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Dave Crosby External

Since: May 09, 2004 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 3:30 am Post subject: Non-Free Archived from groups: linux>debian>policy (more info?) |
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Sirs:
I operate a small business out of my home and have been using Red Hat
Software and have virtually disbanded all my Windoze machines. I hate
Microslop and have been very pleased to run my whole business under
Linux for about 4 years now. My Red Hat 7.1 systems are aging and
there are frequent library incompatibilities with new software packages
I download from the web so it was time for a change. I thought I'd try
a new Debian release.
Woody installed OK, but when I loaded the (binary) driver module for my
Belkin Network Card I got an error message that basically said the
driver module was a "non-free" piece and was not being linked into the
kernel for that reason. This is quite distressing. I bought a
different (major brand) network card and got the same result with that
driver. It appears that current debian policy is so radical about the
free/non-free issue that they have put a little facist policeman inside
of my box who is going to tell me what I can and cannot do.
I thought only the people from Redmond did that!
I'm hesitant to complain about this issue because I believe that people
who write software for free have the right to put out anything they
desire, users can just like it or lump it (or possibly change it).
If I had the skill (I almost do) to safely hack my kernel and/or
modutils to remove the little policeman, I'd do it, and share it with my
friends that may be having the same problem, but I'm not comfortable
enough with C yet to do it.
As a result of this no-linking of non-free software policy, my network
is unusable therefore the machine is unusable therefore I'm going back
to Red Hat which supports my network cards (both of 'em) just fine.
I wish I didn't have to, - I really like the debian distribution (except
for this problem). I like the Social contract (with clause #5 intact)
Dave Crosby
Everett Washington USA
(425) 347-2037
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Bas Zoetekouw External

Since: Nov 24, 2004 Posts: 286
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Non-Free [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: linux>debian>policy, others (more info?) |
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Hi Dave!
You wrote:
> Woody installed OK, but when I loaded the (binary) driver module for my
> Belkin Network Card I got an error message that basically said the
> driver module was a "non-free" piece and was not being linked into the
> kernel for that reason. This is quite distressing. I bought a
> different (major brand) network card and got the same result with that
> driver. It appears that current debian policy is so radical about the
> free/non-free issue that they have put a little facist policeman inside
> of my box who is going to tell me what I can and cannot do.
Are you talking about messages like this one?
"XXXXX: module license 'YYYYYY' taints kernel."
In that case, it's just a warning and the module itself should load
fine.
In case it's another message, could you please quote it in full?
PS: debian-policy is a list on which internal Debian policies are
discussed. Questions like this really belong on debian-devel.
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Chris Waters External

Since: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 51
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Non-Free [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: linux>debian>devel, others (more info?) |
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On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 12:19:28PM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
> Hi Dave!
> You wrote:
> > Woody installed OK, but when I loaded the (binary) driver module for my
> > Belkin Network Card I got an error message that basically said the
> > driver module was a "non-free" piece and was not being linked into the
> > kernel for that reason. This is quite distressing. [...]
> Are you talking about messages like this one?
> "XXXXX: module license 'YYYYYY' taints kernel."
> In that case, it's just a warning and the module itself should load
> fine.
More to the point, it's not a Debian message, it's a kernel message,
added by the kernel developers, and will appear with any recent Linux
distribution (Red Hat, SuSE, whatever) if you try to include non-free
(or just plain too-old) kernel modules. Basically, it means that if
you have problems with the kernel, the kerel developers (Linus, et
al.) will not help you unless you can reproduce the problems without
that module installed.
> In case it's another message, could you please quote it in full?
Even if it's another message, it's still nothing to do with Debian.
Debian does not and will not prevent people from running non-free
software, even though we neither recommend nor fully support it.
> PS: debian-policy is a list on which internal Debian policies are
> discussed. Questions like this really belong on debian-devel.
I would say that debian-user is more appropriate myself, but whatever.
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