Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

José_Miguel_Parrella_Rome · External Since: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 1

The maintainers of the xmms package in Debian are proposing the removal
of the aforementioned package. Please read on.

1. Rationale

* Upstream has deprecated development and support for the current
version of XMMS.
* Several parts of the application are broken and no longer of Debian
quality.

2. Current status

* The BTS reports 231 bugs, most tagged 'important' or 'normal', and a
couple of debugging was attempted with little success.
* XMMS is broken in several aspects, one of the most important being
it's dependence on GTK+ 1.2 and no UTF-8 support, which is standard in
Debian Etch.
* Other distributions have already discussed XMMS removal. Gentoo
hardmasked the package based on the same rationale [1]
* 'bmpx' and 'audacious' are in Debian, ranks 8048 and 3649 in popcon.
Both are very good and development-active substitutes to xmms.
* There's also in Debian the upstream-supported xmms2 package, 2598 in
popcon rank.

2.1 Reverse depends

The following packages depend on XMMS:

xmms-liveice
xmms-festalon
xmp-xmms
xmmsctrl
xmms-xf86audio
xmms-wmdiscotux
xmms-wma
xmms-volnorm
xmms-synaesthesia
xmms-stats
xmms-speex
xmms-skins
xmms-singit
xmms-sid
xmms-shell
xmms-scrobbler
xmms-rplay
xmms-qbble
xmms-osd-plugin
xmms-openspc
xmms-oggre
xmms-musepack
xmms-msa
xmms-mpg123-ja
xmms-mp4
xmms-modplug
xmms-mad
xmms-lirc
xmms-ladspa
xmms-kjofol
xmms-kde
xmms-jess
xmms-jackasyn
xmms-iris
xmms-infopipe
xmms-infinity
xmms-goom
xmms-goodnight
xmms-gbs
xmms-fmradio
xmms-flac
xmms-finespectrum
xmms-find
xmms-dev
xmms-dbmix
xmms-crossfade
xmms-coverviewer
xmms-cdread
xmms-bumpscope
xmms-blursk
xmms-arts
xmms-alarm
xmms-adplug
|xfce4-xmms-plugin
wmusic
superkaramba
smpeg-xmms
shermans-aquarium
rep-xmms
python-xmms
playground-plugin-xmms
|peercast-handlers
madman
logjam-xmms
libxmms-ruby
libxmms-perl
kvirc2
karamba
kadu-external-modules
junior-sound
imms
hotkeys
gnump3d
gnomp3
gkrellmms
gjay
gdesklets-data
gdancer
gaim-xmms-remote
|fvwm-crystal
extace
education-standalone
education-music
education-desktop-other

Most of this packages are xmms plugins. Maintainers will need to port
them to xmms2 or bmpx, or they should be removed.

Other packages just depend on xmms as a mere multimedia player, and
therefore we recommend the maintainers to adjust their dependencies to
bmpx, xmms2 or audacious.

2.2 Popcon

xmms is now 1069 in the overall popcon rank, with 11029 installations,
not counting the plugin users.

Yours,
the XMMS maintainers

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml

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Adam_Cécile_(Le_Vert) · External Since: Jun 05, 2006 Posts: 63

I (audacious maintainer) have some stuff to add about xmms plugins.
Most of them have been merged into audacious and I worked with
xmms-crossfade maintainer to build an audacious flavour of this plugins.

We should have a look at all xmms-plugins but I'm pretty sure more then
90% are already part of audacious distribution.

Regards, Adam.

