system tray errors?

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

how is this going on does anyone know?

i've got about 20 or 30 icons that are to be in the system tray so i can use the programs when i need to use the settings in them.

thats normal

but what is going on is that only 3 or 4 of them show when the computer boots.?

some times only one shows.

how ever if i install a program all the ones that are to show do so.
until i reboot.

i've gone in to the taskbar properties and set the hide show settings for the icons that need to show to always show.

but no matter what they don't show up. the ones that are to show up when used. do so. but the speaker icon is one of these that are not showing up even the one for the realtec sound mixer is not showing up.

some times the clock does not show.?

i've gone threw all my tweaking programs and checked to make sure there was nothing made to turn them off, and set them to all show as i said above and i still can not get them to show after a reboot. Sad

what the xp is going on here. Shocked

zlim · Joined: Mar 11, 2005 Posts: 2747

http://www.tech-pro.net/howto_013.html

Quote:

The cause of this problem is not known, but it's almost certainly a bug in Windows XP.

followed by

Quote:

There is no known solution, but there are workarounds that may reduce the frequency of this annoying occurrence.

Read through the article and it mentions: start delay and use a startup manager.

Here's another article with additional information
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2006/01/04/system-tray-icon-missing-from...stem-tr

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

maybe you misunderstood the error.

but the programs all start. they just don't show their icons. only 3 or 4 of them do on reboots.

maybe it does need a start up delay but i don't see what that would do
when they are starting now and not showing the icon. if they are delayed they will still be started and still not show the icon?

Shocked

goretsky · Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:49 am Post subject:

Hello,

By any chance, do you have a video card with an ATI chipset? If so, you may wish to verify you have the latest device drivers installed for your video card.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

whats funny is that i have the ati drivers for the onboard video which i think is what gigibyt uses.

and on the other computer next to me it has an old ati dvd 8 card in it and the icons show up all the time.

this one does not?

and yes i just got the new catalyst that was released in the last 3 days.

but it did not help. Sad

zlim · Joined: Mar 11, 2005 Posts: 2747

I understood perfectly what you said. If you looked at the articles, you would see this mentioned
After you start the computer, one or more of the icons that should be present in the system tray (notification area) of the Taskbar are often missing.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

okay it seems i misunderstood your reply. Embarassed

but i checked the page and found out it is my fault as i have been trying to get the network to work again. since it stopped like it did before when i had winme and xp linked by nic cards.

so i been messing with the services trying to see which is not letting the network work?

i'll have to try what it said on that site and see if i can get them back.

i also found another error today. hope the services i try and change will fix it too.

Smile

zlim · Joined: Mar 11, 2005 Posts: 2747

Be sure to check the BlackViper site so you don't disable something that should not be. Follow his "safe" setting column and you should be okay.

micker377 · Joined: May 27, 2005 Posts: 1059

This is "normal" with XP. I've had it for years. I just got in the habit of logging off - then on (even though I'm the only user). For some reason, XP doesn't properly apply YOUR full profile on boot.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

i too tried that logging off and on but it did not help in this case.

it was some service as said on that page, which one i don't know.

i just went through them all in the list on the mzultimate tweaker, and set the ones that were ones i knew i some times used or might use to automatic instead of manual and turn the disabled ones to automatic.

now all the system tray icons show up well almost all of them.
one is being a pain in the chair cover. Rolling Eyes

it will load and run but it won't show its icon. which is how it needs you to control its options. or start a second one of it and then it shows the icon, or go into the folder and open its data file and use notepad to change them.

i prefer the system tray icon but am doing the others now.

Cool

hamhox · Joined: Oct 21, 2006 Posts: 92

I have been dealing with Tray icon issues lately too, tho I have the opposite problem: I want to have only 5 icons showing, those I will be clicking on to do certain things. By default, there are several others which W2K puts in the tray, and I can't stand the clutter, so I went looking and found Mike Lin's Traysaver.
When installed, this utility puts its own icon in the tray. Right-clicking gets you a list of all icons in the tray, and you can choose to hide them by using this access. The applet is not perfect, and will show/hide certain icons according to its own whim, showing a given icon at startup this time but not the next. I am using it in conjunction with another utility 'PowerMenu', which allows you to 'Minimize to Tray' any program running minimized to Taskbar.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

i found some more info on this error.

so i'm back to tell you what is going on now.

as above i said i turned on all the services i could think of so that is good right? the icons show up.

how ever i have been for the last month having trouble with the power scheme settings not saving my setting i want. and the thing returns to the default setting on rebooting.

i've got a bat file code from a friend and if i click on the file it will change
the power scheme setting. but i wanted it to run automaticly so i've been trying to put it in the start up or in the autoexc file to run on boot up.

i've got it to run the bat file but it won't change the power scheme setting.

how ever it does prevent the icons from showing again ??? so there is something between the power scheme and the system tray that is causing the errors.

i've checked and double checked and even quatro checked my tweaking programs and there is no setting there to turn off the power scheme.

but all checking of it does show me the power scheme gui and user settings are disabled..

so when i get that bat file to run it is making the power scheme work which in turn messes up the system tray.

now i want the power scheme to work so if i can get that back to enabled i'll find a 3d party program to load my start up stuff in the order i want which should fix the icon trouble in the tray.

so can anyone tell me how to enable the power scheme. Surprised

drwho07 · Joined: Nov 29, 2007 Posts: 2240 Location: Central FL, USA

In XP, if you right click an open space on the taskbar and then click Properties you will see a box that says "Hide Inactive icons".
Do you have that box checked?

