JEDIDIAH · External Since: Sep 24, 2004 Posts: 1501

On 2010-04-15, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Nick Ballard writes:
>>
>>> On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
>>> wrote:
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>>>> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>>>> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>>>> | has been making significant strides in
>>>
>>> I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
>>> Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
>>> "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
>>>
> http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339271231).
>>> While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
>>> what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>>
>> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
>> ... "flawlessly".
>
>
> Poor Hadron Larry Snot Quark
>
> That wasn't about something "not working". It was about the *looks* of
> Ubuntu and *if* it might worsen usability

....it was also about something that is TRIVIAL to change.

While this certainly might pose a problem for the common n00b that's trying
out a copy of Linux for the first time, it's not such a big deal for anyone
else.

--
Unfortunately, the universe will not conform itself to
your fantasies. You have to manage based on what really happens |||
rather than what you would like to happen. This is true of personal / | \
affairs, government and business.

Hadron · External Since: Nov 28, 2009 Posts: 806

Nick Ballard writes:

> On Apr 14, 7:53 pm, Hadron wrote:
>> Nick Ballard writes:
>> > On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
>> > wrote:
>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> >> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> >> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>
>> >> ,----[ Quote ]
>> >> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>> >> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>> >> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>> >> | has been making significant strides in
>>
>> > I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
>> > Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
>> > "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
>> >http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=33927...).
>> > While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
>> > what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>>
>> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
>> ... "flawlessly".
>>
>> Go back to using Windows ...
>
> Don't try to spin this. It's Ubuntu that's become the problem, not
> Linux.

Ubuntu is a Linux based OS.

And I spun nothing. People like these guys CLAIMED that this Ubuntu
upgrade/install worked flawlessly for them.

What part of "it worked for ..." is is spin?

Learn to read, Son of Rexx, and get back to us.

As that kid with the degree would now add to further his attempts to
appear really clever ... "Mmmmm?".

Peter Köhlmann · External Since: Mar 11, 2009 Posts: 128

Hadron wrote:

> Nick Ballard writes:
>
>> On Apr 14, 7:53 pm, Hadron wrote:
>>> Nick Ballard writes:
>>> > On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> >> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> >> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>>
>>> >> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> >> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>>> >> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>>> >> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>>> >> | has been making significant strides in
>>>
>>> > I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
>>> > Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
>>> > "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
>>>
>http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=33927...).
>>> > While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
>>> > what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>>>
>>> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
>>> ... "flawlessly".
>>>
>>> Go back to using Windows ...
>>
>> Don't try to spin this. It's Ubuntu that's become the problem, not
>> Linux.
>
> Ubuntu is a Linux based OS.
>
> And I spun nothing. People like these guys CLAIMED that this Ubuntu
> upgrade/install worked flawlessly for them.
>
> What part of "it worked for ..." is is spin?
>
> Learn to read, Son of Rexx, and get back to us.
>
> As that kid with the degree would now add to further his attempts to
> appear really clever ... "Mmmmm?".

You still haven't grokked that the link does *not* point to a "problem",
Hadron Larry Snot Quark?
Your usual reading disability? Or are you again just simply lying your ass
off?
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slightly used clues.

Nick Ballard · External Since: Mar 10, 2009 Posts: 9

On Apr 15, 11:04 am, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2010-04-15, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hadron wrote:
>
> >> Nick Ballard writes:
>
> >>> On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>>> Hash: SHA1
>
> >>>> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>
> >>>> ,----[ Quote ]
> >>>> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
> >>>> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
> >>>> | Canonical’s Ubuntu operating system, which
> >>>> | has been making significant strides in
>
> >>> I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
> >>> Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
> >>> "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
>
> >http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=33927....).
> >>> While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
> >>> what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>
> >> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
> >> ... "flawlessly".
>
> > Poor Hadron Larry Snot Quark
>
> > That wasn't about something "not working". It was about the *looks* of
> > Ubuntu and *if* it might worsen usability
>
> ...it was also about something that is TRIVIAL to change.
>
> While this certainly might pose a problem for the common n00b that's trying
> out a copy of Linux for the first time, it's not such a big deal for anyone
> else.

That's exactly my point. Besides having been widely protested by
Ubuntu's current user base, this change could be awkward enough to
hinder the migration of new users. If Adobe were serious about
supporting desktop Linux, they'd be as vendor-neutral as possible.

