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steve
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: (maybe FYI) power savings on old a7v333 desktop box
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Thanks to all who responded to the "best distro for old laptop"
thread . Useful info for me.

I decided to investigate power savings on my main box
(probably got a bit carried away) and the saga is on my website at

http://www.houseman.demon.co.uk/acpipage2

the box had a athlon 1.8 XP cpu and a7v333 mobo + radeon 9600 pro,
2 x ide drive and is on for ~15 hrs a day mainly at idle.

The things I investigated were acpi (no use) , a mobile cpu ,
cpufreq(powernow-k7) , reduced Vcore , and a low power graphics
card (ati 7500) . Also investigated different hard disk options .

from the note , the power used was :

original configuration (in X)
idle 126w
100% cpu 150w

config : mobile athlon 2000XP , powernow-k7 (ondemand) ,
radeon 9600 , Vcore = 1.5
idle 86w (f=534)
100% cpu 113w (f=1668)

new config : mobile athlon 2000XP , powernow-k7 (ondemand),
ati 7500 radeon mobility, Vcore=1.5
idle 72w (f=534)
100% cpu 99w (f=1668)

so savings of ~50w with mobile CPU, cpufreq , low power graphics,
and reduced Vcore (for mobile cpu).

and a summary :
- acpi per se did not do anything for me .
- the mobile processor uses much less power than the original athlon.
- the amd powernow (cpufreq) has made a significant saving of power .
- could not get the voltage part of the cpufreq to work, but the
mobile athlon had a base Vcore = 1.45 vs original 1.65 ,
and so set to 1.50 by mobo jumpers.
- dont know if the original athlon would have used powernow ie is it
possible that powernow works on standard (old) athlons ?
If I were starting again on this process, then I would check
that out.
- needed the create_fake_pst change for the powernow-k7.c code,
and to modify the table to match the processor I had.
- newer athlons use coolnquiet which presumably is at least as good as
powernow .
- ondemand governor had a small bug , but now runs fine.
- the load/unload ide drives could save power as could an
external hard drive (if turned off whne not in use).
- radeon 9600 used ~19w power, old 7500 has mobility gpu and uses ~5w
- a tft monitor could offer similar savings (~50w) over my
glass one, but cant really justify the cost for a similar
sized one (1600x1200) and the saving would be too long term.


On a totally different topic : have upgraded my strace annotator (stan),
to use STL containers instead of my own classes , and fixed some bugs .
As there was zero interest the last time, I aint expecting much
this time either , but I find it helps when reading strace output.
My main use of strace seems to be for debugging config problems , which
occur mainly on (re) install of linux or other major components ,
so use happens in occasional spurts. The last time, stan fell over
and I was motivated enough to try to fix it .

The main things it (stan) does are :

- track open/close/dup/fork etc and annotate what the fd used for
a read/write represents eg the filename for a file.
- tries to check process pipeline for execve cmd and display that
- attempts to detect failed searches for files , and flags that .

it makes checking an strace output file a bit easier, but need a wide
terminal to see it clearly.
The .bz2 file is on my website.

Hope the above is of interest to some one ... I had problems finding the
power saving info that I wanted when I started , so maybe it will help
some one else ... then again maybe not Smile

Cheers,

Steve

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currently steve at houseman demon co uk
http://www.houseman.demon.co.uk/
(nfs checklist, strace annotator, mobile a7v333,Eastleigh garage recommendation)
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Dave Pickles
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: (maybe FYI) power savings on old a7v333 desktop box [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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steve.TakeThisOut@jackass.woolacombe.lnx wrote:

> I decided to investigate power savings on my main box
> (probably got a bit carried away) and the saga is on my website at
>
> http://www.houseman.demon.co.uk/acpipage2
>
> the box had a athlon 1.8 XP cpu and a7v333 mobo + radeon 9600 pro,
> 2 x ide drive and is on for ~15 hrs a day mainly at idle.
>
> The things I investigated were acpi (no use) , a mobile cpu ,
> cpufreq(powernow-k7) , reduced Vcore , and a low power graphics
> card (ati 7500) . Also investigated different hard disk options .
{snip}

Another possibility worth looking at is Athcool, available in some distros
or direct from
http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/jacobi/linux/softwares.html#athcool.
Unlike the other power reduction methods, this only affects power
consumption when the CPU is idle, by putting it into a deeper-than-normal
sleep. In theory this results in increased interrupt latency, though I've
never had any problems. It's also user-mode code so ne need for kernel
hacking. This machine has an Athlon Mobile XP-M 2500+ CPU, and the idle
power consumption falls from 103W to 62W with Athcool running.

If your motherboard isn't supported by Athcool, there are links on that
page to other sites with information on poking the chipset directly.
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steve
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: (maybe FYI) power savings on old a7v333 desktop box [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Another possibility worth looking at is Athcool, available in some distros
> or direct from
> http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/jacobi/linux/softwares.html#athcool.
> Unlike the other power reduction methods, this only affects power
> consumption when the CPU is idle, by putting it into a deeper-than-normal
> sleep. In theory this results in increased interrupt latency, though I've
> never had any problems. It's also user-mode code so ne need for kernel
> hacking. This machine has an Athlon Mobile XP-M 2500+ CPU, and the idle
> power consumption falls from 103W to 62W with Athcool running.


Did not find this in my original searching ! Looks interesting , I will
take a look and investigate .

Thanks for the info,

Steve

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currently steve at houseman demon co uk
http://www.houseman.demon.co.uk/
(nfs checklist, strace annotator, mobile a7v333,Eastleigh garage recommendation)
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