José Miguel Parrella Romero a écrit :
> The maintainers of the xmms package in Debian are proposing the removal
> of the aforementioned package. Please read on.
>
> 1. Rationale
>
> * Upstream has deprecated development and support for the current
> version of XMMS.
> * Several parts of the application are broken and no longer of Debian
> quality.
>
> 2. Current status
>
> * The BTS reports 231 bugs, most tagged 'important' or 'normal', and a
> couple of debugging was attempted with little success.
> * XMMS is broken in several aspects, one of the most important being
> it's dependence on GTK+ 1.2 and no UTF-8 support, which is standard in
> Debian Etch.
> * Other distributions have already discussed XMMS removal. Gentoo
> hardmasked the package based on the same rationale [1]
> * 'bmpx' and 'audacious' are in Debian, ranks 8048 and 3649 in popcon.
> Both are very good and development-active substitutes to xmms.
> * There's also in Debian the upstream-supported xmms2 package, 2598 in
> popcon rank.
>
> 2.1 Reverse depends
>
> The following packages depend on XMMS:
>
> xmms-liveice
> xmms-festalon
> xmp-xmms
> xmmsctrl
> xmms-xf86audio
> xmms-wmdiscotux
> xmms-wma
> xmms-volnorm
> xmms-synaesthesia
> xmms-stats
> xmms-speex
> xmms-skins
> xmms-singit
> xmms-sid
> xmms-shell
> xmms-scrobbler
> xmms-rplay
> xmms-qbble
> xmms-osd-plugin
> xmms-openspc
> xmms-oggre
> xmms-musepack
> xmms-msa
> xmms-mpg123-ja
> xmms-mp4
> xmms-modplug
> xmms-mad
> xmms-lirc
> xmms-ladspa
> xmms-kjofol
> xmms-kde
> xmms-jess
> xmms-jackasyn
> xmms-iris
> xmms-infopipe
> xmms-infinity
> xmms-goom
> xmms-goodnight
> xmms-gbs
> xmms-fmradio
> xmms-flac
> xmms-finespectrum
> xmms-find
> xmms-dev
> xmms-dbmix
> xmms-crossfade
> xmms-coverviewer
> xmms-cdread
> xmms-bumpscope
> xmms-blursk
> xmms-arts
> xmms-alarm
> xmms-adplug
> |xfce4-xmms-plugin
> wmusic
> superkaramba
> smpeg-xmms
> shermans-aquarium
> rep-xmms
> python-xmms
> playground-plugin-xmms
> |peercast-handlers
> madman
> logjam-xmms
> libxmms-ruby
> libxmms-perl
> kvirc2
> karamba
> kadu-external-modules
> junior-sound
> imms
> hotkeys
> gnump3d
> gnomp3
> gkrellmms
> gjay
> gdesklets-data
> gdancer
> gaim-xmms-remote
> |fvwm-crystal
> extace
> education-standalone
> education-music
> education-desktop-other
>
> Most of this packages are xmms plugins. Maintainers will need to port
> them to xmms2 or bmpx, or they should be removed.
>
> Other packages just depend on xmms as a mere multimedia player, and
> therefore we recommend the maintainers to adjust their dependencies to
> bmpx, xmms2 or audacious.
>
> 2.2 Popcon
>
> xmms is now 1069 in the overall popcon rank, with 11029 installations,
> not counting the plugin users.
>
> Yours,
> the XMMS maintainers
>
> [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml
>
>
>

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Daniel Baumann · External Since: Jul 11, 2006 Posts: 1618

Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) wrote:
> We should have a look at all xmms-plugins but I'm pretty sure more then
> 90% are already part of audacious distribution.

Do you volunteer to prepare a list?

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Daniel Jacobowitz · External Since: Dec 02, 2004 Posts: 266

On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 11:58:02AM -0400, José Miguel Parrella Romero wrote:
> The maintainers of the xmms package in Debian are proposing the removal
> of the aforementioned package. Please read on.

When last I looked (some time ago), none of the different XMMS
successors were ready for prime time. Are bmpx, audacious, and xmms2
all usable now?

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Andreas Tille · External Since: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 200

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:

> When last I looked (some time ago), none of the different XMMS
> successors were ready for prime time. Are bmpx, audacious, and xmms2
> all usable now?

I just tried audacious from testing which was not able to even load
a single sound file at my side. There was (at least) a missing
dependency from libaudacious5 and probably other problems. I installed
the version from unstable and currently enjoy my old playlists. Wink

I do not regard xmms2 as a practical replacement for my own purpose.
This client server model might fit other persons needs but not mine.

