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goretsky



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:22 am    Post subject:

Hello,

Most programs for Microsoft Windows XP are going to run fine under Microsoft Windows 7, especially if they worked under Microsoft Windows Vista.

XP Mode is there for businesses who have applications they need to run which just do not work under under Windows 7 (vendor went out of business, internally develope apps which are no longer maintained/source code no longer available and so forth. Just like other virtualization technologies, it is a way to run programs when your current operating environment no longer supports them natively.

For programs such as games which use DirectX, you are probably going to be better off setting up a dual-boot system in order to avoid the drop in performance you'll get from virtualizing the operating system.

Virtualization is very useful when you need to check something an old operating system or test baseline compatibility for a product with a bunch of different operating systems.

While there is no Classic Mode with Windows 7 (at least, I haven't tried disabling Aero to see if that provides one) it is possible to simulate quite a bit of the functionality. I wrote an article here explaining how to do this. It is not 100% perfect, but does provide most of the features.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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rovingcowboy



Joined: Jan 26, 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject:

thanks for the help guys.

yes i went shopping on black friday. went to get laptop in walmart adv.

got to the store at 3 am. sale started at 5 am. found one long as,,possible line of over one hundred people to get the laptop.

found the line had started at 4 pm on thanksgiving day. Shocked then i found they only had 40 of the laptops in the store. Twisted Evil Mad

did not get it. only got three external hd's and left.

found laptop on QVC tv channel as posted in the bargin forum.

got one of them. was worth the missing of walmarts cheaper one.

Very Happy Cool
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donrc



Joined: Feb 16, 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject:

I've finally had it with Windows. I installed Windows 7 Home 64 bit. I have two Windows programs I can't do without. Neither will run on Win 7. So OK I'll do the virtual machine bit and everything will be chocolate covered right? WRONG! I installed the virtual machine and tried to install XP in the machine. Sorry Charlie, this copy of XP has been installed too many times lately. Can't activate.

I had tried two old machines that were in the basement. Couldn't get them up to snuff. Also did a VM on one of those and installed XP on that. So finally I decided to build a brand new machine and installed Win7, XP and Ubuntu on that. I then installed Virtual Box under Win 7 and tried to activate XP on that. WOuldn't activate.

So, final straw. Ubuntu is better cheaper if not easier to use. Both my programs work using Wine and it's goodbye MS. I'll miss the help I got here for Windows you guys have been excellent. I'll look in on you occaisionally. Cheers!

drc
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goretsky



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:21 am    Post subject:

Hello,

When a copy of Microsoft Windows has told me it has been installed too many times, I generally call the toll-free number displayed on the screen, speak to the representative and have them manually give me a key to type in. Takes about five to ten minutes or so.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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donrc



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject:

Thanks Goretsky. I'll give that a try.
One thing I have wondered about with Windows 7. What will it allow me to do that XP will not?

I'm not talking about the weird backgrounds or the "Look I can wiggle the window and it pops down to the task bar or pops up."
I've found that it boots up slightly faster or closes down slightly faster. Has anyone else found anything that would make you want to spend two to four hundred dollars?

I have no quarrel with MS making a profit, bu that cannot be a consideration to the person buying the product.

drc
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goretsky



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:21 am    Post subject:

Hello,

For me, the advantages of Microsoft Windows 7 over Windows XP are a more secure environment out of the box and networking improvements, however, those may not matter to other people.

Microsoft does have an "XP vs. Vista vs. 7" page here on their web site. You might want to check that and see if it makes sense for you to upgrade now.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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drwho07



Joined: Nov 29, 2007
Posts: 2296

Location: Central FL, USA

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject:

I had to have my Win-7 HD for another project, so Win-7 got deleted.

I found another spare HD and decided to reinstall win-7, 32 bit this time, so I could have Windows Mail.
I had to use some old hacker techniques to get rid of the Windows Mail files, so I could replace them with the files from Vista (32).

I've had to reinstall this version of Win-7, several times and every time it works a little bit differently. I've not figgered that one out yet! Crying or Very sad
How can a program on a DVD, change from one install to the next?
(no answer required)

But to answer one question, "what does Win-7 have that XP doesn't?"
It has MORE!
More size, More Services running, More incompatibilities with hardware, and a lot more frustrations, trying to get it customized the way you want it.

