List of (un)sponsored packages on Mentors (approximate)

Kumar Appaiah · External Since: Aug 24, 2005 Posts: 50

(Cross posted to debian-devel, debian-mentors)
Dear Debian developers,

I have written a few crude and rudimentary scripts to find an
approximate list of packages which have been or have _not_ been
sponsored despite an RFS to debian-mentors.

The program generates bad output if the RFS mailer has not given the
package name right after the first "RFS" in the subject, that too,
with a space etc., but it's a start, and gives you the idea.

Also, the list is a HTML page, with every package having a link. The
link points to the RFS message in the Debian Mentors archive.

See it at:
http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~ee03b091/Mentors/output.html

The scripts I wrote for this are at:
http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~ee03b091/Mentors/mentors-sponscheck.tar.bz2

The README in the tarball explains my methodology and the problems in
it.

The Python + BeautifulSoup program is inefficient and inelegant. But I
have spent quite some time in getting it this far. So, if someone
wants to improve it, please do so; I'd be happy.

Many thanks to Gurkan Sengun, Christoph Haasand Sune Vuorela to
inspire me to write this. Hope it's useful.

Thanks!

Kumar
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Christoph Haas · External Since: Feb 17, 2005 Posts: 187

On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 07:37:13PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> Hi,
> * Kumar Appaiah <akumar.TakeThisOut@ee.iitm.ac.in> [2007-07-22 19:26]:
> > (Cross posted to debian-devel, debian-mentors)
> > Dear Debian developers,
> >
> > I have written a few crude and rudimentary scripts to find an
> > approximate list of packages which have been or have _not_ been
> > sponsored despite an RFS to debian-mentors.
> >
> > The program generates bad output if the RFS mailer has not given the
> > package name right after the first "RFS" in the subject, that too,
> > with a space etc., but it's a start, and gives you the idea.
> >
> > Also, the list is a HTML page, with every package having a link. The
> > link points to the RFS message in the Debian Mentors archive.
> [...]
> Thanks for your work! But basically you do work that already
> had been done by mentors.debian.net. Ok not everyone is
> using this service but it would be good if they would.

Kumar and I talked on IRC and I wondered how many of the RFS'd packages
get actually uploaded. mentors.debian.net recognizes when an uploaded
package gets sponsored but so far I was too lazy to implement proper
statistics at that point. Even then it would only measure packages that
used mentors.debian.net as an intermediate repository.

The actual discussion came up when we talked about whether the current
GR on non-DDs with upload permissions is good or bad for Debian. And we
agreed that Debian lacks a lot of packages just because the poor package
maintainer (tm) didn't find a sponsor in time.

Cheers
Christoph

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Kumar Appaiah · External Since: Aug 24, 2005 Posts: 50

On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 07:37:13PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> [...]
> Thanks for your work! But basically you do work that already
> had been done by mentors.debian.net. Ok not everyone is
> using this service but it would be good if they would.

Ah, you get beaten in the race quite often! Wink

> I also see a problem in missing descriptions for the RFS.
> Sure it would be not very efficient to download the message
> from the archive and parse them but browsing a huge list of
> non-descriptive names is somehow bad.

You are probably right. But I don't think this is meant to be
incorporated into the mentors portal as such. It was merely to provide
an indication of which packages did get sponsored at least once, and
which didn't. Also, I shared the news since people on #debian-mentors
also thought it'd be good to provide this info to debian-devel.

Thanks!

Kumar
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Ondrej Certik · External Since: Aug 24, 2006 Posts: 29

> The actual discussion came up when we talked about whether the current
> GR on non-DDs with upload permissions is good or bad for Debian. And we
> agreed that Debian lacks a lot of packages just because the poor package
> maintainer (tm) didn't find a sponsor in time.

Yes, that is the most difficult part. I think it would also help, if
there was some official repository for unnoficial packages, so that I
(as non-DD) could just upload my package to mentors (which I can now)
and then just add the "deb" line (not just "deb-src") into
sources.list and could easily use all packages from mentors (at least
on i386). Because now everyone has it's own private repository, which
I find very unfortunate.

Ondrej

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Daniel Leidert · External Since: Feb 12, 2005 Posts: 273

Am Sonntag, den 22.07.2007, 21:01 +0200 schrieb Ondrej Certik:

[..]
> I think it would also help, if
> there was some official repository for unnoficial packages, so that I
> (as non-DD) could just upload my package to mentors (which I can now)
> and then just add the "deb" line (not just "deb-src") into
> sources.list and could easily use all packages from mentors (at least
> on i386). Because now everyone has it's own private repository, which
> I find very unfortunate.

mentors.d.o was a binary archive some time ago. You can check the
archives for the reasons, why they stopped this service (and why they
are now only providing the sources - mainly because of the bandwith
IIRC). Every new effort for such a service will probably have the same
"issues".