Kind regards

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"Alvaro_Mouriño · External Since: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 1

2007/7/2, Daniel Jacobowitz <dan DeleteThis @debian.org>:
> When last I looked (some time ago), none of the different XMMS
> successors were ready for prime time. Are bmpx, audacious, and xmms2
> all usable now?
>
Hi list,

I just tried to install bmpx but got this dependency problem:
[QUOTE]
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
bmpx: Depends: libboost-regex1.33.1 which is a virtual package.
Resolving dependencies...
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

Keep the following packages at their current version:
bmpx [Not Installed]

Score is -10001

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] q
Abandoning all efforts to resolve these dependencies.
Abort.
[/QUOTE]

I use Sid under a amd64 architecture.
~$ uname -a
Linux amanda 2.6.20-1-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Apr 24 21:10:58 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux

A friend of mine tried it under Lenny on a i386 and despite of
installing successfully, couldn't run it:
[QUOTE]
BMP no puede arrancar a través de activación por DBus.
El siguiente error ocurrió intentando arrancar BMP:

'Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote
application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy
blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network
connection was broken.'
[/QUOTE]

His uname -a:
Linux sagan 2.6.16-2-k7 #1 Sat Jul 15 23:05:41 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

Maybe bmpx is not fully usable still.

Alvaro Mouriño

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Software Libre: El conocimiento no puede tener dueño.

Steve Langasek · External Since: Dec 13, 2004 Posts: 2073

On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 07:33:15PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:

> >When last I looked (some time ago), none of the different XMMS
> >successors were ready for prime time. Are bmpx, audacious, and xmms2
> >all usable now?

> I just tried audacious from testing which was not able to even load
> a single sound file at my side. There was (at least) a missing
> dependency from libaudacious5 and probably other problems. I installed
> the version from unstable and currently enjoy my old playlists. Wink

Could you elaborate on this missing dependency? I'm using audacious in
stable for some time with no problems, but I don't know if the dependency is
satisfied by accident on my desktop system.

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Andreas Tille · External Since: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 200

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:

> Could you elaborate on this missing dependency? I'm using audacious in
> stable for some time with no problems, but I don't know if the dependency is
> satisfied by accident on my desktop system.

I installed audacious and started it. I tried to add a playlist and
several audio files (ogg and mp3) but not a single file was added to
the playlist. The I started audacious on command line giving a ogg
file as argument. I've got a lot of "not found" messages on the
console. The first one was something about missing libaudacious.so.5
library. Apt-file told me that this lib was in libaudacious5 which
was just not in the depends (but libaudacious4 is - at least for the
testing version). After installing this package manually this error
message vanished - but the other "missing something" lines seemed
to break the application. Before I decided to report this as a bug
I installed the unstable version to verify whether something was fixed.
Luckily enough all runs perfectly fine in the unstable version so
I regarded filing bug reports as useless and instead gave this hint.

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Steve Langasek · External Since: Dec 13, 2004 Posts: 2073

On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 08:27:23PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:

> >Could you elaborate on this missing dependency? I'm using audacious in
> >stable for some time with no problems, but I don't know if the dependency
> >is
> >satisfied by accident on my desktop system.

> I installed audacious and started it. I tried to add a playlist and
> several audio files (ogg and mp3) but not a single file was added to
> the playlist. The I started audacious on command line giving a ogg
> file as argument. I've got a lot of "not found" messages on the
> console. The first one was something about missing libaudacious.so.5
> library. Apt-file told me that this lib was in libaudacious5 which
> was just not in the depends (but libaudacious4 is - at least for the
> testing version).

Um. Which version of audacious was this? libaudacious5 isn't in testing at
all, and the stable (=testing) version of audacious works fine for me with
libaudacious4 which it depends on.

> After installing this package manually this error message vanished - but
> the other "missing something" lines seemed to break the application.
> Before I decided to report this as a bug I installed the unstable version
> to verify whether something was fixed. Luckily enough all runs perfectly
> fine in the unstable version so I regarded filing bug reports as useless
> and instead gave this hint.

Well, it's not much of a hint...

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Russ Allbery · External Since: Nov 17, 2005 Posts: 780

Steve Langasek <vorlon.TakeThisOut@debian.org> writes:

> Um. Which version of audacious was this? libaudacious5 isn't in
> testing at all, and the stable (=testing) version of audacious works
> fine for me with libaudacious4 which it depends on.

