Me too no like new KDE (Slack 13)

Ron Gibson · External Since: Oct 07, 2009 Posts: 4

I just rapidly installed 13 on a spare partition.

From what I see so far I'll be sticking with 12.2 unless there are
some tricks to get back to a fast moving desktop. The default makes XP
look like a rocket ship :=(

First off for years I've did a "Launch Pager" and kept it up top so I
can rapidly switch between desktops.

I can't see a way to do this with this version. Am I missing some
setting option?

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Leonard the Committed · External Since: Nov 18, 2006 Posts: 9

> First off for years I've did a "Launch Pager" and kept it up top so I
> can rapidly switch between desktops.
>
> I can't see a way to do this with this version. Am I missing some
> setting option?

There's a bunch of little idiosyncracies in KDE 4.x I will also stick
with 3.x for the time being, 4 really runs slow on my box.

Aaron W. Hsu · External Since: Aug 10, 2009 Posts: 15

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:36:14 -0400, Ron Gibson <rsgibson.RemoveThis@tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:

> I just rapidly installed 13 on a spare partition.
>
> From what I see so far I'll be sticking with 12.2 unless there are
> some tricks to get back to a fast moving desktop. The default makes XP
> look like a rocket ship :=(

The file indexer in the version of KDE that Slackware has shipped is known
to consume massive amounts of RAM and use lots of processing cycles.
Turning that off can greatly improve performance.

> First off for years I've did a "Launch Pager" and kept it up top so I
> can rapidly switch between desktops.

If you just want a desktop page, add a new bar and position it in the top
right, with only the pager widget inside of it.

Aaron W. Hsu

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Ron Gibson · External Since: Oct 07, 2009 Posts: 4

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:47:26 -0400, "Aaron W. Hsu"
<arcfide RemoveThis @sacrideo.us> wrote:

>The file indexer in the version of KDE that Slackware has shipped is known
>to consume massive amounts of RAM and use lots of processing cycles.
>Turning that off can greatly improve performance.

It's starting to shape up pretty good now. I think the biggest thing
they messed up on, IMHO, is they sort of ran out of steam coding the
configuration tools.

I've turned off all the animation stuff, set up one of my more agile
jpg's for wallpaper, set window behavior to CDE, and set the overall
theme to an old version of KDE.

Three things still bugging me

1) No text on TTY's once KDE is started. This problem does not happen
when I use startxfce4.

2) When I use mc in a console it comes up in a nearly unreadable color
scheme.

3) This one almost seems to silly to believe - For the life of me I
can not figure how to create a folder on the desktop. I use folders to
group often used applications and group them by type, like Video,
Utilities, Games, etc.

>> First off for years I've did a "Launch Pager" and kept it up top so I
>> can rapidly switch between desktops.

>If you just want a desktop page, add a new bar and position it in the top
>right, with only the pager widget inside of it.

Yeah I got that one but the darn thing is huge. The pager in previous
iterations was resizable. I also can not find the hotkey for special
window settings.

I'm just about to the point now where I can start adding stuff to
really stress test it. If it handles a few lingering problems I've had
on the back burner then these few niggles will be worth putting up
with.

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Aaron W. Hsu · External Since: Aug 10, 2009 Posts: 15

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:26:55 -0400, Ron Gibson <rsgibson.TakeThisOut@tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:

> 1) No text on TTY's once KDE is started. This problem does not happen
> when I use startxfce4.

I assume that you have turned off Compiz? I'm not sure what would cause
this, as usually this is a Driver issue or a misconfiguration of X.

> 2) When I use mc in a console it comes up in a nearly unreadable color
> scheme.

You should probably try editing the color scheme for Konsole. The default
may or may not be very suitable for your eyes.

> 3) This one almost seems to silly to believe - For the life of me I
> can not figure how to create a folder on the desktop. I use folders to
> group often used applications and group them by type, like Video,
> Utilities, Games, etc.

You may be interested in the Folder View widget. Add that from the Desktop
Widget menu icon and you can configure it to display any folder on the
Desktop. I think the Desktop folder is the default folder in the widget.