Hadron · External Since: Nov 28, 2009 Posts: 806

Peter Köhlmann writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Nick Ballard writes:
>>
>>> On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
>>> wrote:
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>>>> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>>>> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>>>> | has been making significant strides in
>>>
>>> I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
>>> Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
>>> "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
>>>
> http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339271231).
>>> While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
>>> what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>>
>> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
>> ... "flawlessly".
>
> Poor Hadron Larry Snot Quark
>
> That wasn't about something "not working". It was about the *looks* of
> Ubuntu and *if* it might worsen usability
>
> Can you get any dumber than that, Larry?

Seriously : get some help. I don't even know who Larry is.

The point remains : according to the gimps here it all works flawlessly,
looks great etc etc etc.

>
>> Go back to using Windows ...
>
> Why should he do the same you are doing?

Huh? What are you talking about? YOU are the Windows developer here. I
use Debian linux for all my needs give or take.

You are insane.

Roy Schestowitz · External Since: Jun 26, 2005 Posts: 27715

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____/ Nick Ballard on Thursday 15 Apr 2010 01:39 : \____

> On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
> wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>> | has been making significant strides in
>
> I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
> Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
> "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
> http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339271231).
> While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
> what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
> Shuttleworth claims that it will "open the right-hand side to
> experimentation", but if that were the case they should have included
> any new UI elements in the current release or waited until the next
> release when they had the new features completed and the change would
> have made sense. What they've done is make asses of themselves, and by
> dangerously close association, the desktop Linux community.

I think the plan is to introduce a new "innovate" widget on the top right corner in 10.10.

>> | usability of late, and of course Google's
>> | Android smartphone OS.
>
> Most handset vendors using Android already bundle Flash Lite, as far
> as I'm aware...
>
>> `----
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=12669
>>
>> Mac OS X is no better, just better marketed.
>>
>> Cool free stuff
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Going through the article brought me back to
>> | my Windows days, when I would scour download
>> | sites (CNET's Download.com being a favorite)
>> | for free applications and utilities.
>
> Ah, yes...I remember those days also. Viruses, trojans, and worms, oh
> my!
>
> When I do use Windows, I at least have the sense to use "Free
> Software" rather than "Freeware".
>
>> | Nowadays, since I only use Linux and Mac OS
>> | X, I've done a lot less of that. After all,
>> | there are boatloads of free programs for
>> | Linux, and I mostly use OpenOffice for work
>> | on my Macbook.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideBusop.htm?f=2010/april/13/ch...
>>
>> Recent:
>>
>> Linux group LiMo growing, Adobe joins
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | U.S. software firm Adobe and three other
>> | firms joined the wireless Linux group LiMo
>> | on Monday, underlying the growing role of
>> | the Linux computer operating system in
>> | cellphones.
>
> Not a bad move for Adobe. It's only a matter of time before Linux
> dominates the entire cell phone market.
>
>> `----

It seems so. The "desktop" is being wedged from above and below.

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Peter Köhlmann · External Since: Mar 11, 2009 Posts: 128

Hadron wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> Nick Ballard writes:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>
>>>>> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>>>>> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>>>>> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>>>>> | has been making significant strides in
>>>>
>>>> I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
>>>> Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
>>>> "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
>>>>
>>
http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339271231).
>>>> While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
>>>> what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>>>
>>> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
>>> ... "flawlessly".
>>
>> Poor Hadron Larry Snot Quark
>>
>> That wasn't about something "not working". It was about the *looks* of
>> Ubuntu and *if* it might worsen usability
>>
>> Can you get any dumber than that, Larry?
>
> Seriously : get some help. I don't even know who Larry is.

Naturally not. And you also have absolutely no idea of "Msg-IDs"

> The point remains : according to the gimps here it all works flawlessly,
> looks great etc etc etc.

The link you keep referring to has *nothing* to do with stuff "not
working"

Is it really *that* hard to hammer something into your brainless skull?

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stupidity of your action.

Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 865

Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:

> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>
>> As if *anything* you claim is of any value whatsoever.
>
> You are making claims not me. I can not "claim" not to be someone I am
> not nor have ever claimed to be. You are insane.
>
> I am still awaiting a link to a single lie from me.
>
> I can not remember the last time you posted about something where you
> were actually correct.
>
> You are clearly not a programmer. I doubt you use Linux that much and
> your irrational hatred for Windows is clearly borne out because of your
> end of the line job you are stuck in working with MS Windows.
>
> I feel kind of sorry for you. Your bitterness and resent is no way to go
> through life son.

Another raving and useless post from the "Hadron" troll.

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chrisv · External Since: Nov 02, 2004 Posts: 2222

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>Hadron quacked:
>>
>> I am still awaiting a link to a single lie from me.