(Also filing this as a bug report.)

windlord:/root# aptitude install audacious
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Writing extended state information... Done
Building tag database... Done
The following packages are BROKEN:
libfluidsynth1
The following NEW packages will be automatically installed:
audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-extra ladcca2 libasyncns0
libaudacious4 libdirectfb-0.9-25 libfreebob0 libjack0 liblircclient0
libmms0 libpulse0 libresid-builder0c2a libsdl1.2debian
libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsidplay2 libsvga1 libsysfs2 libwavpack1
libxcomposite1 svgalibg1
The following NEW packages will be installed:
audacious audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-extra ladcca2 libasyncns0
libaudacious4 libdirectfb-0.9-25 libfreebob0 libjack0 liblircclient0
libmms0 libpulse0 libresid-builder0c2a libsdl1.2debian
libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsidplay2 libsvga1 libsysfs2 libwavpack1
libxcomposite1 svgalibg1
0 packages upgraded, 22 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/4818kB of archives. After unpacking 12.2MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
libfluidsynth1: Depends: libjack0.100.0-0 (>= 0.101.1) but it is not installable
Resolving dependencies...
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

Install the following packages:
libjack0.100.0-0 [0.103.0-6 (unstable)]

Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
libjack0 recommends jackd (= 0.103.0-6)
Score is -239

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]
The following NEW packages will be automatically installed:
audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-extra ladcca2 libasyncns0
libaudacious4 libdirectfb-0.9-25 libfluidsynth1 libfreebob0 libjack0
libjack0.100.0-0 liblircclient0 libmms0 libpulse0 libresid-builder0c2a
libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsidplay2 libsvga1 libsysfs2
libwavpack1 libxcomposite1 svgalibg1
The following NEW packages will be installed:
audacious audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-extra ladcca2 libasyncns0
libaudacious4 libdirectfb-0.9-25 libfluidsynth1 libfreebob0 libjack0
libjack0.100.0-0 liblircclient0 libmms0 libpulse0 libresid-builder0c2a
libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsidplay2 libsvga1 libsysfs2
libwavpack1 libxcomposite1 svgalibg1
0 packages upgraded, 23 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/4831kB of archives. After unpacking 12.3MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
Writing extended state information... Done
Selecting previously deselected package libmms0.
(Reading database ... 110644 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking libmms0 (from .../libmms0_0.3-4_i386.deb) ...
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Unpacking libxcomposite1 (from .../libxcomposite1_1%3a0.3.2-1_i386.deb) ...
Setting up libmms0 (0.3-4) ...

Setting up audacious-plugins (1.3.5-1+b1) ...
Selecting previously deselected package audacious-plugins-extra.
(Reading database ... 110877 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking audacious-plugins-extra (from .../audacious-plugins-extra_1.3.5-1+b1_i386.deb) ...
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...

Setting up libsdl1.2debian (1.2.11- Cool

...
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Setting up audacious (1.2.2-4) ...

windlord:/root# suspend

Suspended (signal)
windlord:~> audacious
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libaac.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Input/libaac.so: undefined symbol: vfs_buffered_file_new_from_uri
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libmadplug.so): libaudid3tag.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libamidi-plug.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Input/libamidi-plug.so: undefined symbol: audacious_get_localdir
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libvorbis.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Input/libvorbis.so: undefined symbol: vfs_get_metadata
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libconsole.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Input/libconsole.so: undefined symbol: playlist_get_active
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libcuesheet.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Input/libcuesheet.so: undefined symbol: playlist_get_active
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libtta.so): libaudid3tag.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/General/libstatusicon.so): /usr/lib/audacious/General/libstatusicon.so: undefined symbol: audacious_fileinfopopup_hide
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/General/libaosd.so): /usr/lib/audacious/General/libaosd.so: undefined symbol: hook_associate
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/General/libcurl.so): /usr/lib/audacious/General/libcurl.so: undefined symbol: vfs_register_transport
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/General/libscrobbler.so): /usr/lib/audacious/General/libscrobbler.so: undefined symbol: audacious_get_localdir
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/General/libsong_change.so): /usr/lib/audacious/General/libsong_change.so: undefined symbol: hook_associate
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/General/libevdev-plug.so): /usr/lib/audacious/General/libevdev-plug.so: undefined symbol: audacious_get_localdir
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Visualization/libparanormal.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Visualization/libparanormal.so: undefined symbol: vfs_buffer_new_from_string
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Visualization/librovascope.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Visualization/librovascope.so: undefined symbol: vfs_buffer_new_from_string
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Container/libm3u.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Container/libm3u.so: undefined symbol: playlist_get_active
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Container/libmms.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Container/libmms.so: undefined symbol: vfs_register_transport
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Container/libpls.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Container/libpls.so: undefined symbol: open_ini_file
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Container/libstdio.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Container/libstdio.so: undefined symbol: vfs_register_transport
Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Container/libxspf.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Container/libxspf.so: undefined symbol: playlist_get_active

