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bobcollum
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Here it is:
This is the thread to discuss the War on Terror, and it's major players:
George W. Bush(and administration)
Usama Bin Laden(and any related Islamic jihadist types)
Iraq*(Saddam Hussein)
PLEASE STAY WITHIN THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!
I don't want the validity of otherwise excellent statements to be stripped away because of it.
*Iraq is only major player to not have actually been involved in the inception of the War on Terror |
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gcarlson
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Here it is:
This is the thread to discuss the War on Terror, and it's major players:
George W. Bush(and administration)
Usama Bin Laden(and any related Islamic jihadist types)
Iraq*(Saddam Hussein)
PLEASE STAY WITHIN THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!
I don't want the validity of otherwise excellent statements to be stripped away because of it.
*Iraq is only major player to not have actually been involved in the inception of the War on Terror
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Hmm, I think the war was on Terror in general, not terror in any particular vein.
Hmmm, I think that suicide bombers are terrorists, and anyone providing financial or logistical support are aiding and abetting and participating in terror.
Hmmmmm, Iraq had a terror training school where terrorist learned how to hijack airplanes. Iraq paid every suicide bomber's family (who blew up too soon in Palestine and Israel) $25,000.
Hmmmmm, that sure looks like aiding and abeting terrorist to me.
You lose. But thank you for the thread. |
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ejward
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I've gotta' agree that Saddam was financing terrorist but, so was (is) Saudia Arabia.
Hmmm, shouldn't the main focus of the war on terror be on the person at the head of it. Bin Laden. The person who caused the death of 3000 Americans. People seem to forget them.
Hmmmm, the training camp ended up being a training camp the the Republican Guards.
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bobcollum
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Here it is:
This is the thread to discuss the War on Terror, and it's major players:
George W. Bush(and administration)
Usama Bin Laden(and any related Islamic jihadist types)
Iraq*(Saddam Hussein)
PLEASE STAY WITHIN THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!
I don't want the validity of otherwise excellent statements to be stripped away because of it.
*Iraq is only major player to not have actually been involved in the inception of the War on Terror
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Hmm, I think the war was on Terror in general, not terror in any particular vein.
Hmmm, I think that suicide bombers are terrorists, and anyone providing financial or logistical support are aiding and abetting and participating in terror.
Hmmmmm, Iraq had a terror training school where terrorist learned how to hijack airplanes. Iraq paid every suicide bomber's family (who blew up too soon in Palestine and Israel) $25,000.
Hmmmmm, that sure looks like aiding and abeting terrorist to me.
You lose. But thank you for the thread.
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So I was just looking at this site that showed if you took some statements about Iraq, and switched it with the US, it is equally true.
Here's the second of these statements:
[2] - Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in Iraq.
..or…
Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in the United States.
ScoopLink To Evidence
Sorry, the links that take you to the original sites are no longer active(?). But it shows a few quotes.
So, I wouldn't say that i've lost. But I don't see everything in black and white......
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patio
Joined: Feb 03, 2004
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Just to illustrate who the major players are for those jumping in late:
George Bush.
President of the United States at the time of the attack on the World Trade Center that brought both 100 story buildings crashing to the ground killing 3,000 + civilians who had no dispute with the terrorists...
Bin Laden (surname intentionally excluded to avoid confusion )
A nephew of a wealthy Saudi Prince who has waged a war of hatred and indiscriminate killings against anything in the Free World that has anything to do with the country above.
Saddamn Hussein.
Former President and dictator of Iraq. Overall nice guy and mistakenly dragged into the current discussion with absolutely no ties to any terrorist organisation on the planet.
OK...carry on....
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gcarlson
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Hmmmm, the training camp ended up being a training camp the the Republican Guards.
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Try again. The republican guard did not need a mock up of a 707 sitting in the desert to know how to fire an AK47.
But nice try.
