Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM! PATHETIC!!!!

pc games · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 1

Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM!
Simply PATHETIC!

STEAM represents everything Linux fights against
STEAM is PROPRIETARY, Linux is Open Standards
STEAM is RESTRICTIVE, Linux gives FREEDOM
STEAM is EXPENSIVE, Linux is AFFORDABLE
STEAM is MONOPOLISTIC, Linux gives CHOICE and creates COMPETITION
STEAM represents DICTATORSHIP, Linux represents true DEMOCRACY
STEAM is the "Windows", and Valve the "Microsoft" of PC Games and
yet...
YET Linux users are CRYING like Babies cause TYRANT RUTHLESS DICTATOR
VALVE will not make a Linux version of STEAM!
PATHETIC!
PATHETIC!
PATHETIC!

So the conclusion is clear many Linux users are as DUMB, BLIND and
SHEEP like Windows users are.

Now if STEAM is stopping Linux users from running PC Games under
Linux, which I find totally expected cause leaving out and restricting
is precisely what STEAM does best, the only thing to do is join what
I've been doing since 2004, FIGHT AGAINST TYRANT VALVE and its
DICTATORSHIP PRISON STEAM!

PS: Now if you will use the fact I'm using Windows against me, let me
make this clear, my natural and obvious choice would always be Linux I
just don't use it cause I'm a PC Gamer and Linux is not enough Gaming
platform for me, so again I ask everyone working in the Linux market
to once and for all turn it also into a strong viable gaming platform
so many of us can finally leave Windows and join you, and no I'm not
talking about emulations I'm talking about a true optimized gaming
platform, I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to
turn it into a great gaming platform!

magnate · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 1

On Jul 31, 10:02 am, FoolsGold <f....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> pc games wrote:
> > STEAM represents everything Linux fights against
> > STEAM is PROPRIETARY, Linux is Open Standards
> > STEAM is RESTRICTIVE, Linux gives FREEDOM
> > STEAM is EXPENSIVE, Linux is AFFORDABLE
> > STEAM is MONOPOLISTIC, Linux gives CHOICE and creates COMPETITION
> > STEAM represents DICTATORSHIP, Linux represents true DEMOCRACY
> > STEAM is the "Windows", and Valve the "Microsoft" of PC Games and
> > yet...
> > YET Linux users are CRYING like Babies cause TYRANT RUTHLESS DICTATOR
> > VALVE will not make a Linux version of STEAM!
> > PATHETIC!
> > PATHETIC!
> > PATHETIC!
>
> People want games on Linux. Most (all?) commercial games are
> closed-source. You'll never have commercial games on Linux if you're an
> open-source zealot who won't accept compromise, which is why the desire
> to see Steam on Linux is fairly strong, since most people are reasonable.

I'm dangerously close to agreeing with pcgames here. There are
hundreds of games which run perfectly under linux, thousands more
which run perfectly in DosBox, and still more which run with varying
degrees of success under WINE.

I confess to being a bit of an open-source zealot, but even trying to
put that to one side I really don't see the need for Steam. Surely the
issue is that people want their favourite new games to run under
Linux, not that they want to be able to d/l and install them using
Steam?? The lobby for porting games I can understand much more easily,
but I don't see what a Linux Steam client would do for anybody. It
wouldn't make any of the games work any better than they do already.

Personally I already have more games than I will ever be able to play,
even if I never boot into Windows again. But if I wanted more games to
be available, I would want native Linux versions in shiny boxes with
nice manuals. Steam is neither here nor there.

I'd just like to end this post with the disclaimer that I still think
pc games is a complete plonker, even though I feel uncomfortably close
to his position on this one.

CC

Quaestor · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 1

magnate wrote:

>I'm dangerously close to agreeing with pcgames here.
>

*plonk*

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CoinSpin · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 3

"pc games" <pcgamer23708.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185871091.808720.227080@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
| Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM!
| Simply PATHETIC!
|
<snip>
|
| PS: Now if you will use the fact I'm using Windows against me, let me
| make this clear, my natural and obvious choice would always be Linux I
| just don't use it cause I'm a PC Gamer and Linux is not enough Gaming
| platform for me, so again I ask everyone working in the Linux market
| to once and for all turn it also into a strong viable gaming platform
| so many of us can finally leave Windows and join you, and no I'm not
| talking about emulations I'm talking about a true optimized gaming
| platform, I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to
| turn it into a great gaming platform!
|

And yet... If STEAM was available for Linux users, it would encourage
development of gaming on that platform... And how would you suggest that
the developers that may decide to move to Linux protect themselves from
piracy?