Just a simple job, like putting a shortcut to your internet connection on your desktop, is somewhat impossible with Windows 7.
Making a connection to your dial up ISP, will drive you to drink.

So what do I really HATE about win-7?
I hate the cost.
I hate the size on HD.
I hate all those stupid Services running in the background.
I hate it, that they put Windows Mail in the programs folder and then disabled it so it won't run. Now, how incredibly stupid is that?
Yes, it's also a Hidden Folder, so you can't even see it, unless you UN-Hide all files and folders. (I hate that too! )

So what do I love about win-7 ......... well.......... I .......... er .......... ah. ......... uh ......... Nothing I guess! Laughing Laughing Laughing

It does run OK on my PC though (and automatically set up my internet connection through the LAN port, during install).
But then, so does Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows XP and Vista.

As I predicted Months ago, the hackers are having a field day with "7".
The fully activated version of Windows 7, Ultimate 32/64 hit the streets before the retail version ever hit the stores. No surprise there! Wink

Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

The Doctor Cool
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BudDurland



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject:

Counterpoint, I guess...

I've had Windows 7 (64bit home premium) on my home computer for about 3 weeks now. The machine was previous running Vista Ultimate. At work we still use XP/Sp3

For the most part, I like Windows 7. Installing pretty much requires a "clean" install -- backup your stuff, do the install, re-install apps and restore data. I generally do that once a year or so anyway, so no big deal, and I think it's a good idea for a computer to occasionally receive an "electronic enema". If nothing else, it is a good test of your backup strategy Wink

My computer is about home-built and about 3 years old. The install discovered all the hardware (on-board networking & sound, add-on video card, Epson printer) correctly. I was able to connect it to my Windows Home server without issue.

All the applications I use daily work just fine: MSOffice 2007, Open Office, FireFox, ThunderBird, PowerBASIC, Unreal Tournament 2004, FoxIt PDF Reader, AVG 9, Acronis True Image home, UltraVNC, iTunes. As I find them, I'm downloading and installing the 64-bit versions of things.

So far, I've not had any mysterious behaviors, crashes, or anything like that.

{IMHO MODE}
The interface is better. I like the new task bar, that is basically a blend of the "quick launch" bar and traditional task bar. I like the little thumbnails it shows of the running programs.

I like that they've done away with Vista's sidebar, and made it so that gadgets simply float around on the desktop.

Performance is better than with Vista, and at least on par with XP -- maybe a bit faster. I don't know how much of that can be attributed to the 64 bit factor; I'm sure that at the very least disk i/o benefits.

Yes, the install foot print is bigger, but to be honest, is this really a big deal? Most computers have very large hard drives, and megabytes are cheap. The payoff is in the additional functionality that are add-ons to XP (like the aforementioned gadgets).

Yup, there are still quite a few services running that you probably don't need. This is a by-product of trying to be an easy experience for all (non-technical) users. Besides, learning the fine-tuning part keeps folks like Doc and me busy Smile

User Access Control (UAC) is still a PITA, but is still easily disabled.

If you have kids, the Parental Controls are cool.

Overall, I think the WIn7 upgrade is worth it, especially if you have 64-bit hardware. It's pretty well known that The latest windows versions (Vista, Win7) have a healthy hardware requirement. Some people insist on keeping computer hardware until it rusts. That's their choice, but there has to be a certain amount of parity with your hardware and software.

{/IMHO MODE}
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject:

I finally found a way to get Windows Mail working on Win-7, x86.

It only requires ONE file. It's the Msoe.DLL file, copied from Vista.

I'm currently running Win-7 and yes, I have Windows Mail up and running like a champ.

I found the files I needed on the web. They are very small, so the download was almost instant.
It sure beats having to copy all the Windows mail files from a Vista PC.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Everyone!

The Doctor Cool


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K-czul



Joined: Aug 24, 2005
Posts: 44

Location: Middle Tennessee

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject: Hyperlinks

I have problems with the hyperlinks in my received email. Sometimes they take me to the web site but sometimes they take me to IE home page (Yahoo).

I use Win 7 and MS Office ((MS Outlook) 2003. How can I correct this? I used "Take Ownership" on both Outlook and IE.

Thanks.

