Gentoo -- is it good?

flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:25:23 -0500, Linonut wrote:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> The Linux nutsacks post these things from time to time in order to blame
>> flatfish.
>> They all follow the same pattern.
>> And as usual, there is never any proof offered up.
>
> But, admit it -- you love the attention.

I don't care one way or the other, really.
Sometimes I ignore them, other times I point out their idiocy.
It depends upon my mood at the time.

Most of these nutsacks are one bit shy of lunacy.

Linonut · External Since: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 3492

After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Most of these nutsacks are one bit shy of lunacy.

I probably shouldn't feed you like this, but...

Since it isn't Lunix, it can't be lunacy...

It has to be ... linacy.

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A: Because he can.

yttrx · External Since: Sep 09, 2006 Posts: 1246

Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason DeleteThis @ncoldns.com> wrote:
> [snips]
>
> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:46:46 +0000, yttrx wrote:
>
>> Peter K?hlmann <peter.koehlmann DeleteThis @t-online.de> wrote:
>>> The racist, liar and software thief patty pippins (flatfish) nymshifted:
>>>
>>> < snip flatfish droppings >
>>>
>>> You lately nymshifted to
>
>>> Plus many, many, many more.
>>
>> You know, you say this a lot, but you've not come up with any solid
>> evidence about the vast majority of these.
>
> Is Patty actually flatty? Don't know for sure... but from the very first
> line, that was my gut feeling. It's a question, I think, of how the words
> in the post flow more than anything.
>

Unless flatty is on a windows 2000 machine in Mumbai, then it is not
flatty.

You know, it's really pretty pathetic everyone around here singing the
praises of an operating system which almost always includes tools to
figure things like that out in a few minutes--it took me 120 seconds,
not including the six second header perusal of the original post.

So yeah, it's not flatty--who A. does not use windows 2000 that I've
ever seen and B. is not in Mumbai, which you may recall by its previous
name of Bombay, which is in the state of Maharashtra in India.

-----yttrx

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Peter KÃ¶hlmann · External Since: Jun 27, 2005 Posts: 1500

yttrx wrote:

> Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason.TakeThisOut@ncoldns.com> wrote:
>> [snips]
>>
>> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:46:46 +0000, yttrx wrote:
>>
>>> Peter K?hlmann <peter.koehlmann.TakeThisOut@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>> The racist, liar and software thief patty pippins (flatfish)
>>>> nymshifted:
>>>>
>>>> < snip flatfish droppings >
>>>>
>>>> You lately nymshifted to
>>
>>>> Plus many, many, many more.
>>>
>>> You know, you say this a lot, but you've not come up with any solid
>>> evidence about the vast majority of these.
>>
>> Is Patty actually flatty? Don't know for sure... but from the very first
>> line, that was my gut feeling. It's a question, I think, of how the
>> words in the post flow more than anything.
>>
>
> Unless flatty is on a windows 2000 machine in Mumbai, then it is not
> flatty.
>
> You know, it's really pretty pathetic everyone around here singing the
> praises of an operating system which almost always includes tools to
> figure things like that out in a few minutes--it took me 120 seconds,
> not including the six second header perusal of the original post.
>
> So yeah, it's not flatty--who A. does not use windows 2000 that I've
> ever seen and B. is not in Mumbai, which you may recall by its previous
> name of Bombay, which is in the state of Maharashtra in India.
>

You forgot the "sarcasm" disclaimer
Flatfish uses open relays/proxies as standard mode of operation
--
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If it starts working, we'll fix it. Pronto.