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Bernd Zeimetz · External Since: Jul 17, 2006 Posts: 214

> When last I looked (some time ago), none of the different XMMS
> successors were ready for prime time. Are bmpx, audacious, and xmms2
> all usable now?

imho xmms2 is not a real replacement for xmms, as this client-server
model is too complicated for the normal user, and I find it pretty
annoying. If I'd be in the need of any kind of server, I'd use a proper
streaming server.
The last time I've tried it bmpx was working well, but there were some
plugins missing I used in xmms, don't remember which ones, though. But I
still support the removal of xmms from Debian as it is pretty much
broken and buggy, and gtk1 is pretty much outdated. People thinking
about fixing xmms should better invest time in bmpx or audacious imho.

Also there's amarok and exaile, which are imho times better than xmms,
although they're probably not suited to run on old systems. Personally
I'm only using amarok to play files and streams these days.

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Adeodato Simó · External Since: Dec 09, 2005 Posts: 103

* Russ Allbery [Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:39:20 -0700]:

> Steve Langasek <vorlon DeleteThis @debian.org> writes:

> > Um. Which version of audacious was this? libaudacious5 isn't in
> > testing at all, and the stable (=testing) version of audacious works
> > fine for me with libaudacious4 which it depends on.

> (Also filing this as a bug report.)

> windlord:~> audacious
> Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libaac.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Input/libaac.so: undefined symbol: vfs_buffered_file_new_from_uri

Files in audacious-plugins are dlopened by audacious, so they don't
depend on any libaudaciousX package. What has happened here is that
there are no package relationships in place to prevent upstream version
skew from happening between the application and the plugins. And
audacious-plugins 1.3.X made it into testing while audacious 1.3.X did
not.

Adam, to fix this, the probably saniest way is to make the plugin
packages depend on audacious with a relationship like this:

Package: audacious-plugins-whatever
Version: 1.X.Y
Depends: audacious (>> 1.X), audacious (<< 1.(X+1)~)

This introduces a circular dependency between audacious and
audacious-plugins, but I think that's okay and preferable to making the
plugins Conflict: audacious (<< 1.X), audacious (>> 1.(X+1)~). I'm sure
others in -devel will agree.

NB: this can't be fixed by just updating the audacious-plugins
dependency in the audacious package, because there are several plugin
packages and audacious does not depend on them all.

HTH,

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Ean Schuessler · External Since: Jan 10, 2005 Posts: 4

On Monday 02 July 2007 05:29:46 pm Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> imho xmms2 is not a real replacement for xmms, as this client-server
> model is too complicated for the normal user, and I find it pretty
> annoying. If I'd be in the need of any kind of server, I'd use a proper
> streaming server.
> The last time I've tried it bmpx was working well, but there were some
> plugins missing I used in xmms, don't remember which ones, though. But I
> still support the removal of xmms from Debian as it is pretty much
> broken and buggy, and gtk1 is pretty much outdated. People thinking
> about fixing xmms should better invest time in bmpx or audacious imho.

A number of "noob" users I set up on Debian long ago are still active XMMS
users. It would probably be less frustrating for them if the upgrade that
removes XMMS migrates their configuration to something that totally "just
works" and has a level of eye-candy high enough to remind them that they are
using the world's greatest operating system... even though they can't program
and don't fully comprehend the greatestness of Debian.

