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The Franchise
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 Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: no internet from Linux live CD |
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Hi,
Because of the thread started by techdunce ( creating bootdisk (gparted) cant get it to work ?) I burned 3 different Linux live CD's. Everything looked great on all 3 until I tried to use the web browsers.Could not connect to the internet. I have 2 Knoppix CD's that I got from an internet source and I can reach the internet with them. What might be wrong or better yet what am I doing wrong? Tomorrow I'll download a Knoppix ISO and see if I can reach the internet with it.
Jimmy 
Edit by seaeagle: Moved to Linux Fanatics & added link to techdunce's topic |
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Baby_Tux
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| It depends on the exact distro you are using as to how but the NIC has to be set up.
Give me a list of what ones you are trying & I'll see if I can help.
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The Franchise
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Hello babytux,
SLAX Basic,SLAX popcorn,DSL linux.
Jimmy |
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Baby_Tux
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Here is SLAX's info;
networking
Let my know if this helps or not. - I don't have DSL yet, will get it & let you know. |
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The Franchise
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Babytux,
Don't know if I can attempt what Slax calls for.
I did finish an iso download of Knoppix and I'm sending this from it so now I know it's not the wa yI did it but in the way of configurung Slax.
Will try.Thanks for the help.
Jimmy |
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Baby_Tux
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Yeah, just like M$, it has to be set right to work. But as that link says, if you have your system (isp or your router) set for DHCP it should just go.
Are you DHCP? (I assume you know what this is) |
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The Franchise
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Babytux,
Been away for a while. I have a vague notion about DHCP.Would you enlighten me more?I'm running SBC /Yahoo DsL ,a network of 2 pc's.
modem--router-games pc
photos pc
from what I can tell photos pc has a DHCP server listed but the other does not.
The Knoppix works so I should be happy but I want to know why it's not working.
Jimmy(The Franchise) 
Added info: Tried Digipup.This edit was made from Digipup. |
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Baby_Tux
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) is the automatic method of getting an IP address. Where as STATIC you have to enter it yourself. To put it simply.
From what I gathered from what you said, you have a router in the mix. I would assume that it is set up for DHCP since the knoppix is working. As I think I mentioned, slax does act up at times. You may be one of those times.
Does ALL of your slax D/L's (downloads) do this? Are there any error messages? Who set up your network? - I get some more time, I'll refresh my memory by looking at it & maybe something will click. At the moment I am at a loss. - & if you feel it is beyond you at the moment then it probably would be better to get you up to speed BEFORE tackling it then. But that is up to you.
Just saw where you used digipup. (the best "out of the box" working one I've found) One I DO use & am more familiar with. I DO know that you have to run a "setup program" to connect in it & it calls the DHCP - otherwise you enter it (I think - I use DHCP) so if all you did was run the program & go, then you are DHCP & there is something screwy with the slax. May be a bad D/L or burn.
I have distros that for one reason or another just wouldn't work right, from not at all to some minor annoyance. That is one "nice" thing about this, you find out what works for you & what you like BEFORE you commit to it.
Try some others & see what happens. Slax or other puppy's or whatever... My CD collection of these is currently 2 inches high in the original "blank" spindle & growing. |
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@Home
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:04 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Are you sure that your NIC is being recognized and the proper driver is installed in the non Knoppix distros? What result do you get from typing 'ifconfig' at the command prompt? If nothing other than 'lo' shows up, I would guess your NIC isn't recognized by that distro. If you get something other than lo (e.g. eth0) what are the results of 'dmesg | grep XXXX'? (replace XXXX with the other result, e.g. eth0) |
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The Franchise
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Hi,
In SLAX no ipconfig but netconfig will come up. It asks for a host name then a domain name then I can choose btwn static ip,dhcp,loopback then dhcp host name.nothing seems to work. I am now trying to figure what all of these are:
1. host name
2.domain name
3.dhcp host name
I can use Knoppix,Fedora,Digipup
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Baby_Tux
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Check that command again, it is NOT iPconfig, it is iFconfig...
Remember, this is NOT M$. 
Here are the very basic meanings of the terms - suggest you google each one for a clearer understanding...
HOST NAME = name of computer
DOMAIN NAME = name of the "domain" network you want to connect to - corresponds to the IP address
DHCP HOST NAME = the DHCP "SERVER" |
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The Franchise
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Thanks. I'll try the ifconfig.I've looked for each term and I'm trying to connect the numbers to each.Will let you know if I figure them out.
Jimmy
Got this from Slax Kilbill:
link encap:local loopback
inet addr: 127.0.0.1
mask: 255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
3:25pm cst 10/02/07 Jimmy |
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@Home
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Check that command again, it is NOT iPconfig, it is iFconfig...
Remember, this is NOT M$. Wink |
Oops, I know what the problem was, I wrote that from XP - and it automatically translated 'ifconfig' to ipconfig! LOL   Yeah, Right!
