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Michael Lees



Joined: Oct 19, 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:24 pm    Post subject:

Recently my Windows 98 SE became slooooooooowwww...

I thought it could be anything (I even posted a topic here), but in the end the culprit seems to be 99.99% my Norton AntiVirus 5.0. Well, at least if I disable it everything is very fast again.

I tried disabling Heuristics, but it made no difference. Then I also disabled scanning when opening/copying/moving files. But what's the point of having an AntiVirus then? Still, it made not much difference. I also checked that NAV was NOT scanning ALL files, but only certain types (DOC, EXE, etc., etc.).

I removed completely and re-installed NAV. No change. I then ran an EARLIER version of virus definitions. No change.

So, now I'm looking for a GOOD AntiVirus, preferably FREE, and that WON'T SLOW DOWN MY PC so much! I did purchase NAV in a very good deal here, and I'm not willing to pay very much.

Has anyone had a similar problem? Can anyone offer a suggestion? AVG? F-Prot? Huh?

By the way, I also have Norton Cleansweep running. COuld this influence?

My system is:

Windows 98 SE in Portuguese
Pentium II 233MHz
192Mb RAM
Primary HD: Seagate 10Gb 7200RPM
Secondary HD: Can't remember, 5Gb, 5400RPM
Motherboard: ASUS P2L97-S
Video CArd: ATI 3D Rage II
Sound Card: Creative AWE 64

Thanks to all
No network Card
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horsecharles



Joined: Sep 24, 2003
Posts: 4632



PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:31 pm    Post subject:

i wouldn't pay for AV. i'd also get a program that works in similar style against all the low-level pests that AV's cannot detect:
http://www.wilderssecurity.net/spywareguard.html , and then for AV
here are a couple:

avg like you said, http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php and

http://www.free-av.com/

good luck.
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wheelhorse42



Joined: Feb 27, 2003
Posts: 1171



PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:45 pm    Post subject:

Norton A.V is nothing but a fat hog. http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/security/fwvirus.html
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randiroo76073



Joined: Feb 15, 2003
Posts: 792



PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:12 pm    Post subject:

I agree with Horsecharles, add also SpywareBlaster while your at Wilders, the triple combo of AVG, SpywareBlaster & SpywareGuard gives you excellent protection w/o bogging your puter at all! Very Happy
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Rons



Joined: Dec 07, 2002
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:09 pm    Post subject:

Yeap - AVG works well. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:14 pm    Post subject:

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Yeap - AVG works well. Wink

AVG works well but does not give you the same amount of protection that NAV 2004 does. I would think that cleansweep is bogging your system down more than NAV. I am using NAV 2004 and my system is not bogged down, I am running WinXp though. Just a thought.
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MisterXPro



Joined: Mar 08, 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:17 pm    Post subject:

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AVG works well but does not give you the same amount of protection that NAV 2004 does. I would think that cleansweep is bogging your system down more than NAV. I am using NAV 2004 and my system is not bogged down, I am running WinXp though. Just a thought.

I agree with this statement as Cleansweep uses alot of resources but NAV uses hardly any. I have been using NAV for years and have never expierenced any bogging down.
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Michael Lees



Joined: Oct 19, 2003
Posts: 38



PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:58 pm    Post subject:

Well, AVG Free Edition is only free up to version 6 now, and with some limitations...

I noticed lots of good reviews on Avast! Anti Virus, and some comments mentioned that it is better than NAV, and that some people found similar problems I have with NAV, so I'm going to try Avast! this weekend.

I also use SpyBot S&D and run it regularly. No spyware found lately.

My father has WinXP and NAV 2003, and his system is fine. It's a newer ( a LOT newer) PC than mine, Pentium 4, etc., so it is a lot faster... but my PC is SIX YEARS OLD, a lot slower, but very fast for home use. I can't complain.

About Cleansweep, what's running is "only" the CSINJECT.EXE file, not the CleanSweep program or installation/Active-X monitor. I could not find much info about CSINJECT.EXE. Does anyone know exactly what it does? I would like to know if I can simply remove it from starting with Windows. Maybe I'll start a new topic on this if I can't find any info.

The fact is that NAV definitely seems to be my problem. De-activating it makes 100% difference, while CSINJECT.EXE seems to make no difference.