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Eduard Bloch · External Since: Nov 29, 2004 Posts: 358

#include <hallo.h>
* Daniel Jacobowitz [Mon, Jul 02 2007, 01:17:33PM]:
> On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 11:58:02AM -0400, José Miguel Parrella Romero wrote:
> > The maintainers of the xmms package in Debian are proposing the removal
> > of the aforementioned package. Please read on.
>
> When last I looked (some time ago), none of the different XMMS
> successors were ready for prime time. Are bmpx, audacious, and xmms2
> all usable now?

Audacious, like many other players, has this stupid concept of reading
every file from the filelist to get the metadata. Not really realistic
when acting on slow filesystems. But this is something that made XMMS so
much superiour over others, it was fast and lightweight.

Eduard.

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Josselin Mouette · External Since: Nov 09, 2004 Posts: 989

Le mardi 03 juillet 2007 à 08:18 +0200, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> Audacious, like many other players, has this stupid concept of reading
> every file from the filelist to get the metadata. Not really realistic
> when acting on slow filesystems. But this is something that made XMMS so
> much superiour over others, it was fast and lightweight.

By default, audacious only does it for files that are displayed,
depending on the size of the playlist window. This feature can also be
entirely deactivated.

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Josselin Mouette · External Since: Nov 09, 2004 Posts: 989

Le mardi 03 juillet 2007 à 00:40 +0200, Adeodato Simó a écrit :
> > windlord:~> audacious
> > Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libaac.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Input/libaac.so: undefined symbol: vfs_buffered_file_new_from_uri
>
> Files in audacious-plugins are dlopened by audacious, so they don't
> depend on any libaudaciousX package.

And the sane way to fix it is to make the plugins link to the library.
This way audacious-plugins will depend on libaudacious5 and testing
won't be broken again.

You should also enforce dependencies between audacious and
audacious-plugins in a stronger way. There is no need for a circular
dependency, you can just make audacious depend on audacious-plugins (>=
X.Y), audacious-plugins (<< X.Y+1).

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Adeodato Simó · External Since: Dec 09, 2005 Posts: 103

* Josselin Mouette [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:34:19 +0200]:

> And the sane way to fix it is to make the plugins link to the library.
> This way audacious-plugins will depend on libaudacious5 and testing
> won't be broken again.

Yah, and what happens when the application (linked against
libaudacious4) dlopens the plugins (linked against libaudacious5).

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Eduard Bloch · External Since: Nov 29, 2004 Posts: 358

#include <hallo.h>
* Josselin Mouette [Tue, Jul 03 2007, 09:37:55AM]:
> Le mardi 03 juillet 2007 à 08:18 +0200, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > Audacious, like many other players, has this stupid concept of reading
> > every file from the filelist to get the metadata. Not really realistic
> > when acting on slow filesystems. But this is something that made XMMS so
> > much superiour over others, it was fast and lightweight.
>
> By default, audacious only does it for files that are displayed,

I see this in strace output with default configuration. Switching the
setting between on-display and on-load makes it even worse, then it
opens every file THREE times. Sorry, wtf?

Further, it has broken SIGTERM handling. Unless I am able to find such
visible problems within minutes, this program is no replacement for the
good old XMMS.

> depending on the size of the playlist window. This feature can also be
> entirely deactivated.

I don't want to have it entirely deactivated, I want it to work then and
only then when I need this information.

Eduard.

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Adeodato Simó · External Since: Dec 09, 2005 Posts: 103

* Steve Langasek [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:25:11 -0700]:

> But at a minimum, yes, the audacious-plugins package should be depending on
> libaudacious by way of shlibdeps.

There is no NEEDED entry in the plugins against libaudaciousX. Do you
mean hardcoding the dependency instead? (Which, true, solves the
situation.)

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"Adam Cécile · External Since: Jun 14, 2006 Posts: 2

Do you mean having the right audacious-plugins dependency on audacious
wouldn't be enough ?

Adeodato Simó a écrit :
> * Steve Langasek [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:25:11 -0700]:
>
>> But at a minimum, yes, the audacious-plugins package should be depending on
>> libaudacious by way of shlibdeps.
>
> There is no NEEDED entry in the plugins against libaudaciousX. Do you
> mean hardcoding the dependency instead? (Which, true, solves the
> situation.)
>
> Cheers,
>

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