It's never as black and white as you see it in your head, PC... There's so
much gray in the world.

CoinSpin

chrisv · External Since: Nov 02, 2004 Posts: 1798

Quaestor wrote:

>magnate wrote:
>
>>I'm dangerously close to agreeing with pcgames here.
>
>*plonk*

Hehe...

Davorin Vlahovic · External Since: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 305

On 2007-07-31, pc games <pcgamer23708 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM!
> Simply PATHETIC!

aburn {afrodita}[~] $apt-cache search steam
steam - Environment for cooperative knowledge management
steam-lib - Environment for cooperative knowledge management (libs)

'nuff said.
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The only winning move is not to play.

How about a nice game of chess?

WDS · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 2

On Jul 31, 11:24 am, waterskidoo <water.ski... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Linux from a technical aspect is an excellent gaming platform however
> with the exception of a few of the big games like Quake, gaming
> under Linux is well behind Windows. As Linux becomes more popular
> the game companies will begin writing Linux versions of their catalog.
> The potential performance increases under Linux would certainly make
> this worthwhile.

The gaming companies don't care a bit about that. They look at one
thing, how many copies am I going to sell (i.e., how much money will I
rake in) compared to the cost of producing those copies? Right now
that is marginal at best for games for Macs and non-existant for
Linux. And actually, the action right now is in console games because
the money is better.

dapunka · External Since: Jun 11, 2007 Posts: 126

On 31 Jul, 19:58, WDS <B... RemoveThis @seurer.net> wrote:
> On Jul 31, 11:24 am, waterskidoo <water.ski... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Linux from a technical aspect is an excellent gaming platform however
> > with the exception of a few of the big games like Quake, gaming
> > under Linux is well behind Windows. As Linux becomes more popular
> > the game companies will begin writing Linux versions of their catalog.
> > The potential performance increases under Linux would certainly make
> > this worthwhile.
>
> The gaming companies don't care a bit about that. They look at one
> thing, how many copies am I going to sell (i.e., how much money will I
> rake in) compared to the cost of producing those copies? Right now
> that is marginal at best for games for Macs and non-existant for
> Linux. And actually, the action right now is in console games because
> the money is better.

Yes... Linux home users generally use software that's free (as in
beer), which is no good to the games software manufacturers. And, as
has been pointed out many times before (but never by me, until now),
hardcore gamers generally use consoles for gaming.

Please not my use of the word "generally" in the above paragraph. I
am wildly and dangerously generalising, and will have someone's eye
out with that thing if I'm not careful*

* paraphrasing King Harold's last words at Hastings.

Tim O · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 2

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:38:11 -0700, pc games <pcgamer23708.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM!
>Simply PATHETIC!

Linux users don't matter because Linux is a dead OS for gaming.
It had a very brief heydey when id, Epic and even Activision offered
serious support, but its now basically an afterthought or not even a
consideration.

Once again, PCGames beats around the bush trying to incite some kind
of controversy over nothing. His interest in Linux is because its
free, just like his shitty dial-up internet connection that won't
support any downloadable content.

Ivan Marsh · External Since: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 438

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:38:11 -0700, pc games wrote:

> I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to turn it into a
> great gaming platform!

My Linux systems make money, not polygons.

Go buy a PS2.

Tim O · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 2

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:51:59 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed DeleteThis @you.now>
wrote:

>My Linux systems make money, not polygons.

Counterfieting? What software recreates the best $100's?

Ivan Marsh · External Since: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 438

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:06:42 -0400, Tim O wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:51:59 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed.RemoveThis@you.now>
> wrote:
>
>>My Linux systems make money, not polygons.
>
> Counterfieting? What software recreates the best $100's?