Jimmy, all your getting is 'lo' (127.0.0.1) also known as loopback. So, more than likely Slax doesn't recognize your NIC or doesn't have the appropriate driver. If you type 'lspci' at the command prompt, you should get an output similar to this: (if lspci is available on that distro)
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Main ~ # lspci
00:00.0 Memory controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Memory Controller (rev a3)
00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 ISA Bridge (rev a3)
00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation CK804 SMBus (rev a2)
00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a2)
00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 IDE (rev a2)
00:07.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev a3)
00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev a3)
00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 Ethernet Controller (rev a3)
00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
00:0d.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
00:0e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT] (rev a1)
05:07.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)
05:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
05:0a.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 07) |
On about the 10th line, you see I have an nVidia Ethernet controller - and in my case, I have the 'forcedeth' module (the driver for that controller) built into my kernel. IF Slax recognizes the card, the output from lsmod may be helpful to you. Here's mine:
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Main net # lsmod
Module Size Used by
snd_seq_midi 6976 0
snd_emu10k1_synth 6656 0
snd_emux_synth 29376 1 snd_emu10k1_synth
snd_seq_virmidi 5888 1 snd_emux_synth
snd_seq_midi_event 6784 2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_virmidi
snd_seq_midi_emul 5824 1 snd_emux_synth
snd_seq 48480 5 snd_seq_midi,snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_midi_emul
snd_pcm_oss 39264 0
snd_mixer_oss 14528 1 snd_pcm_oss
fuse 34416 10
snd_emu10k1 128656 2 snd_emu10k1_synth
snd_rawmidi 20512 3 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1
snd_ac97_codec 106568 1 snd_emu10k1
ac97_bus 2688 1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm 73288 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec
snd_seq_device 6932 5 snd_seq_midi,snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
snd_timer 19784 3 snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 8272 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
snd_util_mem 4032 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1
snd_hwdep 7816 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1
snd 50488 14 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep
soundcore 6800 1 snd
nvidia 6998436 36 |
Now, you do see nvidia there, but that's the driver for my video card. As I said, the driver for the network is built into the kernel. Modules, in this case, are generally drivers that are installed to memory during the boot process. The advantage to this is drivers that aren't used frequently don't have to be installed - until they're needed, thus saving memory. The downside to building into the kernel is that newer drivers may come along and you won't be able to use them until you update the kernel.
FYI, the command lspci means l i s t pci - in other words, list the items connected to the pci bus. Following that, lsmod means list the modules currently installed/active on your system.
So, if lspci gives you a hint as to what NIC you have, then it's a matter of finding the correct Linux driver for it and installing it. As you say you have networking in Knoppix, you might try booting that and running these commands to see what Knoppix says you have - and what driver is needed. For example: nVidia chipset=forcedeth; broadcom=8139too(depending on the specific model); intelpro10/100=e100/e1000. Once you have identified the chipset (not necessarily the brand name of the card, you can look around on the internet to find the appropriate driver.
To boil all of this down to a few simple steps, 1) Figure out which chipset you have, 2) determine which driver is needed for that chipset, 3) Find out whether Slax has that driver available - a Slax user forum may help there, as well as instruction on how to install it.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Yessir, MY head hurts too, now! I just spent 45 minutes trying to locate a driver for that controller!
According to the first picture, you have an Intel 82801g lan controller. I don't see anything in the 2nd picture that looks like a driver for it. I did find one site Linux Ethernet Drivers that mentioned that MAYBE the e100 or eepro100 might work. Or not.
Maybe the easiest thing to do is put that Knoppix live cd in and run the same commands and see if the e100 or eepro100 modules come up? You could also go to the Slax Forum and roam around there for some ideas. Most of the distros have user forums that can be pretty helpful. These folks use that particular distro and have probably run into the same problem and found fixes for it!
Good Luck and sorry I couldn't be MORE helpful! |
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The Franchise
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Hello @Home,
This is sent from Slax popcorn.Found the e 100 in Knoppix ,went to the Slax forum,searched for e 100,saw a problem like mine, uesd the solution suggested and here I am! This is what worked: in terminal :
modprobe e100
ifconfig eth0 up
dhcpcd eth0
Have to do it everytime but ,hey ,I can use the web now!
Many thanks for all the help .Could not have done it without you and BabyTux
Jimmy |
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seaeagle
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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If you use KDE, you might want to create a script and place it in your KDE autostart folder so that it runs automatically whenever you log in.
You should find the folder at /home/username/.kde/Autostart . |
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The Franchise
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Seaeagle,
Know of any good info on how to create scripts? I did do one at one time but it's been a while ago.I'll try it .I'll search for a how to.
Thanks for the help.
Jimmy |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Well, I'm glad I could help! 
You should be able to start your network automatically during the boot up process. In the Gentoo world, you do this:
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| rc-update add net.wlan0 default |
That says that after Gentoo boots and enters the DEFAULT run-level is should start the wireless network. This calls a script (included in the system) that references a config file that contains things like the dhcpcd command, etc. I believe that Gentoo differs from other distros in how it starts various services at boot and where the scripts and config files are located. So, unless there's somebody else here that's familiar with Slax, it may mean another trip to the Slax forum. |
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