Kczul
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drwho07



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Location: Central FL, USA

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:05 pm    Post subject:

1. Stop using that broken I.E. and start using Firefox and set it as your default browser.
2. refer to step one.

Wink
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donrc



Joined: Feb 16, 2003
Posts: 947



PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:33 pm    Post subject:

WOW Doc,
That was a jump! From Christmas of 2009 to today. Good catch. Laughing

drc
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rovingcowboy



Joined: Jan 26, 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject:

stop using the defunked email client.

use windows live mail. takes some time to get it set up right you might need to call ms for server links or stuff.
but it was to be the new email for ms and i've got it here on xp no trouble with it getting my email from hotmail but my account is grandfathered in for home pick up. but they don't do that on new accounts anymore.
still i've not used outlook or outlook express since they got windows live mail.

most trouble i have is with sitting it up i make mistakes in what i put in for
the servers is all i mess up on.

Cool .
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject:

R'cowboy,

You should get a check from MS every month, for your diehard use of MS products, even the crappy ones..

Personally , I think Windows Live sucks!

Windows Live Mail, is a B**** to set up and then looks SICK.
As far as receiving and sending email, it does no better than O.E. 6,
which is MUCH easier to set up, customize and run.

For those with no expertise, or patience, at working with MS programs, Mozilla's Thunderbird is a good email client.

Cool
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tbernstein



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Location: London

PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:41 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

drwho07 wrote:
it does no better than O.E. 6,
which is MUCH easier to set up, customize and run.

For those with no expertise, or patience, at working with MS programs, Mozilla's Thunderbird is a good email client.

Cool


And
"My problem with Win-7 is actually with those geeks at MS that feel obliged to change things that never needed to be changed.
Why change Solitaire? It's worked just fine since Windows 3.1. " (both by Dr. Who)

There's a theme here.
MS seem to be moving away from stuff that we can organise the way we want it, to stuff that works the way that they think we ought to use it.
Anyone who has tried to make the Office 2010 "Ribbon" sensible to use will know that. You can't add or remove items from bits of the ribbon. You have to hide an entire tab, then recreate a new tab, painstakingly adding in the bits you actually want. Crying or Very sad
But the writing has been on the wall for a while. The idiotic decision to put fax support in Vista Pro (so that office workers who don't need it because they'll have a fax machine if they need one, and probably can't connect their PC to a phone line anyway, can have it) but not in Vista Home ( for private individuals who usually have a private phone line, probably a fax modem built in and may need to send the odd fax from time to time but won't have a fax machine) is just one example. Not putting Publisher in the Office Home editions was another - Publisher is a good DTP programme for the soho user, but not for the pro user, so they only put it in the Pro versions, not the Home editions.
Madness!
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tbernstein



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:25 pm    Post subject: Footnote [Login to view extended thread Info.]

As a footnote to the above:
I'm long enough in the tooth to remember CP/M and a wordproccessor (Wordstar it may have been called) that needed a degree in computer science just to change a font.
So MSDOS and MS Word were a revelation.
But in the last ten years or so something has changed.
My guess is that there are three issues
One is that there's a degree of Apple envy, with the executives wanting to sell something that they can keep control of.
Another is a large dollop of paternalism - they think that they can give us what we need.
But the icing on the cake is that they've come to believe the marketting gurus and think that they can aim their products at a kind of generalised, homogonised public who all fit into a very small number of categories (Enterprise, Small business, Home) with identical needs.
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

It's the same group that force us to accept a poison, called Floride, in our city drinking water, and High Fructose Corn syrup in almost everything we eat. Yukk!

I reject that whole line of thinking.

Just for my old customers, I carry 'Sol.exe and cards.dll' with me on my Utilities disk on every call. That's the old Solitaire from 98, ME and XP. The version we all know and love.