LOL

>> (snip snot)
>>
>> I feel kind of sorry for you.

Why? Because he has moral encumbrances?

>Another raving and useless post from the "Hadron" troll.

He must have a quota to fill.

Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 865

chrisv pulled this Usenet boner:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>Hadron quacked:
>>>
>>> I am still awaiting a link to a single lie from me.
>
> LOL
>
>>> (snip snot)
>>>
>>> I feel kind of sorry for you.
>
> Why? Because he has moral encumbrances?
>
>>Another raving and useless post from the "Hadron" troll.
>
> He must have a quota to fill.

I put him back in the bin. He's the only poster I know
who "sounds" natteringly loud and grating without using
ALL CAPS. Amazingly snotty, too.

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Rex Ballard · External Since: Apr 17, 2007 Posts: 181

On Apr 14, 7:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
wrote:

> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War

> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
> | Canonical’s Ubuntu operating system, which
> | has been making significant strides in
> | usability of late, and of course Google’s
> | Android smartphone OS.
> `----

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=12669

Google is also doing Chromium, which, from what I've seen so far is
UBUNTU Linux with Chrome, Google Apps, Google Gadgets, and you still
have the option of installing all those nice Linux apps like Open
Office, Dia, and some other tools. It also looks like Google will be
supporting both Flash and FireFox's media standards.

Google made a fortune by making as much as possible available to as
many as possible, and providing some sponsored links that could easily
be distinguished as such when customers were ready to buy something.
The result was one of the strongest brands in the entire IT industry.
Google has now become a verb for searching the internet using their
search engine.

A similar strategy with Linux could be a very big win for Google as
well. Linux has thousands of applications, in addition to thousands
of Java applications, and thousands of Google applications.

> Mac OS X is no better, just better marketed.

Apple did a really good job of bringing an artistic flair to the PC
desktop. It's not as functional in that it doesn't make it easier to
find the right app out of hundreds or thousands available, but it does
provide an aesthetically pleasing experience.

An economy car has cloth seats, minimally padded, and firm shock
absorbers, as well as a fairly small engine. Everything is light and
cheap, but you can commute short distances without getting too
uncomfortable. Windows is like that.

A luxury car has leather seats, very thickly padded, and a suspension
designed to make even a very bumpy road seem smooth. It's heavier, so
it needs a bigger engine, which makes it more expensive to by and to
operate, but it's comfortable for both those short commutes and those
cross country trips, as long as you stay in hotels at night. It will
also hold a couple of large suitcases, but not too much more.

A pickup truck can have economy seats or very comfortable seats,
usually has a firm suspension that still feels smooth. Behind the
drivers seat though, you can put almost anything you want. You can
put in racks or shelves for tools and supplies, for example for a
plumber, or your can put in a bed, a sink, and even a small
refrigerator, so that you don't even have to stay at a hotel. You can
get really fancy if you want to. And if you want an even bigger
rolling hotel room, you can use the bed for a "5th wheel" towing unit
and pull a nice long trailer that could include bed(s), sink, toilet,
and even a shower, as well as a fridge, stove, and kitchen table.
Linux is about like that. You have all these things you can add to
your basic Linux configuration, depending on how much RAM and disk
your PC has.

The Pickup and the Luxury car may have similar engines, but they have
lots of things that are different too.

Google is more like a panel van. You have the same front as the
truck, but it's easier to add your accessories to the back, without
having to buy special shells and replace the bed and the other work of
customizing the vehicle. At the same time, there is enough capacity
left over to add a trailer hitch and still tow a pretty good sized
trailer if you'd like.

> Cool free stuff
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Going through the article brought me back to
> | my Windows days, when I would scour download
> | sites (CNET’s Download.com being a favorite)
> | for free applications and utilities.

One of the big problems with so many of those applications and
utilities is that they weren't actually free. Yes, you could download
them without making a credit card payment first, but you still had to
register them, usually after 30 days, and to get the registration
code, you had to pay around $40 per application.

Ironically, a portion of that registration fee was to cover
Microsoft's license fees, for the runtime libraries for things like
Visual Basic, Visual C++, and Microsoft's standard runtime libraries
that were included with Windows.

When shareware wasn't registered, Microsoft didn't get their money.
This is why Microsoft was so eager to have the Software Publishers
Association (SPA) and Business Software Alliance (BSA) and other
agents go after companies who didn't register their favorite
shareware. Of course, once the the unregistered share-ware was
discovered, this was the justification for a complete audit of all
licenses for all software, especially the Microsoft software.

