FAQ and Primer for COLA, Edition III

Roy Culley · External Since: Aug 14, 2004 Posts: 647

I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what
this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this
newsgroup.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy

The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:

For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
systems.

That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as a
place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn more
about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does not call
for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to gather in order
to discredit Linux.

--
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

Roy Schestowitz · External Since: Jun 26, 2005 Posts: 24202

__/ [ Roy Culley ] on Sunday 24 September 2006 19:42 \__

> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what
> this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this
> newsgroup.
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>
> 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
>
> The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
>
> For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
> systems.
>
> That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
> comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as
> a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
> betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
> Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
> more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does not
> call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to gather
> in order to discredit Linux.

Excellent! Thanks, Roy.

Tim Smith · External Since: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 2610

In article <660ju3-r5g.ln1.DeleteThis@dog.did.it>, rgc.DeleteThis@nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
wrote:

> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what
> this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this
> newsgroup.
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>
> 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
>
> The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
>
> For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
> systems.

That includes anti-Linux discussion. That is *why* the group was
created--to get those arguments out of the technical Linux groups.

--
--Tim Smith

flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:42:46 +0200, Roy Culley wrote:

> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what
> this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this
> newsgroup.
>
> http://www.faqs.orhg/faqs/linux/asdvocacy/faq-and-gprimer/
>

This is not an official FAQ.

Ray Cullenowitz · External Since: Sep 24, 2006 Posts: 1

Please trim posts when not needed to eliminate confusion. Thanks!

- COLA LRT

Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> __/ [ Roy Culley ] on Sunday 24 September 2006 19:42 \__
>
> > I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
> > advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what
> > this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this
> > newsgroup.
> >
> > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
> >
> > 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
> >
> > The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
> >
> > For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
> > systems.
> >
> > That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
> > comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as
> > a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
> > betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
> > Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
> > more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does not
> > call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to gather
> > in order to discredit Linux.
>
> Excellent! Thanks, Roy.

cc · External Since: Oct 14, 2006 Posts: 422

Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Tim Smith wrote:
>
> > In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1 RemoveThis @dog.did.it>, rgc RemoveThis @nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
>
> How come you claim so without any evidence? After all, Roy apologised when
> posting a wrong URL
> And how come you defend lowlife like flatfish? Are you Hadron Quark in
> disguise?

Not possible. Hadron Quark can't use a colon properly, and misuses it
so badly that one must consider him a moron.

cc · External Since: Oct 14, 2006 Posts: 422

Linonut wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, cc belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
> > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> >> Tim Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1 DeleteThis @dog.did.it>, rgc DeleteThis @nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
> >>
> >> How come you claim so without any evidence? After all, Roy apologised
> >> when posting a wrong URL And how come you defend lowlife like
> >> flatfish? Are you Hadron Quark in disguise?
> >
> > Not possible. Hadron Quark can't use a colon properly, and misuses it
> > so badly that...
>
> He needs to talk to Nudds about colons.
>
> --
> "Get the business! Get the business! Get the business!"
> -- Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft

Nudds don't get exciting! Linonut was just making a joke. There's a
difference between the colons you love, and the colons Hadron abuses.
[Someone make that obvious joke now]

Linonut · External Since: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 3492

After takin' a swig o' grog, cc belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> Tim Smith wrote:
>>
>> > In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1 DeleteThis @dog.did.it>, rgc DeleteThis @nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
>>
>> How come you claim so without any evidence? After all, Roy apologised
>> when posting a wrong URL And how come you defend lowlife like
>> flatfish? Are you Hadron Quark in disguise?
>
> Not possible. Hadron Quark can't use a colon properly, and misuses it
> so badly that...

He needs to talk to Nudds about colons.

--
"Get the business! Get the business! Get the business!"
-- Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft

Roy Schestowitz · External Since: Jun 26, 2005 Posts: 24202

__/ [ Ray Cullenowitz ] on Sunday 24 September 2006 20:12 \__

> Please trim posts when not needed to eliminate confusion. Thanks!
>
> - COLA LRT

*Plonk* flatfish nym. You are becoming desparate, Gary.

Bobbie · External Since: Jun 27, 2006 Posts: 208

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:09:36 -0400, flatfish+++ wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:42:46 +0200, Roy Culley wrote:
>
>> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
>> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what
>> this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this
>> newsgroup.
>>
>> http://www.faqs.orhg/faqs/linux/asdvocacy/faq-and-gprimer/
>>
>
> This is not an official FAQ.

Nor are you a Linux advocate.

--
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http://members.shaw.ca/bobbie4/index.htm

email Bobbie @ bobbie4R3MOV3TH1S.DeleteThis@shaw.ca
remember to 'remove this'

Bobbie recently switched to Ubuntu 6.
Why? Cause he can, that's why.