yttrx · External Since: Sep 09, 2006 Posts: 1246

Peter K?hlmann <peter.koehlmann.RemoveThis@t-online.de> wrote:
> yttrx wrote:
>
>> Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason.RemoveThis@ncoldns.com> wrote:
>>> [snips]
>>>
>>> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:46:46 +0000, yttrx wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter K?hlmann <peter.koehlmann.RemoveThis@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>> The racist, liar and software thief patty pippins (flatfish)
>>>>> nymshifted:
>>>>>
>>>>> < snip flatfish droppings >
>>>>>
>>>>> You lately nymshifted to
>>>
>>>>> Plus many, many, many more.
>>>>
>>>> You know, you say this a lot, but you've not come up with any solid
>>>> evidence about the vast majority of these.
>>>
>>> Is Patty actually flatty? Don't know for sure... but from the very first
>>> line, that was my gut feeling. It's a question, I think, of how the
>>> words in the post flow more than anything.
>>>
>>
>> Unless flatty is on a windows 2000 machine in Mumbai, then it is not
>> flatty.
>>
>> You know, it's really pretty pathetic everyone around here singing the
>> praises of an operating system which almost always includes tools to
>> figure things like that out in a few minutes--it took me 120 seconds,
>> not including the six second header perusal of the original post.
>>
>> So yeah, it's not flatty--who A. does not use windows 2000 that I've
>> ever seen and B. is not in Mumbai, which you may recall by its previous
>> name of Bombay, which is in the state of Maharashtra in India.
>>
>
> You forgot the "sarcasm" disclaimer
> Flatfish uses open relays/proxies as standard mode of operation

Again, you've not ponied up any evidence to support that point, and
the machine that posted the original article was not an open relay
or proxy.

-----yttrx

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flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:21:16 +0000, yttrx wrote:

> Peter K?hlmann <peter.koehlmann.RemoveThis@t-online.de> wrote:
>> yttrx wrote:
>>
>>> Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason.RemoveThis@ncoldns.com> wrote:
>>>> [snips]
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:46:46 +0000, yttrx wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter K?hlmann <peter.koehlmann.RemoveThis@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>>> The racist, liar and software thief patty pippins (flatfish)
>>>>>> nymshifted:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> < snip flatfish droppings >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You lately nymshifted to
>>>>
>>>>>> Plus many, many, many more.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, you say this a lot, but you've not come up with any solid
>>>>> evidence about the vast majority of these.
>>>>
>>>> Is Patty actually flatty? Don't know for sure... but from the very first
>>>> line, that was my gut feeling. It's a question, I think, of how the
>>>> words in the post flow more than anything.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unless flatty is on a windows 2000 machine in Mumbai, then it is not
>>> flatty.
>>>
>>> You know, it's really pretty pathetic everyone around here singing the
>>> praises of an operating system which almost always includes tools to
>>> figure things like that out in a few minutes--it took me 120 seconds,
>>> not including the six second header perusal of the original post.
>>>
>>> So yeah, it's not flatty--who A. does not use windows 2000 that I've
>>> ever seen and B. is not in Mumbai, which you may recall by its previous
>>> name of Bombay, which is in the state of Maharashtra in India.
>>>
>>
>> You forgot the "sarcasm" disclaimer
>> Flatfish uses open relays/proxies as standard mode of operation
>
> Again, you've not ponied up any evidence to support that point, and
> the machine that posted the original article was not an open relay
> or proxy.
>
>
>
>
> -----yttrx

And he never will be able to because:

a. There is no evidence because:::
b. His claims are not true.

Roy Schestowitz · External Since: Jun 26, 2005 Posts: 24202

__/ [ Linonut ] on Tuesday 03 October 2006 12:15 \__

> After takin' a swig o' grog, patty pippins belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Our company finally decided to ditch windows and to switch all
>> our servers and desktops to "linux".
>
> patty pippins.

flatty flappin'?

> Sounds like a spammer name.

I am very doubtful myself. 24 hours and no followup from the OP. But wait...
many flames from Gary Stewart. That's a classic sock puppet routine...

flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:04:04 -0500, Linonut wrote:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Most of these nutsacks are one bit shy of lunacy.
>
> I probably shouldn't feed you like this, but...
>
> Since it isn't Lunix, it can't be lunacy...
>
> It has to be ... linacy.