Doc Cool

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

yes i am using xp pro sp3. no doc i don't have it checked.

it is as i said in post right above your last one.

the power scheme is disabled.
if i enable it i can get to change my power scheme settings.
but it will mess with the system tray.

how ever the only way i've been able to enable the power scheme is with a bat file code and it won't do the command in the bat file but it does enable the power scheme to try and do it. but only for the allotted time the bat file is trying to run.

but that little bit will mess up the system tray in loading the apps. its not just the icons that don't load they apps are prevented from loading.

i thought it was just the icons but have lately found out the apps are not loading when the power scheme is trying to run, when i reboot with the bat file removed from the startup line up of apps. then all the apps load and show in the system tray.

if i do that and then click on that bat file to run it. the power scheme will change to the settings i want but it wont save the settings. so the bat file is just acting like a shortcut to the power scheme gui. and me clicking on the setting. so i can just go there and do that with out the bat file.

there is something really messing with the power scheme and the loading of the apps in the system tray. i can't figure out what it is as i can't find anything that looks out of norm to me.

Sad

davolente · Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 361 Location: Kent, UK

Twenty or thirty does seem to be a rather large number of icons associated with start-up programs to be rustling up at boot-up. Doesn't it slow your boot-up and also the machine, in general?
Are you absolutely sure you need ALL those on boot-up? You might find the machine running a tad faster if you weed out a few non-essentials or use a start-up manager and put a long delay on some.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

well there is 13 or 14 programs i start or have start up in the system tray.

the others are what ever the os and other programs start and run in the background. they don't all show icons in the tray, so i think i got it cut down to basic needed items on this system. for me but what ever the system wants i can't cut them out.

the system is not a slow booting one it is fast all my systems have this many items i have set to start and all boot fast with them.

the trouble is with this one system the power scheme is not able to be reset to what i want. it is disabled some how? and it won't let me change and save what i change it to after i reboot. it is always back to the default.

but if i do get it to enable for changing the setting like i said with a bat file.
it won't change the setting. and it stops some of the loading apps from loading not just mine but i've found it is stopping some of the systems boot up apps from loading also.

i'd really like to know what is going on with this, if any programmer from microsoft ever reads this, fix your stuff.

it has to be one of the updates in the last month or so that is messing with me but as i said i'm not able to see anything that is messed up or out of normal setting.

only thing i can say now for sure is that some thing is messing with the power scheme and system tray.

Sad

i could use a good start up manager if you know of a free one. last one i had was start right but it is not working anymore so i took it out long ago.

if there is any newer free one that works on xp pro. i'd be glad to know what it is and which you are using. thanks.

Smile

davolente · Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 361 Location: Kent, UK

There is one incorporated into WinPatrol, which is a program worth running in itself, although it is yet another icon to add to the system tray! Still, if some others have been cut out this is a worthy security addition.
http://www.winpatrol.com/

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

okay i'll look at it again. been awhile since i had win patrol but i never got it worrking on the old win98 system i had. might be better suited for xp.?

just another security program? not sure but i think it might have been a security update from ms that is causing this mess.??

but i'll look at win patrol again. thanks.
Very Happy

anymore that are just a load up manager that is free?? Confused

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

well i looked at it again.

and again i have taken winpatrol out. this time for reasons it mucked up my system so bad i still can't get it fixed proper.

now i got more errors then i had before. hope i will get them fixed in awhile but not sure.

it not only gave me more errors it also didn't speed up my boot up but slowed it down by 5 minutes..

i got no use for it and took it out. if it works for you great. but it don't work on my system.

what did it do?

1. removed settings for items i wanted to start when i booted up.
2. caused multiple folders to open on boot up which had no reason to open up and has nothing in them anyway.?
3. i'm not sure if it did it or not but i'm now missing some drivers which are listed in autoruns. as file not found.

4. made the system tray even more unstable.
5. over all just pis..... me off.

davolente · Joined: Oct 04, 2003 Posts: 361 Location: Kent, UK

I would venture to suggest that you had major problems on the machine long before trying WinPatrol. Perhaps you could have described the symptoms a little more clearly and fixed the your main problems before attempting to run other programs as a stab in the dark. WinPatrol is a well-respected program that runs as a preventative and security measure and I doubt whether it's contributed to your problems directly. I take it you have checked for malware/viruses? You seem to have so many different symptoms, it looks to be hard for ANYONE to advise!