And on Saudi Arabia, I dont think they are financing terrorist. I could be wrong, but a link would be helpful. |
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gcarlson
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Here it is:
This is the thread to discuss the War on Terror, and it's major players:
George W. Bush(and administration)
Usama Bin Laden(and any related Islamic jihadist types)
Iraq*(Saddam Hussein)
PLEASE STAY WITHIN THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!
I don't want the validity of otherwise excellent statements to be stripped away because of it.
*Iraq is only major player to not have actually been involved in the inception of the War on Terror
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Hmm, I think the war was on Terror in general, not terror in any particular vein.
Hmmm, I think that suicide bombers are terrorists, and anyone providing financial or logistical support are aiding and abetting and participating in terror.
Hmmmmm, Iraq had a terror training school where terrorist learned how to hijack airplanes. Iraq paid every suicide bomber's family (who blew up too soon in Palestine and Israel) $25,000.
Hmmmmm, that sure looks like aiding and abeting terrorist to me.
You lose. But thank you for the thread.
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So I was just looking at this site that showed if you took some statements about Iraq, and switched it with the US, it is equally true.
Here's the second of these statements:
[2] - Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in Iraq.
..or…
Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in the United States.
ScoopLink To Evidence
Sorry, the links that take you to the original sites are no longer active(?). But it shows a few quotes.
So, I wouldn't say that i've lost. But I don't see everything in black and white......
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Please link to relevant sites. The Us Government site where they were supporting terror training camps for Al Qaeda.
Also the one where they (the government) was paying Terrorist to blow up children.
You seem to overlooked the facts, and went straight to hyperbole. |
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gcarlson
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Here it is:
This is the thread to discuss the War on Terror, and it's major players:
George W. Bush(and administration)
Usama Bin Laden(and any related Islamic jihadist types)
Iraq*(Saddam Hussein)
PLEASE STAY WITHIN THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!
I don't want the validity of otherwise excellent statements to be stripped away because of it.
*Iraq is only major player to not have actually been involved in the inception of the War on Terror
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Hmm, I think the war was on Terror in general, not terror in any particular vein.
Hmmm, I think that suicide bombers are terrorists, and anyone providing financial or logistical support are aiding and abetting and participating in terror.
Hmmmmm, Iraq had a terror training school where terrorist learned how to hijack airplanes. Iraq paid every suicide bomber's family (who blew up too soon in Palestine and Israel) $25,000.
Hmmmmm, that sure looks like aiding and abeting terrorist to me.
You lose. But thank you for the thread.
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So I was just looking at this site that showed if you took some statements about Iraq, and switched it with the US, it is equally true.
Here's the second of these statements:
[2] - Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in Iraq.
..or…
Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in the United States.
ScoopLink To Evidence
Sorry, the links that take you to the original sites are no longer active(?). But it shows a few quotes.
So, I wouldn't say that i've lost. But I don't see everything in black and white......
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Please link to relevant sites. The Us Government site where they were supporting terror training camps for Al Qaeda.
Also the one where they (the government) was paying Terrorist to blow up children.
You seem to overlooked the facts, and went straight to hyperbole. |
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bobcollum
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I've gotta' agree that Saddam was financing terrorist but, so was (is) Saudia Arabia.
Hmmm, shouldn't the main focus of the war on terror be on the person at the head of it. Bin Laden. The person who caused the death of 3000 Americans. People seem to forget them.
Hmmmm, the training camp ended up being a training camp the the Republican Guards.
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You know, I've mentioned that about 5 times today.
At first, I was wrong because I spelled Usama with an 'O'. The next time, it wasn't within the topic of the thread.
It's "hard work" trying to make sense of it all......... |
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bobcollum
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Here it is:
This is the thread to discuss the War on Terror, and it's major players:
George W. Bush(and administration)
Usama Bin Laden(and any related Islamic jihadist types)
Iraq*(Saddam Hussein)
PLEASE STAY WITHIN THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!
I don't want the validity of otherwise excellent statements to be stripped away because of it.
