Making all DD members of the team by default

Raphael Hertzog · External Since: May 28, 2005 Posts: 534

Hello,

this mail is crossposted to two mailing lists. Please reply only to the one
that concerns you (perl or python team).

The collab-maint project gives write access to all DD by default using
ACL (see man setfacl and getfacl).
$ getfacl /svn/collab-maint/
[...]
group:Debian:rwx
[...]
default:group:Debian:rwx

I believe the perl and python team would benefit from using similar ACL
so that any DD who wishes to integrate his packages in the team can do so
without requesting access that we'll grant him anyway. We expect DD to be
educated and to ask before messing up if they're not sure of what
they're doing. In most cases, they'll figure it by themselves because
the available documentation hopefully directed them correctly. Smile

This also let NMUer integrate their NMU in the VCS directly if they so
wish.

As an Alioth admin, I can add those ACL. However I'd like to have your
opinion and agreement first.

Cheers,

PS: If you know other teams that would be interested, feel free to suggest
them and direct them to alioth admins (admin@alioth.debian.org) to get the
ACL added.
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Michael Ablassmeier · External Since: Nov 24, 2004 Posts: 832

hi guys,

On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 08:28:05PM +0200, Xavier Oswald wrote:
> It seems to be a good idea. For my part, I agree to give write access to all DD
> by default. I have see that lot of DD are mintaining perl modules alone and not
> with the pkg-perl team so it would be great to have more perl modules maintained
> by our team to improve as much as possible perl modules quality.

i like the idea aswell. I have been thinking about fixing some bugs in packages
the perl team maintains several times in the past already, aswell as moving my
packages over to the SVN repository, just didn't want to ask/wait for commit
access (and, well probably also been too lazy to ask Wink

).

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Joachim Breitner · External Since: Nov 09, 2004 Posts: 258

Hi,

sounds good, at least as long people still get in touch with us on the
list somewhat.

Would it be possible that DDs can add themselves to the group? Then weâ€™d
still have a list of members, which is better than a â€œyou can commit but
you donâ€™t have to announce that you careâ€œ scheme.

But Iâ€™m not against it...

Greetings,
Joachim

Am Donnerstag, den 26.07.2007, 16:02 +0200 schrieb Raphael Hertzog:
> Hello,
>
> this mail is crossposted to two mailing lists. Please reply only to the one
> that concerns you (perl or python team).
>
> The collab-maint project gives write access to all DD by default using
> ACL (see man setfacl and getfacl).
> $ getfacl /svn/collab-maint/
> [...]
> group:Debian:rwx
> [...]
> default:group:Debian:rwx
>
> I believe the perl and python team would benefit from using similar ACL
> so that any DD who wishes to integrate his packages in the team can do so
> without requesting access that we'll grant him anyway. We expect DD to be
> educated and to ask before messing up if they're not sure of what
> they're doing. In most cases, they'll figure it by themselves because
> the available documentation hopefully directed them correctly. Smile

>
> This also let NMUer integrate their NMU in the VCS directly if they so
> wish.
>
> As an Alioth admin, I can add those ACL. However I'd like to have your
> opinion and agreement first.
>
> Cheers,
>
> PS: If you know other teams that would be interested, feel free to suggest
> them and direct them to alioth admins (admin@alioth.debian.org) to get the
> ACL added.
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>
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Damyan Ivanov · External Since: May 28, 2006 Posts: 96

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- -=| Raphael Hertzog, 26.07.2007 17:02 |=-
> As an Alioth admin, I can add those ACL. However I'd like to have your
> opinion and agreement first.

I think that this is a good idea.

If/when that ACP is added, please announce that on d-d-a, including the
recommendation to subscribe to debian-perl DeleteThis @lists.debian.org and/or
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Raphael Hertzog · External Since: May 28, 2005 Posts: 534

Hi,

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> sounds good, at least as long people still get in touch with us on the
> list somewhat.

Sure. There's no way to enforce it, but we should just recommend it.

> Would it be possible that DDs can add themselves to the group? Then we'd
> still have a list of members, which is better than a "you can commit but
> you don't have to announce that you care" scheme.

This is not currently possible with Gforge. And I doubt someone is
motivated enough to make a patch just for this reason. Smile

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Gunnar Wolf · External Since: Nov 12, 2004 Posts: 200

Raphael Hertzog dijo [Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 04:02:53PM +0200]:
> Hello,
>
> this mail is crossposted to two mailing lists. Please reply only to the one
> that concerns you (perl or python team).
>
> The collab-maint project gives write access to all DD by default using
> ACL (see man setfacl and getfacl).
> $ getfacl /svn/collab-maint/
> [...]
> group:Debian:rwx
> [...]
> default:group:Debian:rwx
>
> I believe the perl and python team would benefit from using similar ACL
> so that any DD who wishes to integrate his packages in the team can do so
> without requesting access that we'll grant him anyway. We expect DD to be
> educated and to ask before messing up if they're not sure of what
> they're doing. In most cases, they'll figure it by themselves because
> the available documentation hopefully directed them correctly. Smile

> (...)

Just for the record: I completely agree as well. Thanks!

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Raphael Hertzog · External Since: May 28, 2005 Posts: 534

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hello,
>
> this mail is crossposted to two mailing lists. Please reply only to the one
> that concerns you (perl or python team).

This warning is still valid. Smile

> As an Alioth admin, I can add those ACL. However I'd like to have your
> opinion and agreement first.

Both projects agreed and I just added the ACL. It would be great if some
people could update the respective documentation of each project to share
this information.

It has been noted that when a DD gets highly involved in the team, he
should nevertheless be added to the Alioth project. Non-DD who are looking
for sponsors can then better identify them and that way we keep a list of
"core-members".

We'll also publicize this change in debian-devel-announce later (either in
a Bits of Alioth or in a more generic mail, we'll see).

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Damyan Ivanov · External Since: May 28, 2006 Posts: 96

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- -=| Raphael Hertzog, 4.08.2007 17:54 |=-
> Both projects agreed and I just added the ACL.

Thanks!

> It would be great if some
> people could update the respective documentation of each project to share
> this information.

I gave this a try. Feel free to cluebat me if some improvement is needed.
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Raphael Hertzog · External Since: May 28, 2005 Posts: 534

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007, Damyan Ivanov wrote:
> > It would be great if some
> > people could update the respective documentation of each project to share
> > this information.
>
> I gave this a try. Feel free to cluebat me if some improvement is needed.

Sorry, but where? I tried to look, but didn't find any change.

Also:
$ ls -al /home/groups/pkg-perl/htdocs
total 108
drwxrwsr-x 3 scm-gforge pkg-perl 4096 2007-08-06 16:31 .
drwxrwsr-x 5 scm-gforge pkg-perl 4096 2007-06-23 11:28 ..
-rw-rw-r-- 1 deepak-guest pkg-perl 2220 2004-06-09 16:00 announcement.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 deepak-guest pkg-perl 4941 2004-06-09 16:00 cvs.txt
[...]
-rw-rw-r-- 1 deepak-guest pkg-perl 570 2006-09-26 12:22 TODO

Why are so many files owned by deepak-guest? I'd suggest making the website a
real checkout of file:///svn/pkg-perl/website and not a simple copy so that we
can check easily if the files match with the repository.

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