FAQ and Primer for COLA, Edition III

Jim Richardson · External Since: Jan 15, 2005 Posts: 1227

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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:26:17 -0700,
Tim Smith <reply_in_group.DeleteThis@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <tkkju3-aik.ln1.DeleteThis@dragon.myth>,
> Jim Richardson <warlock.DeleteThis@eskimo.com> wrote:
>> Do you support Flatfish's mangling of the above URL, and then atributing
>> the words to another?
>
> I didn't see the attribution to another. I thought Roy was just upset
> at the mangling.
>

Go back and reread FF's post, he edited the URL that Roy gave, and left
the quoting characters in, to make it appear that the URL was from Roy.

So, having read the post, do you support FF's mangling of the URL and
then attributing the words to another?

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Peter KÃ¶hlmann · External Since: Jun 27, 2005 Posts: 1500

Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1.DeleteThis@dog.did.it>, rgc.DeleteThis@nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
> wrote:
>> >> http://www.faqs.orhg/faqs/linux/asdvocacy/faq-and-gprimer/
>> >
>> > This is not an official FAQ.
>>
>> What a shithole you are. For those that might use your followup
>> for the link here is the correct one:
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> Is there no depth you will stoop to?
>>
>> If there is anyone reading this newsgroup who needs further proof of
>> what a sad individual you are, look no further.
>
> How come you've never had the same complaint when the other Roy
> purposefully mangles links to make them non-working?
>

How come you claim so without any evidence? After all, Roy apologised when
posting a wrong URL
And how come you defend lowlife like flatfish? Are you Hadron Quark in
disguise?
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the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
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Jim · External Since: Apr 21, 2005 Posts: 996

cc came up with this when he headbutted the keyboard a moment ago in
comp.os.linux.advocacy:

>
> Linonut wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, cc belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>> > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> >> Tim Smith wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1.TakeThisOut@dog.did.it>, rgc.TakeThisOut@nodomain.none (Roy
Culley)
>> >>
>> >> How come you claim so without any evidence? After all, Roy apologised
>> >> when posting a wrong URL And how come you defend lowlife like
>> >> flatfish? Are you Hadron Quark in disguise?
>> >
>> > Not possible. Hadron Quark can't use a colon properly, and misuses it
>> > so badly that...
>>
>> He needs to talk to Nudds about colons.
>>
>> --
>> "Get the business! Get the business! Get the business!"
>> -- Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft
>
> Nudds don't get exciting! Linonut was just making a joke. There's a
> difference between the colons you love, and the colons Hadron abuses.
> [Someone make that obvious joke now]

ok.

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Hadron Quark · External Since: Sep 10, 2006 Posts: 1621

Tim Smith <reply_in_group DeleteThis @mouse-potato.com> writes:

> In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1 DeleteThis @dog.did.it>, rgc DeleteThis @nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
> wrote:
>> >> http://www.faqs.orhg/faqs/linux/asdvocacy/faq-and-gprimer/
>> >
>> > This is not an official FAQ.
>>
>> What a shithole you are. For those that might use your followup
>> for the link here is the correct one:
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> Is there no depth you will stoop to?
>>
>> If there is anyone reading this newsgroup who needs further proof of
>> what a sad individual you are, look no further.
>
> How come you've never had the same complaint when the other Roy
> purposefully mangles links to make them non-working?

Other Roy? LOL. They are the same.

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Hadron Quark · External Since: Sep 10, 2006 Posts: 1621

Tim Smith <reply_in_group.RemoveThis@mouse-potato.com> writes:

> In article <39eju3-mvi.ln1.RemoveThis@dog.did.it>, rgc.RemoveThis@nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
> wrote:
>> > That includes anti-Linux discussion. That is *why* the group was
>> > created--to get those arguments out of the technical Linux groups.
>>
>> Such reading comprehension difficulties Timmy. How sad
>
> You are confused as usual, Roy. Here was the first serious proposal to
> create COLA:

*snip* Expect no from Roy "Stats" on that one.

