half truths

al bundy · Joined: Jun 26, 2004 Posts: 938

al bores movie should be called half truths instead of inconvient truth.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/21/060821191826.o0mynclv.html

Werebo

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Using maps from the 19th century and current satellite observations, the scientists were able to conclude that "70 percent of the glaciers have been shrinking regularly since the end of the 1880s at a rate of around eight meters per year," Yde said.

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"A three-to-four degree increase of the temperature on Greenland from 1920 to 1930, and the increase recorded since 1995 has sped up the ice melt," he said.

Quote 1 - Just about the time of the 'Industrial Revolution' getting into full swing....

Quote 2 - Just about the time of the masive industrial rebuilding after WW1....

OK, it doesn't prove it's mankind's fault, but it doesn't disprove Mankind's involvement either Wink

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silmaril8n · Joined: Jan 29, 2004 Posts: 1743 Location: Phoenix, AZ

Werebo

patio · Joined: Feb 03, 2004 Posts: 5598

How the heck can an 18th Century map accurately project the size of glaciers ? ? ?

Rolling Eyes

Werebo

1 example that leaps to mind is that it would show the size of the glacial field then, compare it to now and measure the difference...

xavierx · Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 5427

I'm betting the key word in patio's comment is "accurately".

Werebo

It was about the 18th century that map-making/cartography developed any true accuracy regarding land features etc.

Source....

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On that topic, a recent TV program showed a clacier somewhere on the North American continent that has receded considerably (hundreds of feet) over just the past few dacades. Men are still alive that remember where the edge of it was just fifty or so years ago. Seeing is believing.

Our envelope of air surrounding our planet is just like the air in any other closed environment. Add heat and it will heat up. If that were NOT true, then we'd never get our homes warm in the winter.

Some of the heat we generate radiates off into space, but much of it does NOT but is caught by impurities in our own atmosphere. This atmosphereic heating is much worse in the industrial belt around the northern hemisphere.

Any sixth grade science student knows that. It doesn't require a college prof to GET IT.

Here in FL. we have no heavy industry and therefor NO industrial haze. As soon as the sun sets below the trees our temps start coming down, even on the hottest summer day. Recently our nighttime temps are down in the low 70's. I remember nights in Iowa and Illinois when the night temps were still in the upper 80's or low 90's.

One guy I went flying with one day in Illinois, pointed out the haze that hid the horizon. He told me he hadn't been able to see the horizon if over 20 years. (Industrial haze.) And, that was at least 20 years ago.

When this closed environment we call Earth cannot radiate its man made heat into space, because of air polution, it's going to get warmer. It's the most simple physics, not Rocket Science or black magic.

After we kill ourselves off, the Earth will heal itself. Wink

Y'all have a nice (warm) day now, Y'hear?

Shadow Cool

donrc · Joined: Feb 16, 2003 Posts: 882

sil,
The only problem is that there is a price tag on that small footprint. Last estimate I saw (Bjorn Lomborg, The Skeptical Environmentalist) was 5 trillion dollars.

There are still several million people in the world who are starving. Under those circumstances it becomes a matter of the efficient use of scarce resources. I don't think that the warming of 0.4 to 0.8 degrees centigrade since 1865 qualifies as efficient use under those circumstances.

drc

patio · Joined: Feb 03, 2004 Posts: 5598

Gary66 · Joined: Sep 01, 2005 Posts: 8353

al bundy · Joined: Jun 26, 2004 Posts: 938

i cant answer any questions but i can add more to the debate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/5283278.stm

Gary66 · Joined: Sep 01, 2005 Posts: 8353

GLOBAL WARMING CAUSING GLACIERS TO GROW

donrc · Joined: Feb 16, 2003 Posts: 882

gary,
Doesn't that repeal the first law of thermodynamics? Cool

drc