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Beve Stallmer
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Climbing Mount Ubuntu
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I'm back to Linux after abandoning it in its Suse form a few years ago.
Unfortunately I've forgotten 90% of what I learned about Linux back
then, so here I go again!

Finally managed to get 6.0.6.1 installed onto my Vaio and a Dell, both
newish laptops. The LIVE CD stalled at mounting the file system, but a
slow reburn of the alternative CD seemed to work. Put Ubuntu on the
final 10GB partition on the disks, both have WinXP Pro on their C drive.
Both times I ended up with one EXT3 Linux partition and one SWAP Linux
partition, whereas I would have preferred 3 Linux partitions: swap, home
and system.

In addition, there are numerous other problems, although I have had an
attitudinal change that makes them seem like *fun* rather than infuriating.

It is important that people realize that Linux offers you the chance to
tinker with configuration, learn a lot of new stuff, feel achievement as
you conquer problems, and all for free! It's actually good deal, and I
do not say that sarcastically.

On my Vaio, many problems, irritations and gotchas, or, as I now call
them, /opportunities/ -

* Could not browse my NTFS volumes until I messed around (added entries)
in "fstab" or some similarly named file

* I'm struggling to come to terms with my inability to make folders as
an ordinary user while using the file browsing facility in Ubuntu. In
Suse you could quickly pop into admin mode and do this from within the
file browser ... is there a way in ubuntu or must I open a console
window and start typing commands? In fact, how can I quickly become an
admin while in the GUI? (Softball question for ya!)

* Headset's microphone does not work with Skype test call or the default
sound recorder utility in Ubuntu. I'm going to have to play with ALSA
and OSS and something else (actual sound card). There seems also to be
some confusion between my headphones and the USB speakers, with sounds
routed inappropriately ....

* "Skype for Linux" does not seem to have video abilities (in fact, my
webcam light glows all the time but I seem to have no way to address it
or use it). Is Skype for Linux so far behind?

* The default-installed music player chokes on MP3 files, which I found
amazing. Must install Amarok, I think.

* On shutdown, the machine hangs with the built-in laptop speakers
making occasional spitting sounds. Hard crash needing power button.

* Where can I get all the M$ fonts? I remember getting Arial etc on my
Suse install, probably illegally Wink

* Truecrypt has a horrible non-GUI implementation on Linux. Sigh. Was
able to mount and map small volumes, but it gave me a weird error when I
tried to mount a large NTFS-formatted volume


On the Dell, so far -

* wireless networking did not work until I installed Network Manager and
could use it for the WPA-PSK/TKIP encrypted router protocol I use.
Normal Ubuntu networking is lame in comparison to Network Manager, it seems.

to be continued...
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Bruce Stewart
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Beve Stallmer wrote:

> I'm back to Linux after abandoning it in its Suse form a few years ago.
> Unfortunately I've forgotten 90% of what I learned about Linux back
> then, so here I go again!
>
> Finally managed to get 6.0.6.1 installed onto my Vaio and a Dell, both
> newish laptops. The LIVE CD stalled at mounting the file system, but a
> slow reburn of the alternative CD seemed to work. Put Ubuntu on the
> final 10GB partition on the disks, both have WinXP Pro on their C drive.
> Both times I ended up with one EXT3 Linux partition and one SWAP Linux
> partition, whereas I would have preferred 3 Linux partitions: swap, home
> and system.
>
> In addition, there are numerous other problems, although I have had an
> attitudinal change that makes them seem like *fun* rather than
> infuriating.
>
> It is important that people realize that Linux offers you the chance to
> tinker with configuration, learn a lot of new stuff, feel achievement as
> you conquer problems, and all for free! It's actually good deal, and I
> do not say that sarcastically.
>
> On my Vaio, many problems, irritations and gotchas, or, as I now call
> them, /opportunities/ -
>
> * Could not browse my NTFS volumes until I messed around (added entries)
> in "fstab" or some similarly named file
>

Unless a partition is mounted, the contents of a filesystem is
effectively "invisible", this applies to any *nix.

> * I'm struggling to come to terms with my inability to make folders as
> an ordinary user while using the file browsing facility in Ubuntu. In
> Suse you could quickly pop into admin mode and do this from within the
> file browser ... is there a way in ubuntu or must I open a console
> window and start typing commands? In fact, how can I quickly become an
> admin while in the GUI? (Softball question for ya!)
>

Usually any folders you would need to create are in your home directory,
there you would have full permissions. If you are creating directories
somewhere else for shared usage say (/var/data) it might be worthwhile
creating that directory and then chmoding it so that any users on the
machine can access it, then you can create and delete directories within it
without any problems.

