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Philocalist



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Best / fastest data transfer between PC's?

Need some advice on data transfer please?
One relatively fast PC running XP, the other very fast running Vista (or is that a contradiction in terms? Laughing )
What I need to know is the fastest and best way to transfer files between them? They are less than 2 metres apart. Typically, I'm transferring several hundred MB at a time, quite often several GB. Transfers could be a single file, or multple small files within a folder.
Options I appear to have are as follows:
Both PCs have Firewire. Xp has 'standard' USB, Vista has USB2. Wireless / bluetooth transfer is currently not an option, but would be considered if it offered a major improvement.
Both PC's are wired into a Linksys Wireless G Broadband router, and it is this 'route' that is currently in use for transfer, which works OK ... I'd just very much like to speed things up a little!
Thanks
Peter W
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zlim



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject:

Remove them from the router and use a crossover cable. The speed will be a max of 100Mbps.
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12quidkidinnit



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject:

Could be done with firewire. I've managed to do this and it's possible to get 400 mbps. But I found it was occasionally unreliable, in that even with the correct permissions set, the computers sometimes didn't communicate properly with each other. When it worked, it was good and quick. I used a firewire cable with 6 pin connectors at each end.
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Philocalist



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:31 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the responses, although I'm afraid that they raise more questions:
zlim ... can you elaborate on the use of a crossover cable please? ... what precisely is it, and how would it effect internet connection (if I've removed them from the router)? Confused

12quidkidinnit ... since I first posted the question, I've done a little more digging about, and everything I read tells me that I unfortunately cannot connect a Vista PC with an XP PC via Firewire (for data transfer) ... apparently it's a facility unavailable / unsupported on Vista? Shocked
Have you actually got this to work, and how? Confused

Thanks Smile
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:26 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Being old and still a bit "Old School" I might use the "Sneaker Net".

That's where you copy the files to some removable media, like a floppy, CD or flash drive and carry it over to the other PC and reload the files.
Then, distance is NO problemo!

I'm sure mom will tell you, but doing a direct connect from one PC to another PC using a network cable, demands that you use a CrossOver cable.
In the old "Serial Transfer Cable" days, those were called a "Nul-Modem" cable.
They are available at most stores that sell computer related cables.
"LapLink" used to put out a kit, with all the necessary cables and software to transfer data from PC to PC. If this is going to be an on-going project, you might want to check that out.

Cheers Mate!
The Doctor

Google "Laplink" for much more information on direct cable connections and data transfer.
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zlim



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

You can buy crossover cable but IMO, that's a waste of money.
I have one of these http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/SearchDetail.asp?productID=10380
You attach it to one end of ordinary Cat 5 cable and it turns it into a crossover cable. Put one end of the cable in the RJ45 of one computer and the other end in the RJ45 of the other computer and they are now networked. Use the ordinary file transfer that you'd do between XP and Vista. That I can't help with because I run 2K and linux only.

You can also go through the router, with ordinary cat 5. I just feel that taking the router out of the picture would give you greater transfer speed - that's what you said you were looking for. I haven't tested it so my "feeling" is extremely unscientific.

The other option is to purchase an external hard drive, attach it to your router and just put the files you want to share on there. Each computer goes to the external hd and grabs what it needs when it needs it. No need to transfer from one computer to the other because the files will be available to both of them any time.
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BudDurland



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Best / fastest data transfer between PC's? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Do the computers in question have gigabit network cards? Small gigabit switches can be had for $50 or so.
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Best / fastest data transfer between PC's? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

If this is NOT a one time thing, but will be more or less 'Permanent', then you want some solution that does NOT involve unplugging and re-plugging your LAN cables. That's a recipe for disaster.

Using a parallel or even serial data transfer cable that can be connected and left alone is by far the best and even the safest solution to the problem.

I regularly need to transfer data from my PC to my FTA receiver via a RS232 serial cable. For safety, I just leave the cable connected all the time. That removes the possibility of arcing and sparking when cables are connected or disconnected.

If you have parallel printer ports on both computers, that aren't being used, that would be my favorite data path, using a parallel data transfer cable.
The RS232 Serial ports would be my next choice.
But whatever path you select, connect it once and then leave it alone.

Whenever you're connecting or disconnecting cables from your motherboard, make sure the computer(s) involved is shut OFF.
Also, both computers should be on a common ground.
Just a little hint from the ol' "Voice of Experience".

good luck,
The Doctor
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Philocalist



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Thanks to you all for your efforts, but for various reasons, I'm afraid I'm still looking for a solution.
Crossover / CAT5 cabling seems to make little if any difference to the transfer speed (when the router is removed from the equation). Confused

The external drive is already an option ... there's a huge one sat here, but what I want / need to do is transfer files between PC's, rather than hold them on a mutually accessable drive. Naturally, I could go from XP to the drive, then onto Vista, but this would defeat the speed aspect of my search Sad
'Sneakernet' isn't the answer, for the same reasons.
Gigabyte internet may be, but I've then the issue of fitting cards etc, and at this stage I'm 90%+ certain that this isn't an option on the XP machine, as I can't even find space in there to fit a USB2 card (which is currently appearing to be the solution of choice Very Happy )

SO .... unless anyone can come up with a better alternative, I guess that I'm perhaps looking at two further questions?

