Win 98se Warm Restart Problem

john2 · Joined: Dec 05, 2003 Posts: 38

Hello all,

I have the Win 98SE operating system.

When doing a warm restart from the Start Menu (Start/Shut Down/Restart)
my PC shuts down as far as the Windows 98SE splash screen,
and then hangs up completely.
The `Ctrl+Del+Alt´ keys bring no response and I can only reboot the
PC by using the hardware Reset switch. The PC then runs a Disc Scan
before booting up.

I have heard that this a common error with Win 98SE.

Does anyone know how to fix this problem ?

Regards

john2

Morbius · Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 1712

John2,

Quote:

I have heard that this is a common error with Win 98SE.

Does anyone know how to fix this problem ?

To the best of my knowledge, there is NO fix.

That problem is as common on 98 machines as Snow at the North Pole.
It seems to happen on big Name Brand PC's more than on home built units.

Deal with it! Never let it reboot like that. Always shut it down and do a cold restart.

Your next PC will have XP on it......it don't do stuff like that.

Good Luck,
The Doctor

john2 · Joined: Dec 05, 2003 Posts: 38

Hello Morbius,

Thanks for your reply.
I´ve found out that there is a Microsoft fix for the Win 98SE warm
restart problem, but that it doesn´t seem to help very much.

It seems the cause of the problem is that Win 98SE doesn´t
close down the running processes before a warm restart.

I have now tried closing the background processes by hand (firewall,
anti-virus, modem logger, explorer) before initiating a warm restart.
This seems to help, sometimes.

I´ve thought about upgrading from Win 98SE to XP, but there´s a new
64-bit MS operating system due for release in the autumn.

If I were to upgrade from Win 98SE to XP, would all my available Win 98
software run under XP without problems ?

Regards

john2

Werebo · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:12 am Post subject:

Allo John2 Smile

Most software will transfer from Win98 to XP ok Smile

... Any programs that are troublesome can be 'adjusted' by the WinXP compatability utility which will force XP to run the progam under simulated Win98 conditions.

Even my old card patience game (Towers) from Win3.0 days runs fine, although the window won't go above 800x600pixels so it only uses half the screen but it runs perfectly well otherwise.

I do have 1 or 2 very old games that won't run on my machine, but I think it's because I use a laptop rather than XP causing problems, I tried them on another PC with XP and they ran well on that :thumbup:

micker377 · Joined: May 27, 2005 Posts: 993

software run under XP without problems ?>

When you upgrade 98 > XP, it will give you a log of hardware and software that may not work properly after the upgrade. Some manu's just don't make XP drivers for the hardware. There is a program available on the MicroSoft site that scans your computer and advises you on this subject. (Does anyone remember where it is?). The biggest problems I've found are scanners (usually the parallel port ones). I've found some printers, also. My ZIP drive doesn't work without a $70 XP upgrade program.

zlim · Joined: Mar 11, 2005 Posts: 2636

I wouldn't advise upgrading. Upgrades usually create more problems rather than solve the one minor hiccup you are having. I have a program, it used to be free from PCMagazine, called EndItAll. Read about it and download it here
http://www.the-old-sea-dog.net/enditall.html

goretsky · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:15 am Post subject:

Hello,

Have you installed all of the patches for Microsoft Windows 98SE , including the Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package fix?

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

john2 · Joined: Dec 05, 2003 Posts: 38

Hello all,

Thanks for the replies.

I agree that an upgrade from Win 98SE to XP probably creates more
problems than it solves, especially the drivers´ problem, which
I hadn´t thought about.

What I did at the end of last year, Aryeh, was to install an
unofficial Win 98SE Service Pack (Sp 2.1b) over the original Win 98SE installation.

This did a cumulative update of Win 98SE, with a whole series of MS patches,
but I can´t determine if Q273017 was amonst them. I don´t think it was, though.

What´s the function and importance of the Q273017 patch ?

Regards
john2

Morbius · Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 1712

The jump from Windows 98 to Windows XP is pretty drastic. The issues involved are more related to hardware compatibility issues than software. Even though I had upgraded my hardware, when I first ran the XP upgrade CD on my system it was with much fear and trepidation.

The install of the the Upgrade went off without a hitch. In less than an hour the job was done and most everything was working OK. That is, except my Modem, Scanner and Sound card.
Those three things had to be replaced with newer units that were XP Compatible.
Except for the scanner, I had the parts I needed in-house and the replacement of the modem and the Sound card went smoothly.

As a hedge against disaster, I had just made a Ghost backup of my C: drive before I started the upgrade.
I still have that old Ghost image around here somewhere. :tongue:

Where most people get into trouble is trying to put XP on an old PC that's just not up to running such a demanding OS. If I tell you here what I think the minimums should be as to CPU and Ram, some geek will come in here and tell us how he runs XP on his K6-300 with 128 megs of ram and his old 6 gig HD.

Just let me say, that most systems were built for the OS that came installed on them. NOT for an OS that puts at the least, two to three times the demand on the CPU and RAM.

Back on Topic:
We were discussing 98's problem shutting down some programs.
In XP, there is a Registry fix for that. I'm not sure if that would translate to 98, but I'll take a look-see.
I'll be back on that.......

Morbius Cool

Later: Windows 98/SE does NOT have the Registry Locations where a shutdown can be speeded up.
The registry tweaks to speed up Shutdown do work and my own PC is witness to that. My system shuts down in just 8 sec's. The XP tweaks to speed up shutdown and kill non-responsive tasks can be found Here.

zlim · Joined: Mar 11, 2005 Posts: 2636

This will fix the run scandisk at startup and references what Aryeh mentioned http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/1178/

micker377 · Joined: May 27, 2005 Posts: 993

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nudgewink · Joined: Jul 15, 2004 Posts: 26

[Email address removed by administrator to prevent spam. AG]

The problem is well-known and the fix is available as noted above.
the filename is 239887up.exe. You should be able to find it on MS'
websites or by googling for the filename. the contents of the accompanying
readme are:

The Windows 98 Second Edition Shutdown Supplement addresses
shutdown issues on systems with specific hardware/software
configurations running Windows 98 Second Edition. These issues
include systems restarting when
selecting shutdown and systems hanging on shutdown.

If you have trouble locating the file email me at {email address removed}
and I will attach the file (just under half a MB) to an email reply.
Regards
Eric Schell
Berkeley
A Plus Certified Computer Technician

john2 · Joined: Dec 05, 2003 Posts: 38

Hallo Eric,

Many thanks for the information and your kind offer of assistence.

I have located the update patch file 239887up.exe
on the following Internet Page :

http://rennickcomputer.com/DownLoads.htm

On this page there is also reference to a second Shutdown fix for Win 98SE :

4756us8.exe

Should I also install this patch ?

(I suspect that this second patch has something to do with shutdown problems
related to USB hardware)

Regards

John

Morbius · Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 1712

Eric,
Thanks, I'm always looking for new fixes that I can use to help my many customers still using Windows 98.
We've been dancing around that ol' problem for years.

Now, you can remove your eMail addy from your post.
I don't know if its forbidden or not, but very careless to put your address our there in an open forum.
You leave yourself wide open to the spammers.

Thanks again,
Morbius Cool

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1278

how soon we forget?

just go get the free ware program called ItweakU it was free ware and pro ware you should find it on the freeware sites. it works on win9x systems good it has an option to force all aplicactions to close when they don't want to. that works for my win98 winMe and win98se. computers.