'Bout Da' Benjamins 2.5

Roy Schestowitz · External Since: Jun 26, 2005 Posts: 26147

____/ pc games on Tuesday 31 July 2007 09:38 : \____

> Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM!
> Simply PATHETIC!
>
> STEAM represents everything Linux fights against
> STEAM is PROPRIETARY, Linux is Open Standards
> STEAM is RESTRICTIVE, Linux gives FREEDOM
> STEAM is EXPENSIVE, Linux is AFFORDABLE
> STEAM is MONOPOLISTIC, Linux gives CHOICE and creates COMPETITION
> STEAM represents DICTATORSHIP, Linux represents true DEMOCRACY
> STEAM is the "Windows", and Valve the "Microsoft" of PC Games and
> yet...
> YET Linux users are CRYING like Babies cause TYRANT RUTHLESS DICTATOR
> VALVE will not make a Linux version of STEAM!
> PATHETIC!
> PATHETIC!
> PATHETIC!
>
> So the conclusion is clear many Linux users are as DUMB, BLIND and
> SHEEP like Windows users are.
>
> Now if STEAM is stopping Linux users from running PC Games under
> Linux, which I find totally expected cause leaving out and restricting
> is precisely what STEAM does best, the only thing to do is join what
> I've been doing since 2004, FIGHT AGAINST TYRANT VALVE and its
> DICTATORSHIP PRISON STEAM!
>
> PS: Now if you will use the fact I'm using Windows against me, let me
> make this clear, my natural and obvious choice would always be Linux I
> just don't use it cause I'm a PC Gamer and Linux is not enough Gaming
> platform for me, so again I ask everyone working in the Linux market
> to once and for all turn it also into a strong viable gaming platform
> so many of us can finally leave Windows and join you, and no I'm not
> talking about emulations I'm talking about a true optimized gaming
> platform, I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to
> turn it into a great gaming platform!

A main concern in this revolt had something to do with the fact that Linux
users helped make Steam attractive. As often is the case, contributions come
from the open source community. It's natural to expect some minimal gesture in
return (and no, not a middle finger, but a thumbs up).

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CoinSpin · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 3

"Hadron" <hadronquark.DeleteThis@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:qhps28e7rp.fsf@googlemail.com...
| waterskidoo <water.skidoo.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> writes:
|

<snip>

|
| What are these potential performance increases of which you speak?
|
| The last benchmarks I saw, saw DirectX under XP crucifying OpenGL under
| Linux in the framerate stakes. Which is not surprising since the games
| companies put a lot more effort into optimising Dx support structures
| than they for OpenGL since that's where the money is.
|

And the last benchmarks I saw showed OpenGL under Linux with some of the new
unified shader video cards brutalizing DX10 under Vista... But hell, that's
not hard, most games run faster under XP than Vista (unless of course you
are using proprietary Vista hardware/software combinations not available in
XP, yah I know, extinguish the flames before they start). The point is that
MS is releasing bloatware OS packages that keep getting more and more
bloated, while Linux keeps the overhead minimized...

But most people will never know or care because MS has done a great job of
cornering the market when it comes to a PC operating system, which means
that if you want to make money you program towards the platforms with the
most numbers - consoles and Windows. Can't see Linux ever getting through
the chokehold MS has on the market and getting out there as a true
mainstream platform without something pushing it there... A killer Linux
app, or something that would give it some appeal other than the "fun for the
enthusiast or tinkerer" moniker that it gets stuck with now.

It's just too bad... There is so much potential lurking there in Linux,
just waiting to be tapped.

CoinSpin

FoolsGold · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 3

pc games wrote:
> Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM!
> Simply PATHETIC!

I presume you're referring to this bru-ha-ha?

http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=79480

> STEAM represents everything Linux fights against
> STEAM is PROPRIETARY, Linux is Open Standards
> STEAM is RESTRICTIVE, Linux gives FREEDOM
> STEAM is EXPENSIVE, Linux is AFFORDABLE
> STEAM is MONOPOLISTIC, Linux gives CHOICE and creates COMPETITION
> STEAM represents DICTATORSHIP, Linux represents true DEMOCRACY
> STEAM is the "Windows", and Valve the "Microsoft" of PC Games and
> yet...
> YET Linux users are CRYING like Babies cause TYRANT RUTHLESS DICTATOR
> VALVE will not make a Linux version of STEAM!
> PATHETIC!
> PATHETIC!
> PATHETIC!