William Poaster · External Since: Sep 10, 2006 Posts: 125

This message was posted on Usenet, NOT JLAforums, & on Sun, 24 Sep 2006
20:42:46 +0200, Roy Culley wrote:

> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what this
> group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this newsgroup.
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>
> 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
>
> The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
>
> For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
> systems.
>
> That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
> comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as
> a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
> betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
> Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
> more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does
> not call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to
> gather in order to discredit Linux.

Ecellent job! Carry on, please. Smile

--
Linux is not a desktop OS for people
whose VCRs are still flashing "12:00".
That eliminates a lot of wintrolls then.

Peter KÃ¶hlmann · External Since: Jun 27, 2005 Posts: 1500

Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <660ju3-r5g.ln1 DeleteThis @dog.did.it>, rgc DeleteThis @nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
> wrote:
>
>> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
>> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what
>> this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this
>> newsgroup.
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
>>
>> The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
>>
>> For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
>> systems.
>
> That includes anti-Linux discussion.

Nope. It would include cons of linux, as well as pros.
None fo the current widiots here (and that includes you as well) does any
honest "discussion"
Just look at the garbage flatfish, Hadron Quark or DFS spout day in, day
out. Not to mention your technical superwizard "Scott Nudds" (aka
linux_sux), whose most intelligent posts consists of "Shit-lickers". Then
Erik "FUDdingmuch" Funkenbusch, who is so extremely "honest" to attack Roy
because he did not cite from the original court-proceedings in the DLink
case. And then directly spouted complete nonsense about that very
judgement, himself devoid of *any* links to that case. Roys post was right,
BTW. Eriks post was bullshit from start to end

A really fine company the win-retards keep here

> That is *why* the group was
> created--to get those arguments out of the technical Linux groups.
>

Have you visited other linux groups lately? Flatfish invades them regularly
with his inane drivel, and "linux_sux" tried to annoy comp.os.linux.misc

Nope, The resident win-retards have often tried to troll in regular linux
groups as well. Just look at the crossposts flatfish for example likes so
very much: He often has comp.os.linux.misc or the SuSE groups in the
headers, even when one of those is a *german* speaking group.
He also includes the xp-group, home to Kadaitcha Toddler and his felchers
His latest "detours" into one of the "admin"-groups was not liked that much
by the regulars there
So, just spare us this bullshit about what you can post in cola to keep the
other groups "clean". It has not hindered this lowlife from simply ignoring
it
--
Like being presumed a thief and a liar before using a product?
If so, use M$ XP

Roy Culley · External Since: Aug 14, 2004 Posts: 647

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<QlDRg.3921$LF6.675@newsfe12.lga>,
flatfish+++ <flatfish DeleteThis @linuxmail.org> writes:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:42:46 +0200, Roy Culley wrote:
>
>> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
>> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly
>> what this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of
>> this newsgroup.
>>
>> http://www.faqs.orhg/faqs/linux/asdvocacy/faq-and-gprimer/
>
> This is not an official FAQ.

What a shithole you are. For those that might use your followup
for the link here is the correct one:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

Is there no depth you will stoop to?

If there is anyone reading this newsgroup who needs further proof of
what a sad individual you are, look no further.

--
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

Tim Smith · External Since: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 2610

In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1.RemoveThis@dog.did.it>, rgc.RemoveThis@nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
wrote:
> >> http://www.faqs.orhg/faqs/linux/asdvocacy/faq-and-gprimer/
> >
> > This is not an official FAQ.
>
> What a shithole you are. For those that might use your followup
> for the link here is the correct one:
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>
> Is there no depth you will stoop to?
>
> If there is anyone reading this newsgroup who needs further proof of
> what a sad individual you are, look no further.

How come you've never had the same complaint when the other Roy
purposefully mangles links to make them non-working?

--
--Tim Smith

flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

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flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:34:37 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1 RemoveThis @dog.did.it>, rgc RemoveThis @nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
> wrote:
>> >> http://www.faqs.orhg/faqs/linux/asdvocacy/faq-and-gprimer/
>> >
>> > This is not an official FAQ.
>>
>> What a shithole you are. For those that might use your followup
>> for the link here is the correct one:
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> Is there no depth you will stoop to?
>>
>> If there is anyone reading this newsgroup who needs further proof of
>> what a sad individual you are, look no further.
>
> How come you've never had the same complaint when the other Roy
> purposefully mangles links to make them non-working?

Exactly....

He also changes the subject lines so that negative to Linux titles won't
appear.

It's the COLA double standard at work...