For Win-7, I use the "Classic Shell" that makes it look and act like XP with the Classic Theme.

c'est la guerre

Cool
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rovingcowboy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:42 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

yes i had to call ms, and ask for their email guru when windows live mail first came out. to have them tell me how to set it up.

i just discovered another error in it too it will not allow me to send on pop 3 server? must need another phone call to see what is messed up.

umm? also i seem to remember them resetting the options on it for some stuff in several of the updates i wonder if they placed a checkmark in the wrong area again. i'll have to look at that.

i also don't like the fact i can't change the look of it.

the reason i use it is because it was the newest one that was being supported for xp and they stopped outlook express support when this came out. because the old program did not work on their new servers.

am i the only one that remembers that stuff dont any of you read news?

i stick with ms programs because most of the 3rd party programs are either blocked or messed up by ms updates for windows so sooner or later i got to get rid of the 3rd party stuff. i do have open office.

you do reallize that ms bought zone alarm don't you?

when i first got computers here all the bundled stuff on the thing was trial ware and messed up windows when the time limit ran out. i had to call
ms and get them to help me set up windows which i had bought on a tv shopping channel computer system. they were not to do that, and would not help set it up. but the one then they could do at the time was kick windows over the web.
which is why i'm on the web. i needed to get it to run as the computer would not work it keep making me reinstall the os every time i booted up.
so we got set up online and i dialed up the update url he gave me and got the mb os and computer os readjusted. and that was with the gold 98 not se.
ms has been able to work with their stuff on my systems ever since with minor errors its every thing else i have to keep track of to make sure they all work. i never had much trouble out of 98 after that, and i ran it 24 7 for 10 yrs playing music on a jukebox program only changed to xp cause the 98 mb toasted a few too many cap's on it and would no longer work.

so ms is really not a bad system its just got some bad ideas in some of the versions. you all with vista i feel sorry for you. i really do cause you either did not hear or read the fact that ms said. " We can not fix Vista, so we are releasing windows 7 two years earlier and discontinuing Vista"

if ms can't fix it your out of luck with 3rd party programs. and when you use
vista as a point of referance to say ms is bad it just says to me you did not hear what they said.

i have to say it again now. anyone who bought vista on a compuer needs
to get rid of vista. get win 7 or find an old xp pro install disk and use those.
but toss vista out the same as ms has done to it.
if the maker of it says its trash why are you still using it.

also did you know that ms amitted that they released windows 98 gold with an known error in that they could not fix. which is why they released windows 98 se.

ever since xp was released most the trouble forums like this one have been slowed down. it was with 3rd party programs most errors were being posted about on these help forums. not until the release of vista did
the ms errors start showing up on these forums again.

and windows 7 being based off of vista tells me i just don't want win 7 either which is why i stick with xp pro. this computer is set up to upgrade to win7 but it won't be done.

window 7's only benifit i can see is the fact that it now has unlimited ram support when xp only has 3 gb's it can see.

i don't like win7's fact they locked their gui shell from being changed by theme makers. you have to find a third party app that allows or forces win7 to allow shell themes to change everything to your wants.

your right about them trying to make you use what they want. another news article they said they were going to use online apps but every one did not like that idea. so they ms said okay they would not force everyone to use them yet because the servers could not really handle it then., that was 3 yrs ago. the servers are getting better, the apps are demanding you use them in the manor they want you too, more and more.

they came out with that cloud stuff. the cloud they are talking about is really the word balloon used to show a cartoon character's words in.
they use those balloons in the schematic of how they set up a network.
and the balloon is used as the web server.

so that cloud stuff is just the way they are making every one use the apps on line in their servers and not your computers they are getting you use
to that online stuff a little bit at a time.
they in other words are spoon feeding the online apps to you a byte at a time.



i use hotmail and thats the only online storage server i use.
other then the ones from other partys for web pages.
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rovingcowboy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:58 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

oh and my footnote for my post is this

i don't like sol or spider or freecell on any computer os. those all cheat
and if you don't realize it you can clean/clear the stats for them buy using a program that cleans out normal game stats it then resets how much those programs have been played back to zero which helps on the cheating of them.

same with the hoyle card games or the new hoyle card and other games
that were made for ms they are made to cheat too but their stats are also cleared or reset by some cleaning programs .

so if you think ms is bad cause the stats never stay the same thats not their fault its the cleaning app your using you need to tell it to ignore those game's dll files or bak files which ever their stats are kept in.

Smile

but i don't like those games they are boring and so old. they need major makeovers.
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goretsky



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Hello,

I think Check Point Software Technologies Ltd. bought Zone Labs, the company which made ZoneAlarm, not Microsoft. Microsoft has acquired several other security companies, though, including GeCAD Software, GIANT Company Software, FrontBridge Technologies, Komoku, Sybari Software and Whale Communications, to name a few off the top of my head.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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