Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM! PATHETIC!!!!

Davorin Vlahovic · External Since: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 301

On 2007-08-03, alexti <QQalextiQQ DeleteThis @sfs.dfsdf> wrote:
> Davorin Vlahovic <nrubA DeleteThis @ylf.krs.ref.rh> wrote in
> news:slrnfb6cbi.66o.nrubA@afrodita.home.lan:
>
>>
>> User software _should_ _not_ even be aware on what hardware it runs on.
>> That's why people developed OSes and APIs to create familiar layer for
>> regular programmers (API) and software (ABI) to rely on.
>>
>> There are exactly two reasons why regular sw crashes depending on
>> different hw:
>>
>> - it runs on top of faulty abstraction layer
>> - the programmer found a way to circumvent abstraction layer and
>> did something he shouldn't have.
> I would disagree that those are the only reasons. From my practice, the
> following are much more common:
> (a) software uses uninitialised memory;
> (b) software uses unallocated memory;
> (c) software uses unallocated *and* uninitialised memory.
> Those are really good methods to make the program have strange and
> unexplicable behaviour on different configurations.
>
> (b) can probably be considered as a particular case of your second reason
> though.

Please note the "depending on different hw".

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What a strange game.
The only winning move is not to play.

How about a nice game of chess?

Peter KÃ¶hlmann · External Since: Jun 27, 2005 Posts: 1500

Davorin Vlahovic wrote:

> On 2007-08-03, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @googlemail.com> wrote:
>> What is this "true emulator" to which you refer?
>>
>> Wine was originally "Windows Emulator". Open your mind a little.
>
> Are you aware that your sole argument is "a guy said it is an emulator"?
>

You know, it *has* to be true, since it supports the argument of the "true
linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X
specialist", "CUPS guru" and "hardware maven" Hadron Quark

And he will staunchly ignore that *if* it is true, then WinNT also uses
an "emulator". Even several, for different types of win-apps

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Law of Probable Dispersal:
Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.

DanKegel · External Since: Jun 18, 2007 Posts: 3

On Aug 3, 11:20 am, Hadron <hadronqu... DeleteThis @googlemail.com> wrote:
> WINE is and was an emulator. Not a HW one, not an opcode simulator, but
> it *emulates* the Windows system calls. It really is.

You guys take names too seriously! Oh, wait, I see this thread
is crossposted to *.advocacy. I'm not surprised anymore.
Anybody who posts in *.advocacy is an idiot (oh, wait... Smile

The guys who say "wine is not an emulator" mean "wine isn't
a hardware emulator that lets you boot windows, and therefore
it doesn't require you to boot up, nor does it require a windows
license,
and it doesn't keep the windows files in a place you
can't get at easily; instead,
it provides implementations of each windows syscall,
and lets you store your files alongside your unix files."
(At least the good ones do.)

The post earlier in the thread about "small minded pedants" hit the
nail on the head.

Ho, hum, back to triaging wine problem reports...
- Dan

Tim Smith · External Since: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 2610

In article <1186237510.138115.110610 RemoveThis @e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
DanKegel <daniel.r.kegel RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Ho, hum, back to triaging wine problem reports...
> - Dan

If you are the same Dan Kegel who wrote that great article on the C10K
problem, then let me say that is one of the most useful things I've come
across on the web. Thanks! (Especially since it looks like you've been
keeping it up-to-date...something that far too few people do when they
manage to write something great about the current state of a technology).

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--Tim Smith

alexti · External Since: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 2

Davorin Vlahovic <nrubA.TakeThisOut@ylf.krs.ref.rh> wrote in
news:slrnfb8d9j.3br.nrubA@afrodita.home.lan:

> On 2007-08-03, alexti <QQalextiQQ.TakeThisOut@sfs.dfsdf> wrote:
>> Davorin Vlahovic <nrubA.TakeThisOut@ylf.krs.ref.rh> wrote in
>> news:slrnfb6cbi.66o.nrubA@afrodita.home.lan:
>>
>>>
>>> User software _should_ _not_ even be aware on what hardware it runs
>>> on. That's why people developed OSes and APIs to create familiar
>>> layer for regular programmers (API) and software (ABI) to rely on.
>>>
>>> There are exactly two reasons why regular sw crashes depending on
>>> different hw:
>>>
>>> - it runs on top of faulty abstraction layer
>>> - the programmer found a way to circumvent abstraction layer and
>>> did something he shouldn't have.
>> I would disagree that those are the only reasons. From my practice,
>> the following are much more common:
>> (a) software uses uninitialised memory;
>> (b) software uses unallocated memory;
>> (c) software uses unallocated *and* uninitialised memory.
>> Those are really good methods to make the program have strange and
>> unexplicable behaviour on different configurations.
>>
>> (b) can probably be considered as a particular case of your second
>> reason though.
>
> Please note the "depending on different hw".
Yep, different hardware is very useful to make content of uninitialised
memory more random.

CoinSpin · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 3

"Davorin Vlahovic" <nrubA DeleteThis @ylf.krs.ref.rh> wrote in message
news:slrnfb8d83.3br.nrubA@afrodita.home.lan...
| On 2007-08-03, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @googlemail.com> wrote:
| > What is this "true emulator" to which you refer?
| >
| > Wine was originally "Windows Emulator". Open your mind a little.
|
| Are you aware that your sole argument is "a guy said it is an emulator"?
|

There's a bit of a difference between "a guy" saying it, and "the guys who
came up with the idea and created the program" saying it... Besides, the
problem has become the semantics between everyone's different views of how
to define an emulator, not the program itself anymore... To some it will be
an emulator, to others it won't. You say tomato, I say BOWLING SHOES!

CoinSpin

DanKegel · External Since: Jun 18, 2007 Posts: 3

On Aug 4, 8:28 am, Tim Smith <reply_in_gr....TakeThisOut@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> If you are the same Dan Kegel who wrote that great article on the C10K
> problem, then let me say that is one of the most useful things I've come
> across on the web. Thanks! (Especially since it looks like you've been
> keeping it up-to-date...

Yes. And it's not really up to date. There are some cool things going
on I haven't gotten around to documenting there Sad

Hadron · External Since: Jul 17, 2007 Posts: 305

Kier <vallon.RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> writes:

> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:58:16 +0100, Gerry Quinn wrote:
>
>> [Followups restored, including followups to the morons' newsgroup, also
>> known as comp.sys.linux.advocacy.
>
> No it isn't, it's known ONLY as comp.os.linux.advocacy. If you're going to
> insult COLA, at least be accurate.

Stop being such a shining little apologist. COLA is know as a loony bin
in the real Linux world. Just read a few of Mark Kent's posts to see
why.

"COLA - hindering Linux advocacy is the name of the game."