But here's one stat : Roy Culley will enter no argument that he doesnt
have home made figures to back him up with. And thats 98% accurate. Even
according to Roy.

flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

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Hadron Quark · External Since: Sep 10, 2006 Posts: 1621

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups RemoveThis @schestowitz.com> writes:

> __/ [ Roy Culley ] on Sunday 24 September 2006 19:42 \__
>
>> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
>> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what
>> this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this
>> newsgroup.
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
>>
>> The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
>>
>> For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
>> systems.
>>
>> That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
>> comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as
>> a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
>> betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
>> Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
>> more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does not
>> call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to gather
>> in order to discredit Linux.
>
> Excellent! Thanks, Roy.

me too!

Hadron Quark · External Since: Sep 10, 2006 Posts: 1621

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.TakeThisOut@schestowitz.com> writes:

> __/ [ Ray Cullenowitz ] on Sunday 24 September 2006 20:12 \__
>
>> Please trim posts when not needed to eliminate confusion. Thanks!
>>
>> - COLA LRT
>
> *Plonk* flatfish nym. You are becoming desparate, Gary.

Mark too!

How's the search engine going Roy?

I entered a question into your "fact based" engine today

"When will Linux rule the desktop"

The reply?

"Please enter question"

Hmmm. And that reminds me ....

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Linonut · External Since: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 3492

After takin' a swig o' grog, cc belched out this bit o' wisdom:

>
> Linonut wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, cc belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>> > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> >> Tim Smith wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1.TakeThisOut@dog.did.it>, rgc.TakeThisOut@nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
>> >>
>> >> How come you claim so without any evidence? After all, Roy apologised
>> >> when posting a wrong URL And how come you defend lowlife like
>> >> flatfish? Are you Hadron Quark in disguise?
>> >
>> > Not possible. Hadron Quark can't use a colon properly, and misuses it
>> > so badly that...
>>
>> He needs to talk to Nudds about colons.
>>
>> --
>> "Get the business! Get the business! Get the business!"
>> -- Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft
>
> Nudds don't get exciting! Linonut was just making a joke. There's a
> difference between the colons you love, and the colons Hadron abuses.
> [Someone make that obvious joke now]

Maybe Nudds is a colonel?

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Linonut · External Since: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 3492

After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:30:26 +0200, Hadron Quark wrote:
>
>> But here's one stat : Roy Culley will enter no argument that he doesnt
>> have home made figures to back him up with. And thats 98% accurate. Even
>> according to Roy.
>
> How true.
> And how pathetic!

Pathetic to enter an argument only if you have facts to back you up?

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Mathew P. · External Since: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 277

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On 2006-09-24, Roy Culley spake thusly:

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Flatfish spake thusly:

>> A FAQ written by a person who claimed people in
>> comp.os.linux.advocacy were out to get him and his family?

Actually, I don't recall MJCR ever made that particular claim,
although you will no doubt google up some interesting tidbit
that may or may not have anything to do with it.

FYI, MJCR didn't author the faq and wasn't in charge of steering
it. He approached many individuals in this group in e-mails
asking them what they thought of the idea, and many responded
with useful input. It was a collabortive effort.

By the way, I was here back then. I don't recall that you were.
This is noteable given the fact that your posts, if nothing
else are, well, memorable.

>> Yea right......
>>
>> Hey, it's just typical of linux.
>>
>> An unstable person writes a FAQ for an unstable operating system,
>> Linux////

Flatfish, you are just being silly and insulting now. It's
obvious to anyone who spends any time here, that we are *Linux*
advocates, and as such, believe in said operating system and it's
capabilities. So you maintain that unstable people are the only
people who can believe an operating system is capable and useful?
Do you believe Windows is a capable and useful operating system?

Roy Culley spake thusly:

> The FAQ was written by several people. Even though my name appears in
> it I made no contribution as far as what it contains.
>
> That aside it is quite a good document. Who authored it does not
> matter.

It is a good document. It took alot of effort and _significant_
time. and you are right. Content is far more important than
authorship.

Kenneth Downs and Terry Porter were significant contributors as were
many, many others. It took alot of effort and significant time. And
you are right. Content is far more important than authorship.

(Flatfish: when you google Ken and Terry, be sure to spell
their names right.)

Incidentally, Terry Porter wrote a good python script called ColaTroll
for ferreting out and identifying useful header information, and socks
of habitual trolls. It's no frills but very effective. Gee, sounds kind
of like using the command line.

I'll post it if I can find the archive. My computer room's a mess.

I wonder what ever happened to Terry, Ken and MJCR? I haven't seen
them in a *very* long time.