> * Headset's microphone does not work with Skype test call or the default
> sound recorder utility in Ubuntu. I'm going to have to play with ALSA
> and OSS and something else (actual sound card). There seems also to be
> some confusion between my headphones and the USB speakers, with sounds
> routed inappropriately ....
>
> * "Skype for Linux" does not seem to have video abilities (in fact, my
> webcam light glows all the time but I seem to have no way to address it
> or use it). Is Skype for Linux so far behind?
>
No idea. Smile If they are anything like Adobe, probably.

> * The default-installed music player chokes on MP3 files, which I found
> amazing. Must install Amarok, I think.
>
MP3 is patent encumbered format, so unless you pay the license fees you
can't redistribute the appropriate libs. This applies to OpenSUSE amd
Fedora as well.
You can download the libs from the universe repositories I believe.

> * On shutdown, the machine hangs with the built-in laptop speakers
> making occasional spitting sounds. Hard crash needing power button.
>
Don't know anything about this. Have you checked the UbuntuForums?

> * Where can I get all the M$ fonts? I remember getting Arial etc on my
> Suse install, probably illegally Wink
>

Use EasyUbuntu ( http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/index.html ) or Automatix
( http://www.getautomatix.com/ )to help for this, these allow you to
download some other items as well.

> * Truecrypt has a horrible non-GUI implementation on Linux. Sigh. Was
> able to mount and map small volumes, but it gave me a weird error when I
> tried to mount a large NTFS-formatted volume
>

Not something I've even heard about
..
>
> On the Dell, so far -
>
> * wireless networking did not work until I installed Network Manager and
> could use it for the WPA-PSK/TKIP encrypted router protocol I use.
> Normal Ubuntu networking is lame in comparison to Network Manager, it
> seems.
>
> to be continued...

It appears Network Manager is going to be the standard for a lot of Linux
distros, I had problems with it on OpenSUSE 10.1 with a 802.11b card, but
using the standard YaST set up, it set up first time.

Bruce S.

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Andres E. Hernando
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In alt.os.linux.ubuntu Beve Stallmer <stall-more RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote:
[...]
>
> * The default-installed music player chokes on MP3 files, which I found
> amazing. Must install Amarok, I think.
>
[...]
> * Where can I get all the M$ fonts? I remember getting Arial etc on my
> Suse install, probably illegally Wink
>

Hi!

The *very* useful guide "Prepping Dapper for Everyday Use"
has instructions on how to get all the windows fonts in Ubuntu and
something on the MP3 player.

http://www.beginningubuntu.com/dapper_tips.html#Add_Windows_fonts
http://www.beginningubuntu.com/dapper_tips.html#Install_XMMS_the_old-s...ol_MP3_

Best,
Andres.

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Beve Stallmer
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Andres E. Hernando wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> The *very* useful guide "Prepping Dapper for Everyday Use"
> has instructions on how to get all the windows fonts in Ubuntu and
> something on the MP3 player.
>
> http://www.beginningubuntu.com/dapper_tips.html#Add_Windows_fonts
> http://www.beginningubuntu.com/dapper_tips.html#Install_XMMS_the_old-s...ol_MP3_


Guys, thanks for all these excellent replies. I'm going to be
referencing all points you raise as I go forward!
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Roger Brown
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:19:57 -0700
Beve Stallmer <stall-more.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:

> * I'm struggling to come to terms with my inability to make folders
> as an ordinary user while using the file browsing facility in Ubuntu.
>

Install Midnight Commander (using apt/synaptic) and create a menu
item/shortcut opening it as root. Works better with xterm than the
default gnome terminal as the latter grabs the function keys that mc
also uses.

So 'xterm -e sudo mc'

> * The default-installed music player chokes on MP3 files, which I
> found amazing. Must install Amarok, I think.

Have you not yet discovered Automatix?
http://www.getautomatix.com/


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Beve Stallmer
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Beve Stallmer wrote:

> - The Linux GUI/s is/are much faster and snappier

There are ways to do this, apparently:
http://martin.ankerl.org/2006/08/16/how-to-make-firefox-40-percent-faster/
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arthur
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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One question... Why not one of the major "mature" distros?

My time is priceless ... not to be wasted on teenage distros. I am
opting for SuSe this time around.

Just another ancient hacker retrying linux for the toy ( play? )
value. Like a 66in TV, ... something I really do not need.