1 / Can anyone throw any light on a way to link XP to Vista via Firewire, in a way that will allow file transfer? At this stage, I need nothing more, just the ability to transfer files.
Bear in mind however, that anything I can currently find online seems to indicate that this cannot be done, though it would not surprise me at all to find that someone has found a workaround Very Happy Let's be honest here ... Microsoft are not exactly infallible Laughing
2 / Can I add USB2 to the XP machine, in a way that does not requiure the installation of an internal card (no space) ... and is it possible that my older XP machine does not in fact support USB2 (and how would I establish that?) Confused

Thanks for the help! Very Happy
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Indrajit



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

If u want to transfer data from one comp to another which are on the same network, then why take so much trouble. Just share one folder in the network and copy data to the other from the shared folder!!
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12quidkidinnit



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Philocalist wrote:
12quidkidinnit ... since I first posted the question, I've done a little more digging about, and everything I read tells me that I unfortunately cannot connect a Vista PC with an XP PC via Firewire (for data transfer) ... apparently it's a facility unavailable / unsupported on Vista? Shocked
Have you actually got this to work, and how? Confused

Thanks Smile


Ah, sorry, forgot you'd said one was Vista. No, when I did it, both the computers were XP (pro sp2).
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kenmabmcc



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Philocalist wrote:

2 / Can I add USB2 to the XP machine, in a way that does not requiure the installation of an internal card (no space) ... and is it possible that my older XP machine does not in fact support USB2 (and how would I establish that?) Confused


When I updated my USB1 to USB2 on my XP Home, I went into the BIOS and activated the Bios setting for USB2.

Check your bios it may only be a setting in there.
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goretsky



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:34 am    Post subject: Re: Best / fastest data transfer between PC's? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Hello,

Gigabit Ethernet is going to provide the fastest transfer rate, but you would want to have an onboard network card or one installed in a PCI or PCIe expansion slot in order for it to be effective.

Belkin sells something called an Easy Transfer Cable for Windows Vista and LapLink sells something similar, however, I have no idea how well they work.

Are you using Windows standard file copying to transfer files between the two computers? If so, you might want to try using something like ftp and see if that works any faster for transferring files between the two computers.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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nonbreaker



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Since you're just transferring files, why don't you just put the Vista hard drive in the XP machine and do a local copy...That should seriously speed up the time it takes.
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alphanumeric



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Keep in mind that the slowest link in the chain will set your max speed. What types of hard-drives are you using? If one of them is a PATA drive you won't get much more than 100 or 130 Mbytes/sec transfer speed from that drive. In that case your 100mb ethernet is probably fast enough. If both drives are SATA2 and upgrade to Gigabyte Ethernet may show a good increase in transfer speed. You may need to buy a Gigabyte switch and two Gigabyte NICs if none of your current hardware supports it.
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Philocalist



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:31 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Thanks for the efforts guys, but I think I'll let this one die, apart from maybe an academic exercise?

nonbreaker ... not really a realistic option, to keep swapping files between two working PC's, om an ongoing basis?

Goretsky ... think this may be the best way forward, particularly as XP PC developed a motherboard fault and has been retired / replaced with a Vista PC. Was able to recover all the stuff from the XP drives (whew!), and both PC's now offer USB2, so until something better comes along, I guess thats the way to go? Very Happy
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goretsky



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Hello,

The fastest external storage interface commonly available on desktop computers these days is eSATA.

I cannot help but wonder, though, if it might be better to look at smarter ways of copying/moving/synchronizing your data, instead of faster ones.

Perhaps if you told us a little more about your usage scenario some of the forum members could come up with a more elegant solution. As it is, all we really know is that you want to copy some data between two computers in close physical proximity to each other.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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hamhox



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Best / fastest data transfer between PC's? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

"If this is NOT a one time thing, but will be more or less 'Permanent', then you want some solution that does NOT involve unplugging and re-plugging your LAN cables. That's a recipe for disaster. "

NONSENSE! I have plenty of experience in this area, and unless the RJ45 connectors are damaged, there is no problem atall with disconnecting/reconnecting CAT-5 cables.

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"arcing and sparking when cables are connected or disconnected. "
More nonsense! Arcing & sparking when the energy on the cable(s) is 5 or 12 volts DC logic level? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I can't remember ever seeing it, and I go way back in electronics: USNavy Electronics Tech school, Great Lakes Illinois 1965.
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Persyak



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:00 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

You can connect a crossover cable to both machines, then run the Network Setup Wizard on both systems and select appropriate options. When it's complete, share the folders you want to make writeable to the other computer. Then just navigate the network using the My Networks utility, open the remote folder on the other computer, and drag and drop files.
If your two computers are connected to the same high-speed local network you can use a special program called PC File Transfer that will help you transfer files and folders.
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