*Iraq is only major player to not have actually been involved in the inception of the War on Terror
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Hmm, I think the war was on Terror in general, not terror in any particular vein.
Hmmm, I think that suicide bombers are terrorists, and anyone providing financial or logistical support are aiding and abetting and participating in terror.
Hmmmmm, Iraq had a terror training school where terrorist learned how to hijack airplanes. Iraq paid every suicide bomber's family (who blew up too soon in Palestine and Israel) $25,000.
Hmmmmm, that sure looks like aiding and abeting terrorist to me.
You lose. But thank you for the thread.
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So I was just looking at this site that showed if you took some statements about Iraq, and switched it with the US, it is equally true.
Here's the second of these statements:
[2] - Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in Iraq.
..or…
Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in the United States.
ScoopLink To Evidence
Sorry, the links that take you to the original sites are no longer active(?). But it shows a few quotes.
So, I wouldn't say that i've lost. But I don't see everything in black and white......
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Please link to relevant sites. The Us Government site where they were supporting terror training camps for Al Qaeda.
Also the one where they (the government) was paying Terrorist to blow up children.
You seem to overlooked the facts, and went straight to hyperbole.
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Why don't we, seeing as how you didn't provide a link for me the first time, start over.
Btw, my link wasn't biased to the point it supplied inaccurate information. Just because it's anti-Bush, doesn't mean it's wrong. It utilizes quotes, those can't be made up.
So link me please....... |
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ejward
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Hmmmm, the training camp ended up being a training camp the the Republican Guards.
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Try again. The republican guard did not need a mock up of a 707 sitting in the desert to know how to fire an AK47.
But nice try.
And on Saudi Arabia, I dont think they are financing terrorist. I could be wrong, but a link would be helpful.
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A link to a "mock up of a 707" would be helpful too. :blink: |
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Outshined
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Here are a few:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...ws/khodada.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/17/232349.shtml
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| Charles Deulfer, former Deputy Head, U.N. Special Commission for Iraq, told NPR, "There were lots of places in Iraq where training of non-Iraqis, or things, which by our lexicon would be considered terrorism, was taking place. That's why Iraq is on the terrorist list. Having a large aircraft, a 707, in a peninsula, completely visible from the air or from satellite, with no airline runways nearby, that's not there by accident." |
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/s...al/iraq/1855357
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/carson200406020845.asp
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gcarlson
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Hmmmm, the training camp ended up being a training camp the the Republican Guards.
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Try again. The republican guard did not need a mock up of a 707 sitting in the desert to know how to fire an AK47.
But nice try.
And on Saudi Arabia, I dont think they are financing terrorist. I could be wrong, but a link would be helpful.
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A link to a "mock up of a 707" would be helpful too. :blink:
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Do you trust PBS? Your god and gospel? |
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gcarlson
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Here are a few:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...ws/khodada.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/17/232349.shtml
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| Charles Deulfer, former Deputy Head, U.N. Special Commission for Iraq, told NPR, "There were lots of places in Iraq where training of non-Iraqis, or things, which by our lexicon would be considered terrorism, was taking place. That's why Iraq is on the terrorist list. Having a large aircraft, a 707, in a peninsula, completely visible from the air or from satellite, with no airline runways nearby, that's not there by accident." |
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/s...al/iraq/1855357
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/carson200406020845.asp
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{Pout} Damn, Outshined. He did ask me! I only provided one. You bested me again! {pout} :thumbup: |
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bobcollum
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Hmmmm, the training camp ended up being a training camp the the Republican Guards.
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Try again. The republican guard did not need a mock up of a 707 sitting in the desert to know how to fire an AK47.
But nice try.
And on Saudi Arabia, I dont think they are financing terrorist. I could be wrong, but a link would be helpful.
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A link to a "mock up of a 707" would be helpful too. :blink:
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Do you trust PBS? Your god and gospel?
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God and Gospel? Sorry, I don't need religion. My moral compass isn't broken.
