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Tony Lawrence
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Eric Raymond tempted by Mac?
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(From http://aplawrence.com/MacOSX/sixty_four_bit.html ) :

"This analysis was conceived when the coauthors discovered we'd each
been independently seriously tempted to buy a Mac Mini, and realized
what that temptation implied."

....

"We can choose to fail. If we don't support the media formats that
contain the content users want to see, we lose the 64-bit desktop. It's
that simple. Doing nothing guarantees that we lose, probably to MacOS
X. "

Eric Steven Raymond and Rob Landley at World Domination 201 (
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html)

Well, Linux isn't really going to lose. Linux already is taking over
the server market, and that's probably going to continue: Apple doesn't
have much traction there and Microsoft is skidding as usual. I've said
before that a world of Linux servers and Mac desktops has a lot to
offer: the Unix underpinnings of both OSes complement each other
beautifully and would simplify support tasks enormously. That's a very
pretty picture from everyone's point of view: both unsophisticated and
highly technical users love Macs, the geeks in the server room have
their Linux servers but are quite comfortable with the Mac command line
because it's exactly the same as Linux, programmers have a very similar
environment and interfaces that work together well, and support folk
have a lot of knowledge cross-pollination. What's not to like?

I suggest that Eric and Rob give in to temptation and do what I do in
my home office: Linux servers and Mac desktops. It's an easy, painless
switch, and I actually think it could have benefits for Linux: if more
Linux programmers started concentrating on that Mac desktop/Linux
server model, it would hurt Microsoft and help strengthen both Linux
and Apple.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: Eric Raymond tempted by Mac? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I am sorry but Eric Raymond is a well recognized idiot.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Eric Raymond tempted by Mac? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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ginno.email.TakeThisOut@googlemail.com wrote:
> I am sorry but Eric Raymond is a well recognized idiot.


I think it is sad that you think so, You are hardly the only person to
express that sentiment.

I see him as someone caught in a trap: he sees threats to Linux that
seemingly cannot be countered. He's not stupid (quite the contrary)
and I think he is interpreting the situation correctly in that desktop
Linux has real challenges in the near future. He desperately wants
desktop Linux to succeed, but can't see how that can happen without
compromises. For that, you (and others) call him "nuts", but I
haven't seen any cogent argument that shows how Linux is to succeed on
the desktop without that sort of concession to reality.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Eric Raymond tempted by Mac? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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ginno.email DeleteThis @googlemail.com wrote:
> I am sorry but Eric Raymond is a well recognized idiot.
>
Don't be sorry. Whether or not ESR is an idiot, he could still write
circles around you. Work on your prose a bit, and then try again.
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