Jim Richardson · External Since: Jan 15, 2005 Posts: 1227

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Tim Smith <reply_in_group.TakeThisOut@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <i6eju3-mvi.ln1.TakeThisOut@dog.did.it>, rgc.TakeThisOut@nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
> wrote:
>> >> http://www.faqs.orhg/faqs/linux/asdvocacy/faq-and-gprimer/
>> >
>> > This is not an official FAQ.
>>
>> What a shithole you are. For those that might use your followup
>> for the link here is the correct one:
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> Is there no depth you will stoop to?
>>
>> If there is anyone reading this newsgroup who needs further proof of
>> what a sad individual you are, look no further.
>
> How come you've never had the same complaint when the other Roy
> purposefully mangles links to make them non-working?
>

Do you support Flatfish's mangling of the above URL, and then atributing
the words to another?

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--
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don't give a
damn.

Tim Smith · External Since: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 2610

In article <tkkju3-aik.ln1 DeleteThis @dragon.myth>,
Jim Richardson <warlock DeleteThis @eskimo.com> wrote:
> Do you support Flatfish's mangling of the above URL, and then atributing
> the words to another?

I didn't see the attribution to another. I thought Roy was just upset
at the mangling.

--
--Tim Smith

Roy Culley · External Since: Aug 14, 2004 Posts: 647

begin risky.vbs
<reply_in_group-5A1C0B.14414724092006 RemoveThis @news.supernews.com>,
Tim Smith <reply_in_group RemoveThis @mouse-potato.com> writes:
> In article <660ju3-r5g.ln1 RemoveThis @dog.did.it>, rgc RemoveThis @nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
> wrote:
>
>> I will post this link weekly unless there is a consensus from Linux
>> advocates for me not to do so. The section below states clearly what
>> this group is for. The wintrolls clearly break the charter of this
>> newsgroup.
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
>>
>> The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
>>
>> For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
>> systems.
>
> That includes anti-Linux discussion. That is *why* the group was
> created--to get those arguments out of the technical Linux groups.

Such reading comprehension difficulties Timmy. How sad

--
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

Tim Smith · External Since: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 2610

In article <39eju3-mvi.ln1.RemoveThis@dog.did.it>, rgc.RemoveThis@nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
wrote:
> > That includes anti-Linux discussion. That is *why* the group was
> > created--to get those arguments out of the technical Linux groups.
>
> Such reading comprehension difficulties Timmy. How sad

You are confused as usual, Roy. Here was the first serious proposal to
create COLA:

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Path: gmd.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail
From: NEWCO....RemoveThis@AA.csc.Peachnet.EDU (Dan Newcombe)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: comp.os.linux.advocacy anyone?
Date: 9 Feb 1994 17:40:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Lines: 18
Sender: dae....RemoveThis@cs.utexas.edu
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.940209183926.320.RemoveThis@AA.csc.peachnet.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Seriously,

Maybe during the great split of 93 we should have created a
comp.os.linux.advocacy. Was this even suggested?

It would be a good place to
a) move the reoccuring DOS vs Windows vs Linux vs Joe vs the Volcano
wars.
b) a fun place to vent at the end of the day!!!

-Dan
--
Dan A. Newcombe Clayton State College
Computing Services Morrow, GA 30260
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The first proposed RFD was on Feb 14, 1994. It contained this summary
of the proposal:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summary: comp.os.linux.advocacy is to be an unmoderated group for the
discussion of the positive and negative sides of Linux and comparison
of Linux with other operating systems.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

and this was the explanation for the need for the group:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Recently on comp.os.linux.misc, there have been many debates of Linux
versus DOS, Windows, NeXTstep, and other operating systems. There have
been postings requesting that those discussions move to a
comp.os.linux.advocacy group. The creation of this group would leave
Linux-only and technical questions in the existing comp.os.linux.misc
and comp.os.linux.development groups, and move all inter-operating
system (and platform) discussions to this proposed group.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is how the charter was explained:
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CHARTER:
The proposed group will provide a forum for the discussion of Linux.
In addition, it will allow comp.os.linux.misc to deal with
Linux-specific issues. Discussion will include (but not be limited to)
the discussion of the pros and cons of Linux and appliactions for
Linux, and the comparison of Linux with other operating systems and
enviromnets such as Microsoft DOS and Windows, SCO UNIX, Coherent,
NeXTstep, Macintosh System, etc. It will be an unmoderated forum.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's the full RFD: <http://tinyurl.com/qnl2f>

The current charter is meant to be a one-line concise statement of the
same thing as that original charter.

While getting the above for you, I noticed I didn't see any posts by you
in COLM at the time COLA was being created, nor do I find any posts by
you in Linux groups, or mentioning Linux, until well after COLA was
created. Perhaps you should talk to people who were actually in the
relevant newsgroups in early 1994 before trying to tell those of us who
were there what was happening then.

--
--Tim Smith