>>> First off for years I've did a "Launch Pager" and kept it up top so I
>>> can rapidly switch between desktops.
>
>> If you just want a desktop page, add a new bar and position it in the
>> top
>> right, with only the pager widget inside of it.
>
> Yeah I got that one but the darn thing is huge. The pager in previous
> iterations was resizable. I also can not find the hotkey for special
> window settings.

I just ried this, and I didn't add a new bar, but just used the little
widget tear drop in the upper right hand corner. I selected Add Widget,
chose the pager, and then i had a moveable pager. It started off rather
large, but when I moused over it (I was still editing what widgets I
wanted to add), there was a resize icon in the list, I held that and
dragged, and the pager shrank or enlarged according to my preference.

Aaron W. Hsu

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notbob · External Since: Jun 08, 2004 Posts: 792

On 2009-10-08, Ron Gibson <rsgibson.TakeThisOut@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> 2) When I use mc in a console it comes up in a nearly unreadable color
> scheme.

Is that a konsole console?

nb

Ron Gibson · External Since: Oct 07, 2009 Posts: 4

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:20 GMT, notbob <notbob DeleteThis @nothome.com> wrote:

>> 2) When I use mc in a console it comes up in a nearly unreadable color
>> scheme.

>Is that a konsole console?

Yeah. I bet I'm gonna have to muck with one of the X configuration
files in ~/ - I want the same behavior in a konsole as I get in a tty
because AFAIK the mc settings file doesn't distinguish where it's
launched from.

It's been a while since I had to do that and I'm in the wrong OS so I
can't recall the exact names of the files.

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notbob · External Since: Jun 08, 2004 Posts: 792

On 2009-10-09, Ron Gibson <rsgibson RemoveThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:20 GMT, notbob <notbob RemoveThis @nothome.com> wrote:
>
>>> 2) When I use mc in a console it comes up in a nearly unreadable color
>>> scheme.
>
>>Is that a konsole console?
>
> Yeah. I bet I'm gonna have to muck with one of the X configuration
> files in ~/ -

Nope! I already been down this road, last week. Turns out konsole has even more
colors in its schema menu than imagined on heaven and earth:

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/msg/74e324af302e263a?hl=en>

nb

Ron Gibson · External Since: Oct 07, 2009 Posts: 4

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:42:46 GMT, notbob <notbob RemoveThis @nothome.com> wrote:

>> Yeah. I bet I'm gonna have to muck with one of the X configuration
>> files in ~/ -

>Nope! I already been down this road, last week. Turns out konsole has even more
>colors in its schema menu than imagined on heaven and earth:

><http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/msg/74e324af302e263a?hl=en>

Thanx, I never would have figured that was what was needed to be done.
MC is my file manager of choice by far.

One down, two to go Smile

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notbob · External Since: Jun 08, 2004 Posts: 792

On 2009-10-09, Ron Gibson <rsgibson.TakeThisOut@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> Thanx, I never would have figured that was what was needed to be done.
> MC is my file manager of choice by far.

Yeah. Took me a week to track that turd down. Their default color
scheme screws up all the cli apps with a mode/menu bar. I couldn't
see anything in slrn and irssi with the default blk/grn schema.

Another PIA default I jes noticed in kde4.2 is that over-blinged
program menu requires you scroll up and down each sub-menu so the
cursor reveals exactly which appy you looking at. It only shows "image
viewer" until you scroll over it and it then pops up "gwenview" or
whatever. What freakin moron figured that was handy?

They oughtta fire half the KDE developers and shoot the other half and
start over from scratch.

nb

Aaron W. Hsu · External Since: Aug 10, 2009 Posts: 15

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:59:24 -0400, notbob <notbob.RemoveThis@nothome.com> wrote:

> What freakin moron figured that was handy?

I like it. It's useful to me. Smile

I identify the applications by their
icons and functions. When browsing, it is nice for me to see the function
first, and then i can compare the applications easily enough. Because the
icons allow me to identify the specific application, I don't lose any
immediate recognizability.

