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The Franchise



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: bootable flash drive with Ghost

Hi,
I would like detailed instructions on how to make a bootable USB flash drive with Ghost on it.Can't seem to find what I need.I've used HP to make the drive bootable. It boots up says Windows ME emergency is starting up and then there is a command prompt: C:\ and nothing else. Files from a Ghost floppy have been copied to the drive. Of course I'm doing something wrong and yes something stupid but somewhere I've missed something.
Don't really need it.Just a puzzle to solve.
Shocked Embarassed Jimmy
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BudDurland



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject:

If you type 'ghost' at the C:\ prompt, what happens? If you are rewarded with 'bad command or file name', make sure to switch to the directory that contains the ghost program using 'CD <directory name>'
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The Franchise



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:10 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Hi,
make sure to switch to the directory that contains the ghost program using 'CD <directory name>'
Not really sure what you mean. This is where it is located: H:\Ghost.
Tried all that I know to and still nothing. The Ghost floppy just boots up into ghost.Why not the flash drive? I'm trying to learn but no light bulb yet.
Thanks for helping.
Jimmy Question
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Werebo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Allo Jimmy Smile

It would seem you have your USB drive stick ready to boot from, the next step is to tell the BIOS to boot from there, instead of the hard drive.

If you enter the BIOS (At boot-up and before you get the Windows 'Splash-Screen' appear, tap the appropriate key - it varies from mobo to mobo, most times it's the 'Del' key - but not always Confused), it should be in the obstruction manual

Once you've got there, look for an entry somewhere that lets you change the Boot order. It's most likely looking at either the hard-drive or CD/DVD drive first. (On my Asus board, I can set it to look in 3 places - HD - CD/DVD USB slot). Tell it to look for the USB first of all, the 2nd/3rd choices are what you prefer, but it'll boot up faster if you point it to HD before CD/DVD Wink

Save and exit the BIOS and reboot, with the 'Ghost' flash drive in the slot and either pray or cross fingers, depending on your preferences
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Jimmy,
I would have thought you'd already have that problem solved by now.

OK, by the numbers, here's how I just did it.

Making a Flash Drive bootable to Ghost 2003:

Insert your Flash Drive into the USB slot and determine in My Computer what the drive letter is.

Run the HP formatter program.
Under 'Device', scroll down to your FD drive letter.
Set the 'Volume Label' to what ever you want it to be.
Under "Format Options" check:
Create a DOS Startup Disk

Under, Using DOS System files located at:

Select: A: (or your source boot disk)

Click: START

When operation is complete:
Copy all the files from your Ghost boot floppy, to the USB Flash Drive.

NO need to copy the three system files:
command.com
IO.SYS
MSDOS.sys

I just did this entire process using my Ghost 2003 boot floppy as the source and a 256 meg Sandisk Cruiser flash drive as the target.
It worked like a champ.

Now, print this out for reference.

Good Luck,
The Doctor
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The Franchise



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Doctor,
Sorry, still the same thing.Off to work making plywood now but will keep trying.
device: only one option
I did use fat32 but have tried all 3 options
DOS file systems at "A" ,a disk that I know will boot up into Ghost.
Will try to copy fies a different way.Open up ghost folder and copy individual files and the others as individual files.
At least now I don't feel as stupid as before.
Confused Jimmy
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

There are many ways to copy files.

My favorite is probably, to select all the files you want to copy.
Hold down the left control key while you click the files with your mouse to select them, then right click the group of files and select "Copy".

Then go to the target ( like your flash Drive ) in MY Computer, and put your mouse cursor on it, right click and then click "Paste" from the drop down menu.

Job done!

Doc
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BudDurland



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I know this will sound silly, but is there an AUTOEXEC.BAT on the flash drive? It should contain something like this:

Code:
@echo off
cd \ghost
ghost
cd \
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

BudDurland wrote:
I know this will sound silly, but is there an AUTOEXEC.BAT on the flash drive? It should contain something like this:

Code:
@echo off
cd \ghost
ghost
cd \


Not in my world! Wink

There are just too many things that can be done, besides just running the Ghost program. Like loading the Mouse.com program first, so you can run Ghost with your mouse....that's much simpler than using the keyboard.

And then there's Utils that can also be run from that same disk.
So, I boot up loading the mouse driver and then display a DOS menu of all the options including just running Ghost.

My own Autoexec.bat file actually looks like this:

@Echo off
cls
path=A:\;A:\Ghost;C:\
SET TZ=GHO-05:00
mscdex /D:mscd001
mouse
menu.bat

YUP, CD drivers and mouse driver are loaded.
No sense wasting a perfectly good flash drive with just ONE program.

You also can add NTFS4DOS to allow you to access all the files in an NTFS drive from your DOS booted flash drive.

There are many other Utilities that can also be added to that drive, like,
Memtest and HD drive utilities.

Doc
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BudDurland



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Certainly, Doc, the AUTOEXEC.BAT file can be as simple or complex as need be. I was just trying to stay focused on the problem as I understand it: Franchise needs ghost to automatically start when the system is booted from the flash drive. I'm just looking to move the big rocks first. But, maybe I mis-understood the original question.
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The Franchise



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:20 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I'm still trying.auto exe is as the Dr's.Learned a bunch.The whole point of the exercise is see how things work and to make them work the way I want.Sure beats a jig saw puzzle as mental exercise!Thanks for all help.It is much appreciated.
Jimmy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: bootable flash drive with Ghost [Login to view extended thread Info.]