People want games on Linux. Most (all?) commercial games are
closed-source. You'll never have commercial games on Linux if you're an
open-source zealot who won't accept compromise, which is why the desire
to see Steam on Linux is fairly strong, since most people are reasonable.

> So the conclusion is clear many Linux users are as DUMB, BLIND and
> SHEEP like Windows users are.

You're generalizing again.

> Now if STEAM is stopping Linux users from running PC Games under
> Linux, which I find totally expected cause leaving out and restricting
> is precisely what STEAM does best, the only thing to do is join what
> I've been doing since 2004, FIGHT AGAINST TYRANT VALVE and its
> DICTATORSHIP PRISON STEAM!

You CAN run Steam in Linux, you just run it though Wine or Cedega. I've
tried it, the client works rather well after a few steps. The popular
stuff like Source/GoldSrc-based games work with varying levels of
success, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it for long-term use.

> PS: Now if you will use the fact I'm using Windows against me, let me
> make this clear, my natural and obvious choice would always be Linux I
> just don't use it cause I'm a PC Gamer and Linux is not enough Gaming
> platform for me, so again I ask everyone working in the Linux market
> to once and for all turn it also into a strong viable gaming platform
> so many of us can finally leave Windows and join you, and no I'm not
> talking about emulations I'm talking about a true optimized gaming
> platform, I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to
> turn it into a great gaming platform!

You're a hypocrite. STOP FUCKING GENERALIZING!

WDS · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 2

On Jul 31, 3:31 pm, waterskidoo <water.ski... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2007-07-31, WDS <B... DeleteThis @seurer.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The gaming companies don't care a bit about that. They look at one
> > thing, how many copies am I going to sell (i.e., how much money will I
> > rake in) compared to the cost of producing those copies? Right now
> > that is marginal at best for games for Macs and non-existant for
> > Linux. And actually, the action right now is in console games because
> > the money is better.
>
> Sad but true. I pretty much agree with you and the other person
> who says it's a catch-22.

I don't blame the companies. The whole point of a company (well, most
of them) is to make money for their investors. I've love to see
certain games on certain platforms but I would never invest in
them. Sad

Christopher Hunter · External Since: Jul 08, 2007 Posts: 67

Benjamin Gawert wrote:

>> and still more which run with varying
>> degrees of success under WINE.
>
> With usually a lot of fiddling and with very limited performance.

It's funny to see the astonished looks on the faces of Windows users when
you show them multiple instances of their favourite games all running
simultaneously on the sides of a 3D cube, when their over-priced, over
specified Windows computer can only (just) manage one instance!

It's funny how each newer, shinier, "better" version of Windows
actually /worsens, the user's experience!

C.

Zank Frappa · External Since: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 1

Christopher Hunter wrote:
> It's funny to see the astonished looks on the faces of Windows users when
> you show them multiple instances of their favourite games all running
> simultaneously on the sides of a 3D cube, when their over-priced, over
> specified Windows computer can only (just) manage one instance!

If you're talking 3D games I'd love to see that myself, u got a link?

> It's funny how each newer, shinier, "better" version of Windows
> actually /worsens, the user's experience!

Hmm, I'll give you Windows ME and maybe Vista (too early to tell but it
certainly looks that way right now). Most other versions of Windows
fared ok in that regard.

Christopher Hunter · External Since: Jul 08, 2007 Posts: 67

Ivan Marsh wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:38:11 -0700, pc games wrote:
>
>> I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to turn it into a
>> great gaming platform!
>
> My Linux systems make money, not polygons.
>
> Go buy a PS2.

*Well* *said!*

C.

waterskidoo · External Since: Jul 10, 2007 Posts: 308

On 2007-07-31, WDS <Bill DeleteThis @seurer.net> wrote:
>
> The gaming companies don't care a bit about that. They look at one
> thing, how many copies am I going to sell (i.e., how much money will I
> rake in) compared to the cost of producing those copies? Right now
> that is marginal at best for games for Macs and non-existant for
> Linux. And actually, the action right now is in console games because
> the money is better.

Sad but true. I pretty much agree with you and the other person
who says it's a catch-22.