Not bad...
Not bad at all,, Linonut!

c.baumstumpff · External Since: Oct 07, 2006 Posts: 1

Dear Patty,

You are asking a couple of very good questions.
I'm very glad you came here asking first.

patty pippins wrote:

> Our company finally decided to ditch windows and to switch all
> our servers and desktops to "linux".
> For best customizability and maximum speed we decided to go with
> "linux gentoo 2006.1".

That is a very common myth.
Factually, benchmarks have shown that Linux is 5 to 10 times
slower than Microsoft Windows or a professional Unix like AIX or
Solaris on comparable hardware.
If you absolutely must use Linux, I recomment Slackware for both
servers and desktops.
If not, please consider Solaris or Windows Vista.

> But being relatively new to "linux" I have a few questions.......
>
> 1. How easy is it to install foreign (=distribution neutral)
> software?

Complicated. Very complicated.
There are about 350+ different distributions of Linux, each one
incompatible with the other 349+.
Gentoo Linux is particulary bad here because it is run by a
bunch of college boys with no exposure to real world computing
needs.
This means commercial software supported on one of the certified
distributions (i.e. SUSE, Red Hat, Slackware) will almost never
run on Gentoo.
No ISV will certify their software on Gentoo because it is a
moving target that will be incompatible with itself from 2
months ago.

>
> 2. We have a lot of peripherals (printers, scanners, modems,
> professionl audio hardware, etc) will they all work?
> Installation disks only have Windows drivers.

If hardware vendors would have to support 350+ different
distributions in umphteen different versions, they would need
to bundle a LOT of driver disks.
If there is no support in the standard kernel, you need to
write a driver yourself.

>
> 3. While researching a video problem, I stumbled across this
> site
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42130#c4
>
>>From that site, it seems some applications in their repository
> have unclear copyright problems.
> Could we get into legal trouble if we install these two
> applications, "xserver", and "imake"?

Good thing you found that out before it was too late.
Unfortunately, there are a few members in the Linux community
who don't know the difference between right and wrong.
Some think it's OK to crack commercial software so they can run
it under wine, some think copyrighted pictures are free to use,
others think all open source software is in the public domain.
In the case you have discovered here, somebody is taking patches
from two people who are no longer active in the Linux community
(probably because they have high paying jobs in the windows
industry now) and hope they won't notice.
The second case is a particulary nasty one because from my
research it looks like they're misattributing the stolen code
to somebody living in a country where copyright violations
aren't illegal.
No doubt he will later donate it back to Gentoo.

>
> 4. How fast is "linux gentoo" fixing security problems?

Usually they don't fix anything in Gentoo.
Sometimes they will "mask" and later remove vulnerable software,
leaving their users hanging in the air.
Other times you are forced to switch to a newer version of the
same software, which will need a new version of some system
libraries, which will break other installed applications, a
never ending dependency hell.
The only way out is if you recompile your whole system at least
once, better twice per month.

>
> 5. How smooth are upgrades from one version of their OS to the
> next, say "2006.2"?

Rough. Very rough.
Since there are no two Gentoo systems with identical versions
of every installed software package, version numbers are
practically meaningless.

--
Clayton M. Baumstumpff, Unix/Linux/Windows expert

Mark Kent · External Since: Feb 09, 2005 Posts: 5545

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Linonut <linonut RemoveThis @bone.com> espoused:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> The Linux nutsacks post these things from time to time in order to blame
>> flatfish.
>> They all follow the same pattern.
>> And as usual, there is never any proof offered up.
>
> But, admit it -- you love the attention.
>

That's an interesting angle from Gary - he posts via an open-relay in
his usual style, gets caught instantly, as he usually is, and then tries
to claim that an /on-topic advocate/ would take the time to *pretend* to
be Gary/flatty, a well-known troll, in order to blame the troll? It's
not as if Gary doesn't troll here often - he does!