The most interesting thing about your link is that this guy who talks to Frontline seems convinced that Iraq was behind the training of the terrorists that carried out 9/11. This guy so full of it, his breath stinks.
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That was your reaction on September 11 -- that some of these people might be involved?
I assure you, this operation was conducted by people who were trained by Saddam. And I'm going to keep assuring the world this is what happened.
Osama bin Laden has no such capabilities. Why? Because this kind of attacks must be, and has to be, organized by a capable state, such as Iraq; a state where they can provide high level of training, and they can provide high level of intelligence to do such training.
How could Osama bin Laden -- who's hiding in the middle of nowhere in Afghanistan in small caves and valleys -- train people and gather information and send people to do such high-level operation? We all know this is a high-level operation. This cannot be done by a person who does not even own a plane in Afghanistan, who cannot offer such training in Afghanistan. This is definitely done by a mastermind like Saddam. ... |
So, then Bush lied to us about Bin Laden? I'm so confused.
If it's so obvious that what this guy says is the truth, why hasn't this gotten more coverage? It can't be the "liberal media" because that was from PBS(you know, those people that would've expected less bigotry for certain shows that have been chastized by the religious-right), so how could it possibly be unbiased?
If you want to state that you believe all of that to be true, then you're opening up a whole new can of worms.
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Outshined
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He may be "full of it" in your opinion, but he was there and worked at Salman Pak. But you don't like him, so... :rolleyes:
Sorry, that doesn't make the terrorist training camps or the plane go away, does it? |
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bobcollum
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He may be "full of it" in your opinion, but he was there and worked at Salman Pak. But you don't like him, so... :rolleyes:
Sorry, that doesn't make the terrorist training camps or the plane go away, does it?
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My point is that if anyone thinks that shows a connection to Iraq and 9/11, you're sadly mistaken. According to this guy, Bin Laden has no capabilities whatsoever! So what does that say?
He's calling the entire US intel system a complete sham.
He's calling you're great president a liar.
He's telling all of the neo-cons they are wrong(which I'll admit, can be fun).
I don't debate whether there were things like that going on there. But the way this guy is putting it, you'd think Iraq was called 'Terror Island'.
And lastly, this is what I showed GC yesterday when he first posed this question. It's from a site that takes a sentence about some 'evil' that Iraq has done, but then switches Iraq with the US. It's odd how the sentence retains it's accuracy:
[2] - Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in Iraq.
..or…
Members of Al-Qaeda were at one time trained on bases in the United States.
They trained in the US. Do you think the training they got in Iraq was comparable to what they recieved here? |
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Outshined
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I consider his opinion on Bin Laden just that; opinion. But he was there and saw who was being trained.
When you can tell me exactly who was trained at these terrorist facilities, we can rule out an Al-Quaeda connection.
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bobcollum
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I consider his opinion on Bin Laden just that; opinion. But he was there and saw who was being trained.
When you can tell me exactly who was trained at these terrorist facilities, we can rule out an Al-Quaeda connection.
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| Charles Deulfer, former Deputy Head, U.N. Special Commission for Iraq, told NPR, "There were lots of places in Iraq where training of non-Iraqis, or things, which by our lexicon would be considered terrorism, was taking place. That's why Iraq is on the terrorist list. Having a large aircraft, a 707, in a peninsula, completely visible from the air or from satellite, with no airline runways nearby, that's not there by accident." |
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I'm just trying to think back, but didn't they associate each terrorist on the planes of 9/11 to a flight school in this country? There were some in Florida, I think maybe a couple in Arizona(if my memory serves me correctly).
My point: The way you're framing this, it would have to be considered good news for the Bush administration. So why aren't they all over it?!? They could definitely use the good press, i'ts been a while.
This administration of propaganda allows me to make that comment, which would've seemed ridiculous 10 or 15 years ago. |
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So now you're complaining that the administration isn't using this more? But if they were, you'd complain about that. 
"Administration of propaganda" indeed... :rolleyes: |
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