Regards,

Mathew

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Hadron Quark · External Since: Sep 10, 2006 Posts: 1621

"Mathew P." <Mathew.RemoveThis@COLA.com> writes:

> On 2006-09-24, Roy Culley spake thusly:
>
> --------------8<----------------
>
> Flatfish spake thusly:
>
>>> A FAQ written by a person who claimed people in
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy were out to get him and his family?
>
> Actually, I don't recall MJCR ever made that particular claim,
> although you will no doubt google up some interesting tidbit
> that may or may not have anything to do with it.
>
> FYI, MJCR didn't author the faq and wasn't in charge of steering
> it. He approached many individuals in this group in e-mails
> asking them what they thought of the idea, and many responded
> with useful input. It was a collabortive effort.
>
> By the way, I was here back then. I don't recall that you were.
> This is noteable given the fact that your posts, if nothing
> else are, well, memorable.
>
>>> Yea right......
>>>
>>> Hey, it's just typical of linux.
>>>
>>> An unstable person writes a FAQ for an unstable operating system,
>>> Linux////
>
> Flatfish, you are just being silly and insulting now. It's
> obvious to anyone who spends any time here, that we are *Linux*
> advocates, and as such, believe in said operating system and it's

Some are. Some are just geeks acting dogs with a bone.

> capabilities. So you maintain that unstable people are the only
> people who can believe an operating system is capable and useful?

He never said that in fairness.

> Do you believe Windows is a capable and useful operating system?
>

Its more "used", because there is better application SW for it : and, of
course, more companies use it.

But of course usefulness depends on who uses it. Linux is much more
useful for me as I dont play many games anymore.

Do you not think it would be more beneficial for people like Roy
Schestowitz to advocate Linux without twisting the truth and constantly
trying to paint MS blacker than night? Its truly pathetic and
encourages the trolls to mimic him and pull his chain a bit. His own
double standards are also his own undoing IMO.

> Roy Culley spake thusly:
>
>> The FAQ was written by several people. Even though my name appears in
>> it I made no contribution as far as what it contains.
>>
>> That aside it is quite a good document. Who authored it does not
>> matter.
>
> It is a good document. It took alot of effort and _significant_
> time. and you are right. Content is far more important than
> authorship.

If the two come together. Which is rare.

> I wonder what ever happened to Terry, Ken and MJCR? I haven't seen
> them in a *very* long time.

They work for MS :-;

I suspect they got tired of the "me too" lunatic fringe that is known as
the "COLA gang".

>
> Regards,
>
> Mathew
>
>
> ------------------------8<---------------------

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flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:55:09 +0000, Mathew P. wrote:

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> On 2006-09-24, Roy Culley spake thusly:
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> --------------8<----------------
>
> Flatfish spake thusly:
>
>>> A FAQ written by a person who claimed people in
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy were out to get him and his family?
>
> Actually, I don't recall MJCR ever made that particular claim,
> although you will no doubt google up some interesting tidbit
> that may or may not have anything to do with it.

Of course you don't.
Linux zealots always seem to forget things that make them look bad but
they always seem to be able to produce the same lies over and over again.

Look here.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/bc64c6e578019d77

The man was/is a paranoid nutcase.

chrisv · External Since: Nov 02, 2004 Posts: 1797

Oliver Wrong wrote:

>I'm just trying to be helpful,

Oh, you're "just" trying to be helpful, Wrong?

>and letting the Microsoft bashers know
>that Microsoft-bashing is offtopic in this newsgroup, and that if they wish
>to continue bashing Microsoft, there are newsgroups specifically set up or
>that purpose.

Well, thanks for the tip, Wrong. Now, I'll be helpful and inform you
that your M$ apologizing is off-topic in this group.

P.S. Micro$oft is evil.

Tim Smith · External Since: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 2707

In article <mdeku3-p43.ln1 RemoveThis @dragon.myth>,
Jim Richardson <warlock RemoveThis @eskimo.com> wrote:
> So, having read the post, do you support FF's mangling of the URL and
> then attributing the words to another?

Editing things marked as quoted (other than standard edits, like
replacing things with [...] and marking things with (sic)) is always
wrong. He should not have done that.

Mangling the URL in the quotes is wrong. He should not have done that.