I've seen some amazing claims, but this is probably the silliest.

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Linonut · External Since: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 3492

After takin' a swig o' grog, c.baumstumpff RemoveThis @yahoo.com belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> That is a very common myth.
> Factually, benchmarks have shown that Linux is 5 to 10 times
> slower than Microsoft Windows or a professional Unix like AIX or
> Solaris on comparable hardware.

Looks like I /must/ flip the Bozo Bit on you.

> --
> Clayton M. Baumstumpff, Unix/Linux/Windows expert

Mr. Treestump, you're not even an expert in trolling.

--
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you never know when the steel bolts are going to spring out and
plunge straight through both cheeks.

Peter KÃ¶hlmann · External Since: Jun 27, 2005 Posts: 1500

The racist, liar and software thief c.baumstumpff (flatfish) nymshifted:

< snip flatfish droppings >

You really should stop replying to yourself, flatfish

And just leave that open relay in bangkok alone, will you?
--
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Mark Kent · External Since: Feb 09, 2005 Posts: 5545

begin oe_protect.scr
Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlmann.RemoveThis@t-online.de> espoused:
> The racist, liar and software thief c.baumstumpff (flatfish) nymshifted:
>
>< snip flatfish droppings >
>
> You really should stop replying to yourself, flatfish
>
> And just leave that open relay in bangkok alone, will you?

You can imagine a whole gary stewart thread, can't you? Perhaps he'll
do one for us as a kind of leaving present. Bring out all his nyms for
just one posting each, to the last of his nyms - a sort of
linked-troll-list. I'm sure he could easily hit 100 postings on that,
without reusing a single nym, and without anyone else taking part. In
fact, why doesn't someone create a flatfish newsgroup?

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flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 07:37:02 +0100, Mark Kent wrote:

> begin oe_protect.scr
> Linonut <linonut.DeleteThis@bone.com> espoused:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> The Linux nutsacks post these things from time to time in order to blame
>>> flatfish.
>>> They all follow the same pattern.
>>> And as usual, there is never any proof offered up.
>>
>> But, admit it -- you love the attention.
>>
>
> That's an interesting angle from Gary - he posts via an open-relay in
> his usual style, gets caught instantly, as he usually is, and then tries
> to claim that an /on-topic advocate/ would take the time to *pretend* to
> be Gary/flatty, a well-known troll, in order to blame the troll? It's
> not as if Gary doesn't troll here often - he does!
>
> I've seen some amazing claims, but this is probably the silliest.

More totally unsubstantiated claims made by the Linux nutsacks.

Why not offer some proof once in a while instead of lies?

Linonut · External Since: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 3492

After takin' a swig o' grog, c.baumstumpff.DeleteThis@yahoo.com belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> As an ISV, we would have to make available separate versions
> linked against libfoo.so.4 and libfoo.so.5. If they later decide
> to drop libbar.so.7 in favor of libbar.so.8, that's already
> four possibilities. And don't forget incompatible changes during
> the lifetime of the same major so-version. Some people have major
> system libs linked against libstdc++5, other people have the same
> libs linking to libstdc++6. Some libraries differ depending
> on what "USE" flags were active when they were built. I could
> probably go on for hours; the number of possibilites is simply much
> too large to be even remotely manageble. In short, every customer
> would need their own custom binary, which may stop working at any
> "world" update.

Just static-link if you think it is an issue.

How the hell do you think firefox works?