Aaron W. Hsu

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Grant · External Since: Feb 26, 2009 Posts: 22

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:59:24 GMT, notbob <notbob.RemoveThis@nothome.com> wrote:

>On 2009-10-09, Ron Gibson <rsgibson.RemoveThis@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanx, I never would have figured that was what was needed to be done.
>> MC is my file manager of choice by far.
>
>Yeah. Took me a week to track that turd down. Their default color
>scheme screws up all the cli apps with a mode/menu bar. I couldn't
>see anything in slrn and irssi with the default blk/grn schema.
>
>Another PIA default I jes noticed in kde4.2 is that over-blinged
>program menu requires you scroll up and down each sub-menu so the
>cursor reveals exactly which appy you looking at. It only shows "image
>viewer" until you scroll over it and it then pops up "gwenview" or
>whatever. What freakin moron figured that was handy?
>
>They oughtta fire half the KDE developers and shoot the other half and
>start over from scratch.

But they already did that to fix the busted(!) 3.5 and now you got this
version 4.x you're so much enjoying Wink

Grant.
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Sidney Lambe · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 20

On alt.os.linux.slackware, Ron Gibson <rsgibson.DeleteThis@tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:

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> 3) This one almost seems to silly to believe - For the life of
> me I can not figure how to create a folder on the desktop. I
> use folders to group often used applications and group them by
> type, like Video, Utilities, Games, etc.

"Folders"? What the hell are "folders"?

After a little googling: I see. He means "directories", and
the genius has figured out their basic function <snicker>.

Can someone as ignorant of Linux as this person is really be
taken seriously?

I'd send him back to Windows where he belongs in a jiff.

If it wasn't for the stupid GDEs he obviously wouldn't be
here at all.

[delete]

Sid

Old Man · External Since: Aug 11, 2009 Posts: 4

Sidney Lambe wrote:

> If it wasn't for the stupid GDEs he obviously wouldn't be
> here at all.

If it weren't for God's apparent fondness for the laughably absurd, you
would not be anywhere at all, so you might want to just stfu and contemplate
your true place in the universe.

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barnabyh · External Since: Aug 30, 2009 Posts: 9

Leonard the Committed wrote:
>> First off for years I've did a "Launch Pager" and kept it up top so I
>> can rapidly switch between desktops.
>>
>> I can't see a way to do this with this version. Am I missing some
>> setting option?
>
> There's a bunch of little idiosyncracies in KDE 4.x I will also stick
> with 3.x for the time being, 4 really runs slow on my box.
>

I've played around a bit with e17 in the last few days, for those who
want eye-candy this is much cooler IMO and still faster at the same time.
Or fvwm-crystal.

wexfordpress · External Since: Aug 11, 2009 Posts: 2

On Oct 10, 6:51 pm, barnabyh <inva....TakeThisOut@address.org> wrote:
> Leonard the Committed wrote:
> >> First off for years I've did a "Launch Pager" and kept it up top so I
> >> can rapidly switch between desktops.
>
> >> I can't see a way to do this with this version. Am I missing some
> >> setting option?
>
> > There's a bunch of little idiosyncracies in KDE 4.x I will also stick
> > with 3.x for the time being, 4 really runs slow on my box.
>
> I've played around a bit with e17 in the last few days, for those who
> want eye-candy this is much cooler IMO and still faster at the same time.
> Or fvwm-crystal.

The hidden jewel in Slack is xfce. It works more or less like KDE
3.5.
Installing apps on the bottom menu bar is a little different.
You need to right click on the bar, then choose Launcher, then fill in
the blanks as before.
Xfce has the coolest screensavers I have ever seen. No special tweaks
needed.
Xfce also runs under (or over) a Debian variant called Xubuntu.

But I must report that had KDE4 been halfway decent I would have used
that. But IMO
it is pretty awful. And I am not alone.

John C.

John Culleton

barnabyh · External Since: Aug 30, 2009 Posts: 9

wexfordpress wrote:

> The hidden jewel in Slack is xfce. It works more or less like KDE
> 3.5.
> Installing apps on the bottom menu bar is a little different.
> You need to right click on the bar, then choose Launcher, then fill in
> the blanks as before.
> Xfce has the coolest screensavers I have ever seen. No special tweaks
> needed.
> Xfce also runs under (or over) a Debian variant called Xubuntu.
>
> But I must report that had KDE4 been halfway decent I would have used
> that. But IMO
> it is pretty awful. And I am not alone.
>
> John C.
>
> John Culleton

True. And with all the nice icon themes around it can be made to look
even more like the old KDE.

barnabyh