Erasing CD-RW with OpenSuse 10.2 and Gnome.....

Mark Austin · External Since: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 3

Hi all,

Can someone please help me... I'm a total newbie to Linux and simply
want to erase some cd-rw discs. I seem to be able to burn blank discs
via the file browser in Gnome but I cant work out how to simply erase
a disc. In KDE, I believe you can use a program called K3b and I was
wondering if such a program came as 'standard' with Gnome? I tried
searching on Google and found an article on using the terminal with
cdrecord. I tried this but I get a message saying this is Wodim, not
cdrecord. Any advice would be much appreciated. Please keep it simple
though as I'm still learning!

Joerg Schilling · External Since: Dec 18, 2006 Posts: 130

In article <1183469493.611694.100400 RemoveThis @q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Mark Austin <info RemoveThis @markjaustin.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Can someone please help me... I'm a total newbie to Linux and simply
>want to erase some cd-rw discs. I seem to be able to burn blank discs
>via the file browser in Gnome but I cant work out how to simply erase
>a disc. In KDE, I believe you can use a program called K3b and I was
>wondering if such a program came as 'standard' with Gnome? I tried
>searching on Google and found an article on using the terminal with
>cdrecord. I tried this but I get a message saying this is Wodim, not
>cdrecord. Any advice would be much appreciated. Please keep it simple
>though as I'm still learning!

A recent real cdrecord can be found here:

ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/

Make sure, you install cdrecord suid root.

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Tony Houghton · External Since: Jul 22, 2006 Posts: 88

In <1183469493.611694.100400 DeleteThis @q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Mark Austin <info DeleteThis @markjaustin.co.uk> wrote:

> Can someone please help me... I'm a total newbie to Linux and simply
> want to erase some cd-rw discs. I seem to be able to burn blank discs
> via the file browser in Gnome but I cant work out how to simply erase
> a disc. In KDE, I believe you can use a program called K3b and I was
> wondering if such a program came as 'standard' with Gnome?

You can use K3b in Gnome. There's also something called gcombust but I
don't think it's as good.

> I tried
> searching on Google and found an article on using the terminal with
> cdrecord. I tried this but I get a message saying this is Wodim, not
> cdrecord. Any advice would be much appreciated. Please keep it simple
> though as I'm still learning!

The command line syntax should be the same for wodim as for cdrecord.
You need to know the logical device name of your CD writer. IDE drive
names start with /dev/hd regardless of whether they're HDs or CDs,
followed by a letter a-d for primary master, primary slave, secondary
master and slave in that order. So a secondary master is /dev/hdc and
the command would be:

wodim dev=/dev/hdc blank=fast

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Paul Martin · External Since: Sep 21, 2004 Posts: 173

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Nix · External Since: Jul 29, 2004 Posts: 680

On 3 Jul 2007, Mark Austin told this:
> Can someone please help me... I'm a total newbie to Linux and simply
> want to erase some cd-rw discs. I seem to be able to burn blank discs
> via the file browser in Gnome but I cant work out how to simply erase
> a disc. In KDE, I believe you can use a program called K3b and I was
> wondering if such a program came as 'standard' with Gnome? I tried
> searching on Google and found an article on using the terminal with
> cdrecord. I tried this but I get a message saying this is Wodim, not
> cdrecord. Any advice would be much appreciated. Please keep it simple
> though as I'm still learning!

wodim blank=fast

is likely to do the trick.

(see `man wodim'.)

(`wodim' is a rapidly-improving fork of cdrecord whose major differences
from the POV of people who care about ordinary CD burning are that it is
distributable by people other than Joerg Schilling without breaking the
law, and that it can burn DVDs as well. Its command-line options are
extremely similar, so advice that applies to cdrecord generally applies
to wodim too. Joerg says wodim is dangerously buggy, but nobody else can
find these mysterious bugs, and it works fine for everyone else...)

Joerg Schilling · External Since: Dec 18, 2006 Posts: 130

In article <871wfp8m7u.fsf.DeleteThis@hades.wkstn.nix>,
Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.org.uk> wrote:

>(see `man wodim'.)
>
>(`wodim' is a rapidly-improving fork of cdrecord whose major differences
>from the POV of people who care about ordinary CD burning are that it is

Yopu are wrong: wodim is a dead fork from cdrecord that is still in a state
that cdrecord did have 2 years ago.

In contrary to wodim, cdrecord is truely free and maintained software.

Cdrecord is the rapidly original software......