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Peter KÃ¶hlmann · External Since: Jun 27, 2005 Posts: 1500

Linonut wrote:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, c.baumstumpff.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com belched out this bit
> o' wisdom:
>
>> As an ISV, we would have to make available separate versions
>> linked against libfoo.so.4 and libfoo.so.5. If they later decide
>> to drop libbar.so.7 in favor of libbar.so.8, that's already
>> four possibilities. And don't forget incompatible changes during
>> the lifetime of the same major so-version. Some people have major
>> system libs linked against libstdc++5, other people have the same
>> libs linking to libstdc++6. Some libraries differ depending
>> on what "USE" flags were active when they were built. I could
>> probably go on for hours; the number of possibilites is simply much
>> too large to be even remotely manageble. In short, every customer
>> would need their own custom binary, which may stop working at any
>> "world" update.
>
> Just static-link if you think it is an issue.
>
> How the hell do you think firefox works?
>

Actually, flatfish has no point.
It is quite simple an outright lie when he claims that "libfoo.so.4 and
libfoo.so.5" can't co-reside. They can, and they can do well without
problems. This whole "incompatible libraries" setup is pure, unadultered
bullshit. In the absolute "worst* case you simply set some sym-links
manually, as practically all "libfoo.so.xx" are just symlinks to the real
library. Most of the time even "libfoo.so.4" and "libfoo.so.5" point to the
very *same* library. But just as well they can point to different ones

This is *not* windows DLL-hell, where you can have conflicts simply because
they have the same name. Remember, windows does not make any use of
symbolic links (as far as they are poorly implemented in windows). So it
has to use the *real* filename of the library. Linux practically never does

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Mac is for people who don't want to know why it works.
DOS is for people who want to know why it does not work.
Windows is for people who don't want to know why it does not work.

Gregory Shearman · External Since: Jun 30, 2004 Posts: 361

Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> Linonut wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, c.baumstumpff.DeleteThis@yahoo.com belched out this bit
>> o' wisdom:
>>
>>> As an ISV, we would have to make available separate versions
>>> linked against libfoo.so.4 and libfoo.so.5. If they later decide
>>> to drop libbar.so.7 in favor of libbar.so.8, that's already
>>> four possibilities. And don't forget incompatible changes during
>>> the lifetime of the same major so-version. Some people have major
>>> system libs linked against libstdc++5, other people have the same
>>> libs linking to libstdc++6. Some libraries differ depending
>>> on what "USE" flags were active when they were built. I could
>>> probably go on for hours; the number of possibilites is simply much
>>> too large to be even remotely manageble. In short, every customer
>>> would need their own custom binary, which may stop working at any
>>> "world" update.
>>
>> Just static-link if you think it is an issue.
>>
>> How the hell do you think firefox works?
>>
>
> Actually, flatfish has no point.
> It is quite simple an outright lie when he claims that "libfoo.so.4 and
> libfoo.so.5" can't co-reside. They can, and they can do well without
> problems. This whole "incompatible libraries" setup is pure, unadultered
> bullshit. In the absolute "worst* case you simply set some sym-links
> manually, as practically all "libfoo.so.xx" are just symlinks to the real
> library. Most of the time even "libfoo.so.4" and "libfoo.so.5" point to
> the very *same* library. But just as well they can point to different ones

Actually, Gentoo makes it rather trivial to fix broken library links because
of upgrades. The program is called "revdep-rebuild"

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The Ghost In The Machine · External Since: Aug 04, 2005 Posts: 3878

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Gregory Shearman
<ZekeGregory.RemoveThis@netscape.net>
wrote
on Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:55:55 +1000
<PX5Xg.17012$b6.171269@nasal.pacific.net.au>:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, c.baumstumpff.RemoveThis@yahoo.com belched out this bit
>>> o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> As an ISV, we would have to make available separate versions
>>>> linked against libfoo.so.4 and libfoo.so.5. If they later decide
>>>> to drop libbar.so.7 in favor of libbar.so.8, that's already
>>>> four possibilities. And don't forget incompatible changes during
>>>> the lifetime of the same major so-version. Some people have major
>>>> system libs linked against libstdc++5, other people have the same
>>>> libs linking to libstdc++6. Some libraries differ depending
>>>> on what "USE" flags were active when they were built. I could
>>>> probably go on for hours; the number of possibilites is simply much
>>>> too large to be even remotely manageble. In short, every customer
>>>> would need their own custom binary, which may stop working at any
>>>> "world" update.
>>>
>>> Just static-link if you think it is an issue.
>>>
>>> How the hell do you think firefox works?
>>>
>>
>> Actually, flatfish has no point.
>> It is quite simple an outright lie when he claims that "libfoo.so.4 and
>> libfoo.so.5" can't co-reside. They can, and they can do well without
>> problems. This whole "incompatible libraries" setup is pure, unadultered
>> bullshit. In the absolute "worst* case you simply set some sym-links
>> manually, as practically all "libfoo.so.xx" are just symlinks to the real
>> library. Most of the time even "libfoo.so.4" and "libfoo.so.5" point to
>> the very *same* library. But just as well they can point to different ones
>
> Actually, Gentoo makes it rather trivial to fix broken library links because
> of upgrades. The program is called "revdep-rebuild"
>