My opinion and belief system, so arguing is pointess.

arthur
Esc, CA
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:19:57 -0700, Beve Stallmer <stall-more RemoveThis @cox.net>
wrote:

>I'm back to Linux after abandoning it in its Suse form a few years ago.
>Unfortunately I've forgotten 90% of what I learned about Linux back
>then, so here I go again!
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Beve Stallmer
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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arthur wrote:
> One question... Why not one of the major "mature" distros?
>
> My time is priceless ... not to be wasted on teenage distros. I am
> opting for SuSe this time around.
>
> Just another ancient hacker retrying linux for the toy ( play? )
> value. Like a 66in TV, ... something I really do not need.
>
> My opinion and belief system, so arguing is pointess.
>
> arthur
> Esc, CA
> ==
>
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:19:57 -0700, Beve Stallmer <stall-more.DeleteThis@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm back to Linux after abandoning it in its Suse form a few years ago.
>> Unfortunately I've forgotten 90% of what I learned about Linux back
>> then, so here I go again!

Hi Art

Escondido .. spent many shopping hours here when I lived in Vista.

I'm ancient too (50), and yes, I like Suse and almost stayed with 9.0 a
few years ago, before it bit the dust for me on USB issues.

Commenting on your comment to another thread, using Linux on a dedicated
machine for Internet-only access is quite smart, although overkill if
you know what you're doing with Windows. I'd say my chief objections to
that are 1) running two machines all the time costs $$$ per year in
electricity, and 2) the hassle of moving stuff like updates from one
machine to another.
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arthur
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I excel at confusion. Sorry. To make clearer, we really do, do,
Personal Computing here so sharing resouces makes sense. eg Internet
Connection, printer, etc. We are stuck with dialup for the time being
as our abode connects to (excuse the cure word) Adelphia. SBC wants
what I consider robbery for DSL. I do have DSNKong installed for
almost 99% commercials free surfing. Love it.

Btw, we stay at the Ext Stay near Palm when we go to LV to gawk and
walk.

arthur
esc, ca
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:43:13 -0700, Beve Stallmer <stall-more.TakeThisOut@cox.net>
wrote:
>
>Hi Art
>
>Escondido .. spent many shopping hours here when I lived in Vista.
>
>I'm ancient too (50), and yes, I like Suse and almost stayed with 9.0 a
>few years ago, before it bit the dust for me on USB issues.
>
>Commenting on your comment to another thread, using Linux on a dedicated
>machine for Internet-only access is quite smart, although overkill if
>you know what you're doing with Windows. I'd say my chief objections to
>that are 1) running two machines all the time costs $$$ per year in
>electricity, and 2) the hassle of moving stuff like updates from one
>machine to another.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:33 am    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Beve Stallmer <stall-more RemoveThis @cox.net> writes:

> arthur wrote:
>> One question... Why not one of the major "mature" distros? My time
>> is priceless ... not to be wasted on teenage distros. I am
>> opting for SuSe this time around. Just another ancient hacker
>> retrying linux for the toy ( play? )
>> value. Like a 66in TV, ... something I really do not need.
>> My opinion and belief system, so arguing is pointess.
>> arthur
>> Esc, CA
>> ==
>> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:19:57 -0700, Beve Stallmer
>> <stall-more RemoveThis @cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm back to Linux after abandoning it in its Suse form a few years
>>> ago. Unfortunately I've forgotten 90% of what I learned about Linux
>>> back then, so here I go again!
>
> Hi Art
>
> Escondido .. spent many shopping hours here when I lived in Vista.
>
> I'm ancient too (50), and yes, I like Suse and almost stayed with 9.0
> a few years ago, before it bit the dust for me on USB issues.

Q: how can SUSE be any worse than any other distro if everone is "near
enough" latest kernel?
>
> Commenting on your comment to another thread, using Linux on a
> dedicated machine for Internet-only access is quite smart, although
> overkill if you know what you're doing with Windows. I'd say my chief
> objections to that are 1) running two machines all the time costs $$$
> per year in electricity, and 2) the hassle of moving stuff like
> updates from one machine to another.
>

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arthur
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:33 am    Post subject: Re: Climbing Mount Ubuntu [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Oui. Linux current means previous generation h/w will possibly work,
but never ass^ume.

neguhe
(rot13)

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 04:33:15 +0200, Hadron Quark
<hadronquark.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Q: how can SUSE be any worse than any other distro if everone is "near
>enough" latest kernel?
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I'd be also interested in some new music, but rock. Thank you very much!

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