Check the changelogs:

ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/

Cdrecord did e.g. remove the need to specify dev= a year ago (this is before
wodim exists). The origional mkisofs did fix a lot of bugs that are still
in the "cdrkit" package and the original mkisofs as well as cdrecord did add
a lof of interesting new features.

Wodim did not add any new feature sice it exists.

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Paul Martin · External Since: Sep 21, 2004 Posts: 173

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Joerg Schilling · External Since: Dec 18, 2006 Posts: 130

In article <slrnf8l4r0.5nv.pm.TakeThisOut@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>,
Paul Martin <pm.TakeThisOut@zetnet.net> wrote:
>In article <5evgc8F39bdf9U1.TakeThisOut@mid.dfncis.de>,
> Joerg Schilling wrote:
>
>> In contrary to wodim, cdrecord is truely free and maintained software.
>
>Free as in beer, yes. Free as in libre, maybe not.

Definitely wrong - sorry.

Cdrecord is completely under a license that passes all requirements for free
software from the OSI and Debian (written by Bruce Perence).

Wodim uses a less free license - the GPLv2. The GPLv3 does not pass
all OSI and Debian requirements in case that an Author would make use of
GPL2 §8. The only reason for accepting GPLd software es free is that currently
no author makes use of this paragraph in GPLv2.

>A simple test is: if wodim cannot borrow code from newer versions of
>cdrecord, cdrecord is not truly Free.

This proves that you are missunderstanding "freedom" as well as the reason
for this fact.

Cdrecord allows it's code to be used by _all_ projects that are free
software acording to OSI.

The problem is that the less free license used by wodim would try to change
the license of the borrowed code in such a case and this would violate the
Copyright law.

>Anyway, we've been here before. I don't think anything will have
>changed since this was last discussed. Shall we agree to differ?

If you don't understand licensing well enough, we should stop here.

I am an author who likes to support _any_ free software.

The GPL likes to support _only_ GPLd software.

If you like to support a bigger number of free software projects,
you need to select a more free license than the GPL. This has been
done with the original cdrtools.

BTW: freedom has many aspects. One is to run software that is well maintained
and that grants to support you in the future. This is something you do not get
from wodim. Wodim did start 10 months ago, did offer some speudo changes in
order to create the impression of active development and wodim did stop
activities 2 months ago. At that time, the person who did start the flamewar
against cdrtools seem to have left Debian.

Also note that in order to do active development, you need some kind of skills
that fit to the project. If this kind of expertise was present in the "wodim
team", I would expect new features in 10 months, either from own ideas or from
looking at other peoples ideas.

There are also parts where the wodim people could borrow code from cdrtools but
they did not because they did change their code too much by just applying
different indentation rules. Do not expect anything from wodim in the future.

If you like to use wodim, do so but note that you bet on a dead horse.

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Nick Leverton · External Since: Dec 24, 2004 Posts: 54

In article <slrnf8kts0.5nv.pm.RemoveThis@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>,
Paul Martin <pm.RemoveThis@zetnet.net> wrote:
>In article <5ev2seF3a0ojoU1.RemoveThis@mid.dfncis.de>,
> Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> In article <1183469493.611694.100400.RemoveThis@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>> Mark Austin <info.RemoveThis@markjaustin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>Can someone please help me... I'm a total newbie to Linux and simply
>>>want to erase some cd-rw discs. I seem to be able to burn blank discs
>
>> A recent real cdrecord can be found here:
>
>You are Kibo and I claim my five pounds. Smile

I'm glad to see his sig is McQuary-compliant ...

Nick
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Darren Salt · External Since: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 352

I demand that Joerg Schilling may or may not have written...

> In article <871wfp8m7u.fsf DeleteThis @hades.wkstn.nix>,
> Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.org.uk> wrote:
>> (see `man wodim'.)
>> (`wodim' is a rapidly-improving fork of cdrecord whose major differences
>> from the POV of people who care about ordinary CD burning are that it is

> You are wrong: wodim is a dead fork from cdrecord that is still in a state
> that cdrecord did have 2 years ago.

Dead? Oh yes, "not contributed to by Schilling".

> In contrary to wodim, cdrecord is truely free and maintained software.

Same old FUD...

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Nick Kew · External Since: Jan 03, 2007 Posts: 13

On 03 Jul 2007 18:20:34 GMT
Paul Martin <pm DeleteThis @zetnet.net> wrote:

> A simple test is: if wodim cannot borrow code from newer versions of
> cdrecord, cdrecord is not truly Free.

So GPL code is not truly Free because BSD/MIT/Apache/etc can't borrow
from it?