Thanks for the help.
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Rons



Joined: Dec 07, 2002
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject:

Michael Lees

Let us know your thoughts on Avast and how you like it.

Thanks, Rons :)

PS Have any gnomies seen this free offer for Symantec Works 2003?

http://www.guardyourpc.com/index.cgi?src=WC-00087aaa:33335:
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RandomBox



Joined: Dec 09, 2002
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:18 pm    Post subject:

Norton, Norton, Go Away
Norton, Norton, DON'T Come Back Some Other Day
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randiroo76073



Joined: Feb 15, 2003
Posts: 792



PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:53 pm    Post subject:

Quote:
PS Have any gnomies seen this free offer for Symantec Works 2003?

http://www.guardyourpc.com/index.cgi?src=WC-00087aaa:33335:

Ya well, they can put their free offer where the sun don't shine! That's something coming from me cause I'm a member of the Freeware Revolution, but Symantec, no thanks! Avast is pretty good, just a little slow on scan. I use it to backup AVG, I also use Anti-Vir & A2 as backups. Just don't run but 1 with active scan[realtime].
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Saint Satin Stain



Joined: Aug 06, 2003
Posts: 262

Location: Huntsville, AL; NYC

PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:09 am    Post subject:

Please check this offer:

http://www.my-etrust.com/microsoft/registe...#036;YTU=546237
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MisterXPro



Joined: Mar 08, 2004
Posts: 247



PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:19 am    Post subject:

That offer seems to be genuine as i have succesfully downloaded the offered product from there web site and will test it soon and let you all know how it checks out
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Rons



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:25 am    Post subject:

MisterXPro,

I look forward to your opinion. Wink
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Saint Satin Stain



Joined: Aug 06, 2003
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Location: Huntsville, AL; NYC

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:11 am    Post subject:

I haven't had any problems. I have the antivirus set auto and to check every 8 hours for update; I have a scheduled scan each day at 3:33 each day. You may really love the interface; it makes it very easy to scan any folder(s). I would also like to read your experience with it. No system is really like another.
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bigd1



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:55 am    Post subject:

Michael,

Run, don't walk to msconfig and delete csinject. It's a resource hog. Never did really understand what it did, but was told by many in another forum that I was on (when using 98SE) to dump it. Solved a lot of slow down problems.

Since going to XP, Symantec System Works seems to have gotten worse. When my license expired for2003, I deleted it all and loaded the Corporate Version of AV. Easy to schedule and use (plus I get it free from work).
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goretsky



Joined: Dec 07, 2002
Posts: 9826

Location: Southern California

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:42 pm    Post subject:

Hello,

Have you checked to make sure you have the latest operating system patches installed from Microsoft's Windows Update service, as well as the latest BIOSes, device drivers and other software for your computer's hardware?

Perhaps the slow-down you are experiencing is the result of an incompatibility between one of them and Norton Anti Virus, although as you suggest it probably is more an issue with the age of the computer's hardware.

Have you considered installing a faster CPU and/or more memory? Asus seems to be having some web site issues at the moment, but from doing some searching it appears the P2L97-S motherboard will support an Intel Pentium II 333MHz processor and 384MB of SDRAM. Presumably that would improve performance somewhat, although it might be a wiser investment to put the money towards a new computer.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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maldonna



Joined: Dec 07, 2002
Posts: 24



PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:46 pm    Post subject:

I have been using AVG and Avast alternating useage periodically with my start menu (using Startup Cop). Things were fine under this arrangement but since my IP offered the eTrust EZ Antivirus and firewall free I decided to try it. I now have the most insidious virus I`ve ever experienced. I`ll ask about it in this forum. However I doubt that I got it because of the AV change since several of my friends have also acquired this virus and are each using different AV`s. One uses the free AVG and another the Symtec (? spelling) which he pays for. So I can`t really say that eTrust is no good but only that it didn`t do any better at detecting my current virus than any other AV.
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Michael Lees



Joined: Oct 19, 2003
Posts: 38



PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 9:44 pm    Post subject:

Several replies in one:

Avast! - Well, so far so good! It has some nice things, and is quite configurable. Even with all the real-time scan options enabled there is only a slight difference when running certain programs, and almost no difference when performing other operations. For example, opening Opera Browser 7.23: no anti-virus = 4s, Avast! = 6-7s, NAV = 60s (!). I don't like the interface very much. I'd rather have a regular Windows interface instead of the skins. But it's just a detail. It's a bit tricky to find all the settings, probably because I was used to finding them in NAV in a different way. The virus def. updates are very fast, because they are incremental (no need to download a 4.5Mb file everytime, like on NAV), and it takes only a minute or so. And Avast! quickly checks for updates automatically (if I want). Avast! also has some special features for Internet mail (SMTP, POP, IMAP, etc.), and includes support for The Bat!, which I'm using at the moment. But the support for The Bat! didn't work: The Bat! would crash all the time, so I had to remove it. No problem really, because the real-time monitoring is more than enough to detect an infected attachment (I think). Avast! also has this Virus Recovery Database, which "stores information about the actual state of the files, doing it three version back of each file". This can be done on demand, during idle moments, screen saver, etc. Plus, it is free! You just have to register and re-register every 90 days (I think), but free of charge. The Home Edition doesn't have some posh features such as advanced menus and options, schedulling, etc., but I think schedulling can be done using Windows' schedulling agent. I can't remember the other advanced options...

The Help file is quite good. I haven't been through it all yet, but it has lots of details and is easy to find things in.

There is this thing called the Log Viewer, which is supposed to show all the logs, but no matter how I configure things the Log Viewer shows nothing! I tried setting Avast! to log all operations, all real-time scanning, but nothing appears in the log, even if I run the scan on all my PC. I have to read about it in the Help file. I could be missing something or doing something wrong.

To make a long story short: Avast! seems to be pretty good up to now. I have only tested it with a fake virus, and it worked OK. It uses a lot less resources than NAV, and the updates are small and fast. More than enough for home use.

CleanSweep & CSINJECT.EXE - Yes, I'll indeed deactivate it in MSCONFIG. Never made any sense to me for it to be there. Still, I don't notice much effect of it on my system. However, CleanSweep opens and runs fast and fine. I particularly use it to monitor software installations and as a complement when un-installing software. It removes things that the regular un-installing sometimes doesn't. I don't think it uses much resources on my system.

Symantec Offer - It's not really free. Still, I don't want it. Other people have complained about it, and my Norton Utilities works fine.

My hardware - Indeed, my hardware is old. So old it uses ISA video and sound cards. So old I have difficulty in finding parts for it (specially memory). In theory, the ASUS P2L97-S MB could only work with PC-66 memory. However, I currently have 2 64MB PC-66 and one 64Mb PC-100. The PC-100 just runs slower. Never had a problem. All tested thoroughly with MemTest86. But I could never get a 128Mb module to work properly, even though it IS supported. Yes, I looked in to upgrading, but it is more worth to invest in a new PC, definitely, so I'm not going for any upgrade. But I can't complain, because with 192Mb and a 7200RPM Hard Drive my system is quite fast, specially now that I removed NAV.

Norton Anti-Virus - THis was definitely THE problem, the culprit for slowing down my PC. Strange though, because it NEVER did slow it down much at all before, only slightly, but suddenly the whole thing was sooooo slow. Incredibly, I had to wait ONE MINUTE for the system to unfreeze for almost any operation I did. Even changing NAV's settings didn't make an effect, only disabling it. I thought it was the virus definition update, but after re-installing and using older defs, no diff.

Other Tweaks - I did a couple of other tweaks using X-Setup and HD Cacheman. I re-configured the swap file and made max and min size equal so it won't defragment, and it seemes to have helped. I also tried setting Explorer.exe to run in High Priority automatically, using X-Setup, but whenever I run Windows I check Explorer and it's running in Normal Priority. So I change it's Priority manually using either PrcView or Process Explorer. It does make a bit of a difference.

Other AVs - I'm going to keep Avast! for some time and see how it goes in the long run. I heard about EZ Armor and AntiVir PE, but I won't try them yet. Does anyone else use EZ Armour or AntiVir PE? What are your opinions and comparisons with Avast!, AVG or NAV?

Thanks for all your help.
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greycat



Joined: Dec 07, 2002
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:21 pm    Post subject:

I got Avast! a couple weeks ago and I'm totally delighted with it!! It updates as much as twice in a day, quickly and without slowing anything down and tells me it's done it. It caught some weird smilies a friend was putting in her emails but it lets me make up my own mind what I'm going to do. It was easy to set up, certainly seems to be working properly and I'm totally happy with it.
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