Not sure how trivial it is, mostly because things
*can* go wrong during rebuilds (I'm *still* fighting
a kde-multimedia issue but suspect a 4.1.1 compiler
incompatibility; it's a bleeding-edge thing and I don't
use kde all that much anyway).

But revdep-rebuild takes care of a lot of the issues,
the few times I need to worry about it. Not even close
to Win9x's variant of "DLL Hell".

Now if only Adobe would hurry up and get Flash 9 out... Smile

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hackr_d · External Since: Jun 15, 2006 Posts: 8

yttrx wrote:
> patty pippins <patty.pippins.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Our company finally decided to ditch windows and to switch all
> > our servers and desktops to "linux".
> > For best customizability and maximum speed we decided to go with
> > "linux gentoo 2006.1".
> > But being relatively new to "linux" I have a few questions.......
> >
>
> You're already mislead.
>
> Lots of things fit your needs of customizability. Gentoo makes a
> really great server and desktop for people *who know exactly what
> theyre doing*...for an office environment thats switching to linux
> from windows however, it's a very bad idea and will only generate
> lots of headaches.
>
> Also, compiling everything (gentoo style) is overrated these days.
> There was a time when computers were very slow by todays standards,
> so compilation for a specific processor architecture, say for PPC
> instead of x86, was a good idea. Today It doesn't matter.
>
> Debian for servers, SuSe for workstations. And RTFM. A lot.

Yeah. Even Slackware is pretty decent. Gentoo is nothing more than a
bootstrappable ports system. I've come to like it less in recent
years. The only reason I use it is that it's closer to Linux From
Scratch than anything I've come across. And I like how BSD has
everything in the base system situated in /usr, everything else in
/usr/local. In my opinion, that's how it should be. Also, most of the
software out there is written with Linux systems in mind anywho, so
there really should be no need for patches at all. Even on FreeBSD, I
rarely had problems getting software to compile straight from the
source tarball.

So I use Gentoo as a LFS but with ports. But even then, NetBSD's ports
system seems pretty decent, as does its init system. Gentoo is nothing
but a ports system with a Linux kernel which piles everything into /usr.

hackr_d · External Since: Jun 15, 2006 Posts: 8

ray wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:51:21 -0700, patty pippins wrote:
>
> > Our company finally decided to ditch windows and to switch all
> > our servers and desktops to "linux".
> > For best customizability and maximum speed we decided to go with
> > "linux gentoo 2006.1".
> > But being relatively new to "linux" I have a few questions.......
> >
>
>
> I have to second what another poster said. Gentoo is not good - it is
> great - assuming you know what you're doing.

Well, the portage system isn't bad. But compiling everything is pretty
pointless, ESPECIALLY when it comes to stuff like Open Office. I
really wouldn't want to rebuild OO everytime a minor security fix came
out. Speaking of OO --- I'm not really sure I like it. I tried KWord,
thinking it would be sufficient for my needs, but I didn't like how
long it took for the KDE stuff to compile. My next goal is to try
Gnome Office. I really did like Gnumeric.