In effect, the CIO or CTO was being black-mailed. After all, at this
point, the CIO has already permitted piracy and if he was unaware of
the unlicensed WinZip software, what other pirated software might be
sitting on user's PCs. Furthermore, Microsoft could even end up
revoking the licenses they already had, since they had violated the
terms of the Windows licenses.

An audit might reveal insufficient client access licenses, multiplexed
access to databases, insufficient number of processor or concurrent
user licenses, and insufficient number of licenses for commercial
software such as Office, Project, Visio, Erwin, Visual Studio, or any
number of other commercial applications. In addition to the liability
of each of the licenses, there was also the possible fines and
penalties for the copyright violations themselves. Fines as high as
$100,000 per offense, or up to 5 years in federal prison per offense
if the FBI were called in.

In a "worst case scenario", a CIO could be held personally liable for
each copy on each machine as one offense.

Of course, when faced with this "gunpoint negotiating position", the
CIO would be more than eager to accept Microsoft's generous offer to
have all issues dropped if they would agree to upgrade all of their
PCs to the newest versions of Windows and Office, as well as removing
any competitor's products, including all of that share-ware.

Finally, the CIO would be given a strangely worded "Plain English"
policy statement, that he could have every employee acknowledge,
usually on a web site, that told them not to copy software. Because
the wording was so general, there was no emphasis on the share-ware,
so the employees very often assumed that since it was free to
download, they would immediately install it for themselves, setting up
the CIO for the next round of audits and forced upgrades.

> | Nowadays, since I only use Linux and Mac OS
> | X, I’ve done a lot less of that. After all,
> | there are boatloads of free programs for
> | Linux, and I mostly use OpenOffice for work
> | on my Macbook.
> `----

It's rather ironic that many companies are less concerned about
unregistered shareware, which does involve license fees, than they are
about Open Office and FireFox, which have no such restrictions.

> http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideBusop.htm?f=2010/april/13/ch....

Snit · External Since: Jan 09, 2009 Posts: 2161

Rex Ballard stated in post
59712d78-1b99-4a43-82a6-0edd050c024a.DeleteThis@b33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com on 4/16/10
3:04 PM:

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>> Mac OS X is no better, just better marketed.
>
> Apple did a really good job of bringing an artistic flair to the PC
> desktop. It's not as functional in that it doesn't make it easier to
> find the right app out of hundreds or thousands available, but it does
> provide an aesthetically pleasing experience.

It does more than that - it provides an experience which, while far from
perfect (and downright silly in some places), is likely closest to an ideal
of following well established usability standards that have been shown to
promote productivity and efficiency.

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JEDIDIAH · External Since: Sep 24, 2004 Posts: 1501

On 2010-04-15, Nick Ballard wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 15, 11:04 am, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-04-15, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hadron wrote:
>>
>> >> Nick Ballard writes:
>>
>> >>> On Apr 14, 5:41 pm, Roy Schestowitz
>> >>> wrote:
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>> >>>> Adobe, Choose Your Allies in the Apple War
>>
>> >>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> >>>> | Two clear Allies for Adobe come to light
>> >>>> | immediately — desktop Linux, in the form of
>> >>>> | Canonical's Ubuntu operating system, which
>> >>>> | has been making significant strides in
>>
>> >>> I hate to be the one to call bullshit, but the Great Window Button
>> >>> Debacle of 10.04 has brought Ubuntu's usability into question (see:
>> >>> "New Ubuntu look too destructive",
>>
>> >http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=33927...).
>> >>> While this is something easily fixed by the user, one has to wonder
>> >>> what possessed them to make this change in the first place.
>>
>> >> You must be a lying wintroll. It worked for Smarti and Ray and
>> >> ... "flawlessly".
>>
>> > Poor Hadron Larry Snot Quark
>>
>> > That wasn't about something "not working". It was about the *looks* of
>> > Ubuntu and *if* it might worsen usability
>>
>> ...it was also about something that is TRIVIAL to change.
>>
>> While this certainly might pose a problem for the common n00b that's trying
>> out a copy of Linux for the first time, it's not such a big deal for anyone
>> else.
>
> That's exactly my point. Besides having been widely protested by
> Ubuntu's current user base, this change could be awkward enough to
> hinder the migration of new users. If Adobe were serious about
> supporting desktop Linux, they'd be as vendor-neutral as possible.

....there's no reason they couldn't use an Oracle/vmware/Loki style
Installshield type installer rather than a "package". OTOH, companies
like Skype and Opera seem to be able to manage providing proper
packages. It seems that you can do it either way without too much
bother.

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