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Nix · External Since: Jul 29, 2004 Posts: 680

On 3 Jul 2007, Joerg Schilling verbalised:

> In article <871wfp8m7u.fsf.DeleteThis@hades.wkstn.nix>,
> Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>(see `man wodim'.)
>>
>>(`wodim' is a rapidly-improving fork of cdrecord whose major differences
>>from the POV of people who care about ordinary CD burning are that it is
>
> Yopu are wrong: wodim is a dead fork from cdrecord

cdrkit, dead? I see dozens of commits in the last two months.

> that is still in a state
> that cdrecord did have 2 years ago.

Well, it forked from a two year old copy, so that would naturally
be true.

> In contrary to wodim, cdrecord is truely free and maintained software.

Except for the little matter of the incompatibility between the CDDL and
GPL, confirmed by the authors of both licenses. (Oops.)

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Joerg Schilling · External Since: Dec 18, 2006 Posts: 130

In article <87myydjoz9.fsf DeleteThis @hades.wkstn.nix>,
Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.org.uk> wrote:
>On 3 Jul 2007, Joerg Schilling verbalised:
>
>> In article <871wfp8m7u.fsf DeleteThis @hades.wkstn.nix>,
>> Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>(see `man wodim'.)
>>>
>>>(`wodim' is a rapidly-improving fork of cdrecord whose major differences
>>>from the POV of people who care about ordinary CD burning are that it is
>>
>> Yopu are wrong: wodim is a dead fork from cdrecord
>
>cdrkit, dead? I see dozens of commits in the last two months.

How much is a dozen for you? ONE?

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Paul Martin · External Since: Sep 21, 2004 Posts: 173

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Nix · External Since: Jul 29, 2004 Posts: 680

On 3 Jul 2007, Nick Kew told this:

> On 03 Jul 2007 18:20:34 GMT
> Paul Martin <pm.RemoveThis@zetnet.net> wrote:
>
>
>> A simple test is: if wodim cannot borrow code from newer versions of
>> cdrecord, cdrecord is not truly Free.
>
> So GPL code is not truly Free because BSD/MIT/Apache/etc can't borrow
> from it?

ARGH LET'S NOT START THIS FLAMEWAR ARGH ARGH

(sorry, burnt patches from long BSD/GPL arguments in my teens. They're
still tender if prodded.)

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Nix · External Since: Jul 29, 2004 Posts: 680

On 3 Jul 2007, Joerg Schilling verbalised:

> In article <87myydjoz9.fsf DeleteThis @hades.wkstn.nix>,
> Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.org.uk> wrote:
>>On 3 Jul 2007, Joerg Schilling verbalised:
>>> Yopu are wrong: wodim is a dead fork from cdrecord
>>
>>cdrkit, dead? I see dozens of commits in the last two months.
>
> How much is a dozen for you? ONE?

22. Two dozen odd.

(Perhaps you're looking at the wrong branch...)

Paul Martin · External Since: Sep 21, 2004 Posts: 173

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Mark Austin · External Since: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 3

On Jul 4, 9:09 am, "Geoffrey Clements"
<geoffrey.clement....DeleteThis@SPAMbaesystems.com> wrote:
> "Nix" <nix-razor-....DeleteThis@esperi.org.uk> wrote in message
>
> Especially as this thread was started by a newbie asking a fairly basic
> question, I really hope he's still around and has sifted the good advice
> from all this bickering.
>
> --
> Geoff

Hi Geoff - yes I'm still around!! I've read all these comments and
most of this GPL stuff means nothing to me!! I'm sure it will slot
into place as time goes by!
As for all your comments, thank you very much. I wasn't aware you
could install KDE software on a Gnome system. However, as I'm trying
to get to grips with linux I will try to use the terminal option
first. Sorry if I've created some kind of dispute in the process!

Mark.

Mark Austin · External Since: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 3

Geoffrey Clements" <geoffrey.clement....TakeThisOut@SPAMbaesystems.com> wrote:
>
> Especially as this thread was started by a newbie asking a fairly basic
> question, I really hope he's still around and has sifted the good advice
> from all this bickering.
>
> --
> Geoff

Yes I'm still around!! I've read all these comments and most of this
GPL stuff means nothing to me!! I'm sure it will slot into place as
time goes by! As for all your comments, thank you very much. I wasn't
aware you could install KDE software on a Gnome system. However, as
I'm trying to get to grips with linux I will try to use the terminal
option first. Sorry if I've created some kind of dispute in the
process!

Mark.