Regards, Daniel

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Asheesh Laroia · External Since: Jul 12, 2005 Posts: 65

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Ondrej Certik wrote:

>> The actual discussion came up when we talked about whether the current
>> GR on non-DDs with upload permissions is good or bad for Debian. And we
>> agreed that Debian lacks a lot of packages just because the poor
>> package maintainer (tm) didn't find a sponsor in time.
>
> Yes, that is the most difficult part. I think it would also help, if
> there was some official repository for unnoficial packages, so that I
> (as non-DD) could just upload my package to mentors (which I can now)
> and then just add the "deb" line (not just "deb-src") into sources.list
> and could easily use all packages from mentors (at least on i386).
> Because now everyone has it's own private repository, which I find very
> unfortunate.

I find it easy enough to do:

$ sudo apt-get update
$ apt-src -bi install $package

apt-src will then "install" the source of the package into the current
working directory, then "b"uild it, and then "i"nstall the resulting
binaries.

This works just fine for me with the deb-src mentors line.

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Ondrej Certik · External Since: Aug 24, 2006 Posts: 29

> I find it easy enough to do:
>
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ apt-src -bi install $package
>
> apt-src will then "install" the source of the package into the current
> working directory, then "b"uild it, and then "i"nstall the resulting
> binaries.

Thanks for the tip. This is actually very comfortable and works on all
architectures. I'll be using it from now on.

Could this tip please be put into [1] or [2]?

Ondrej

[1] http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/maintainer-intro
[2] http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/qanda

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Frank Küster · External Since: Dec 08, 2005 Posts: 263

Kumar Appaiah <akumar DeleteThis @ee.iitm.ac.in> wrote:

> Also, the list is a HTML page, with every package having a link. The
> link points to the RFS message in the Debian Mentors archive.
>
> See it at:
> http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~ee03b091/Mentors/output.html

I fear there are some false positives. For example, dblatex is listed,
the RFS refers to version 0.1.8, but etch has 0.2-2.

Regards, Frank
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Bart Martens · External Since: Apr 17, 2006 Posts: 315

On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 09:30 +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> Kumar Appaiah <akumar.RemoveThis@ee.iitm.ac.in> wrote:
>
> > Also, the list is a HTML page, with every package having a link. The
> > link points to the RFS message in the Debian Mentors archive.
> >
> > See it at:
> > http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~ee03b091/Mentors/output.html
>
> I fear there are some false positives. For example, dblatex is listed,
> the RFS refers to version 0.1.8, but etch has 0.2-2.

Here's also a list of packages needing a sponsor.
http://people.debian.org/~bartm/borg/needssponsor.html

This list shows only packages
- sitting at Mentors,
- with a newer version at Mentors than in Debian unstable,
- with an ITP or ITA.

So this list does not include packages with RFS messages on
debian-mentors.

Regards,

Bart Martens

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Raphael Geissert · External Since: May 05, 2007 Posts: 20

On 26/07/07, Kumar Appaiah <akumar.TakeThisOut@ee.iitm.ac.in> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 07:50:49PM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote:
> > Your title= tagging has unfortunately barfed on my name, due
> > to the "TBBle" in it causing the quoted string to terminate
> > early.
>
> Well, I don't think this page is necessary anymore, since better
> options to check this are available (courtesy this thread). So, don't
> bother too much; that page is going away in a while! Smile

He was talking about Bart's page.
I've made some changes to your script in order to improve it's results.
The modified script can be downloaded from here:
http://files.myopera.com/atomo64/files/mentors_comp.py
and the results generated by the modified script:
http://files.myopera.com/atomo64/files/output.test.html

I've also modified it so it doesn't show the 'handled' RFS'.

>
> Kumar
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> Kumar Appaiah,
> 462, Jamuna Hostel,
> Indian Institute of Technology Madras,
> Chennai - 600 036
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Ondrej Certik · External Since: Aug 24, 2006 Posts: 29

> I find it easy enough to do:
>
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ apt-src -bi install $package
>
> apt-src will then "install" the source of the package into the current
> working directory, then "b"uild it, and then "i"nstall the resulting
> binaries.
>
> This works just fine for me with the deb-src mentors line.

Unfortunately, there is a problem with this approach: when the binary
package depends on some packages, that I don't have on my system, the
dpkg will refuse to install it and I need to apt-get those packages by
hand and then install it again. This should be fully automatic though,
but it isn't.

Ondrej

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