The Franchise wrote:
Hi,
I would like detailed instructions on how to make a bootable USB flash drive with Ghost on it.Can't seem to find what I need.I've used HP to make the drive bootable. It boots up says Windows ME emergency is starting up and then there is a command prompt: C:\ and nothing else. Files from a Ghost floppy have been copied to the drive. Of course I'm doing something wrong and yes something stupid but somewhere I've missed something.
Don't really need it.Just a puzzle to solve.
Shocked Embarassed Jimmy


Jimmy and group,
The FD booting up to a C: prompt is the root of the problem.
I've spent the last two days researching this and that's what I've found to be the root cause.
I have several FD's made from the HP program and my Ghost boot floppy.
Some boot to an A: prompt and some others boot to a C: prompt.

On the floppy, there are many references and path statements with A: in them. Of course that's not going to work when the FD thinks it's drive C:.

When that happens, your first hard drive is NO LONGER drive C:.
The FD is, so the Hard Drive now becomes drive D:.

Working on this problem on a brand new FD last night, I'm close to success, but still not at 100%. I can successfully boot into my menu and run Ghost with no problems. It's running the cleanup batch files, etc, that pose the greatest problem. Every reference to the hard drive C:, has to be changed to D:, and the references to the boot disk being A: have to be changed to C:. That's just the least of it.

My FD that boots to A: will boot up my five year old PC. My newer FD's that boot to a C: prompt, will NOT boot my old PC, but will boot just fine on my new one. Go figure!

Why some FD's boot to C: when others made exactly the same way, boot to A:, is so far beyond me. I can only assume there's some difference in the way the FD was originally formatted at the factory.
Just one of life's little mysteries, I guess. Rolling Eyes

Still working.........

The Doctor
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

BudDurland wrote:
Certainly, Doc, the AUTOEXEC.BAT file can be as simple or complex as need be. I was just trying to stay focused on the problem as I understand it:
Franchise needs ghost to automatically start when the system is booted from the flash drive. I'm just looking to move the big rocks first. But, maybe I mis-understood the original question.


Probably, because that's NOT what he's trying to do.
He wants to use the same options from a DOS menu that I use and that he's been using from a boot floppy.

Any graduate of my DOS class could boot up a PC and run one program from the autoexec.bat file.
That's easy. But booting into a DOS menu with options to perform many different functions, like cleaning all the crapola out of the HD, is totally a different matter.

Then the boot disk menu needs to be inclusive enough to work on Windows 98, Windows ME and of course Windows XP (even Vista) on either a FAT-32 or NTFS hard drive. I've accomplished all that on my Ghost 2003 boot floppy, or CD. Making it all work the same on a Flash Drive that boots up to a C: prompt is a whole different bucket of worms. Laughing Laughing

But, that's what I've done and that's what Jimmy is wanting to do for himself. He's also running into the same problems with the flash drive that I've been experiencing here.

Booting with a flash drive is just for fun, so to speak, because every PC in the last umpteen years has had the ability to boot from a CD.
My system works great from a bootable CD.
When done right, the CD will boot up to an A: prompt.
Not all computers have the ability to boot from a flash drive.

Cheers Mates!
The Doctor
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BudDurland



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

drwho07 wrote:
BudDurland wrote:
But, maybe I mis-understood the original question.


Probably, because that's NOT what he's trying to do.
He wants to use the same options from a DOS menu that I use and that he's been using from a boot floppy.


Ok. I read this part in the third or fourth post:

Quote:
The Ghost floppy just boots up into ghost. Why not the flash drive?


And thought the OP's desire was to get the flash drive to "just boot up into ghost", hence the simplistic autoexec.bat. Obviously, if Franchise has decided to have a complex menu system -- such as yours -- that's good for several things, more complexity is needed.
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Bud,
Jimmy and I have been working on this for quite a while now. Wink

When he said "boots up into Ghost", I'm sure he meant "boots up into the Ghost menu" which looks something like this:


 GHOST 2003 Menu [4

1. Run Ghost to make a new image. (Windows XP Only)
This program will delete all temp files, cookies, histories, etc.
The Cleanup works only on a FAT-32 partition.

2. Run Ghost
This program runs Ghost alone, with NO cleanup being done.
Use this version to do Ghost Restores or Ghost image without cleanup.
You must use this option on any NTFS partition.

3. Run Ghost on Windows 98 or ME (delete the Swapfile and all temp's, etc.)

4. Delete all Restore points (Windows XP. Works on FAT-32 partition only)

5. Delete Windows "Pagefile" (Windows XP. Works on FAT-32 partitions only)

6. Remove all the old Restore files in Windows ME.

(Revised 12-17-07)
Type in a number at the DOS Prompt and press ENTER.

****************************************
That's my Ghost 2003 boot menu, which I know many users have copied for their own use. (In fact, this disk has gone worldwide.)
It makes the disk very useful for HD's from DOS to Vista.
Most of the batch files have drive letters in them. This poses a real problem when all of a sudden the program is booting up to a C: prompt instead of the expected A: prompt.
I'll get it all figured out. I always do.

Cheers Mates!
The Doctor
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The Franchise



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

That's right.At one point I could boot into Ghost without the menu(forgot now how I did it) but I want the menu first.
Jimmy Smile
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

We'll get there Jimmy! Wink

All it takes is time, effort and a little help from GOD. Wink

I'm still trying to figure out why one FD formats out to boot as A: and another one made exactly the same way boots up to a C: prompt.

Big mystery and the crux of our problem.

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?

The Doctor
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