If the URL had not been quoted, so the mangling was just to prevent
people from going to the references site, rather than to make it look
like someone else mangled it, then I think it is annoying, whether he
does it, or whether Roy S does it.

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Jim Richardson · External Since: Jan 15, 2005 Posts: 1227

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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:59:31 -0700,
Tim Smith <reply_in_group.DeleteThis@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <mdeku3-p43.ln1.DeleteThis@dragon.myth>,
> Jim Richardson <warlock.DeleteThis@eskimo.com> wrote:
>> So, having read the post, do you support FF's mangling of the URL and
>> then attributing the words to another?
>
> Editing things marked as quoted (other than standard edits, like
> replacing things with [...] and marking things with (sic)) is always
> wrong. He should not have done that.
>
> Mangling the URL in the quotes is wrong. He should not have done that.
>
> If the URL had not been quoted, so the mangling was just to prevent
> people from going to the references site, rather than to make it look
> like someone else mangled it, then I think it is annoying, whether he
> does it, or whether Roy S does it.
>

thanks for clearing that up. Appreciated

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Mark Kent · External Since: Feb 09, 2005 Posts: 5565

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Mathew P. <Mathew RemoveThis @COLA.com> espoused:
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> On 2006-09-24, Roy Culley spake thusly:
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> --------------8<----------------
>
> Flatfish spake thusly:
>
>>> A FAQ written by a person who claimed people in
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy were out to get him and his family?
>
> Actually, I don't recall MJCR ever made that particular claim,
> although you will no doubt google up some interesting tidbit
> that may or may not have anything to do with it.
>
> FYI, MJCR didn't author the faq and wasn't in charge of steering
> it. He approached many individuals in this group in e-mails
> asking them what they thought of the idea, and many responded
> with useful input. It was a collabortive effort.
>

It was. I was one of the contributors to the original version.

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flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:27:08 +0100, Mark Kent wrote:

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>> On 2006-09-24, Roy Culley spake thusly:
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>> --------------8<----------------
>>
>> Flatfish spake thusly:
>>
>>>> A FAQ written by a person who claimed people in
>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy were out to get him and his family?
>>
>> Actually, I don't recall MJCR ever made that particular claim,
>> although you will no doubt google up some interesting tidbit
>> that may or may not have anything to do with it.
>>
>> FYI, MJCR didn't author the faq and wasn't in charge of steering
>> it. He approached many individuals in this group in e-mails
>> asking them what they thought of the idea, and many responded
>> with useful input. It was a collabortive effort.
>>
>
> It was. I was one of the contributors to the original version.

Rewriting history again Kent?

Doesn't change a thing.
He is/was still a parnoid nutter.

Here's the proof:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/bc64c6e578019d77

Mark Kent · External Since: Feb 09, 2005 Posts: 5565

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William Poaster <wp RemoveThis @suseoss101.eu> espoused:
> This message was posted on Usenet, NOT JLAforums, & on Sun, 24 Sep 2006
> 20:42:46 +0200, Roy Culley wrote:
>
>> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
>> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what this
>> group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this newsgroup.
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
>>
>> The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
>>
>> For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
>> systems.
>>
>> That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
>> comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as
>> a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
>> betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
>> Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
>> more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does
>> not call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to
>> gather in order to discredit Linux.
>
> Ecellent job! Carry on, please. Smile

>

I fully agree. Please ensure that this linked is regularly posted.
Perhaps we should even consider an update?

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Roy Schestowitz · External Since: Jun 26, 2005 Posts: 26141

__/ [ Mark Kent ] on Monday 25 September 2006 23:27 \__

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> William Poaster <wp RemoveThis @suseoss101.eu> espoused:
>> This message was posted on Usenet, NOT JLAforums, & on Sun, 24 Sep 2006
>> 20:42:46 +0200, Roy Culley wrote:
>>
>>> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
>>> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what this
>>> group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this newsgroup.
>>>
>>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>>
>>> 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
>>>
>>> The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
>>>
>>> For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup
>>> as a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
>>> betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
>>> Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
>>> more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does
>>> not call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to
>>> gather in order to discredit Linux.
>>
>> Ecellent job! Carry on, please. Smile

>>
>
> I fully agree. Please ensure that this linked is regularly posted.
> Perhaps we should even consider an update?

Yeah, me too. (troll's flamebait)