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gcarlson
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 Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: WMDs are not just for Kix any more |
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The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003
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and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.
"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.
Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."
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Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions. |
But it does show that Saddam lied, and Bush did not. |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Santorum's trying to boost his sagging poll numbers. All of this has been reported before and these were not the WMDs that we went to war about. The Pentagon and the Iraq Survery Group have said that and even the President has said so himself.
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Sgt Schultz wrote: |
Santorum's trying to boost his sagging poll numbers. All of this has been reported before and these were not the WMDs that we went to war about. The Pentagon and the Iraq Survery Group have said that and even the President has said so himself.
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Sorry, the second verse is not the same as the first.
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| Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, |
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Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified
now, |
But you assertion about Santorum is probably right. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Since it's taken us 4 years to find them, you don't think it's possible that they had been misplaced and Saddam didn't even know where they were?
Did these weigh 790 tons by any chance?
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
Since it's taken us 4 years to find them, you don't think it's possible that they had been misplaced and Saddam didn't even know where they were?
Did these weigh 790 tons by any chance?
http://www.kisseveryconservativesass.com/ |
Hmmm...must not have read the linked article, or the declassified Pentagon papers. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| gcarlson wrote: |
But it does show that Saddam lied, and Bush did not. |
From your link.....
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Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war." |
Old degraded weapons leftover from the Iraq-Iran war.... 
You are clutching at straws...... |
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Gary66
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
Since it's taken us 4 years to find them, you don't think it's possible that they had been misplaced and Saddam didn't even know where they were?
Did these weigh 790 tons by any chance?
http://www.kisseveryconservativesass.com/ |
I find your link to be offensive. Certainly must violate some rule. |
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clhenry
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| And it shows Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| And it shows Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed. |
You know, this is the part that I didn't understand. I was flipping past Hannity and Colmes last night, when I heard them talking about it, so I watched. Colmes was saying that we didn't need to be in Iraq because some report (don't remember which one) said that Saddam had destroyed all of his chemical weapons stockpiles in 1991. Note the key word, all. In the next sentence, he said that these weapons found weren't significant because they were pre-1991 weapons. How the h*** can he have destroyed ALL his weapons in 1991 if we found weapons that were PRE-1991?!?!  
Of course, Santorum also asked Colmes to tell him who the "senior defence dept. official" since he said this report clearly lists MODERN weapons as well. Not that I expected the left to spin this any other way. I can just imagine the hurried meeting: "Oops, Bush was right again. Quick, we need a good lie!"
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Gary66 wrote: |
| ejward wrote: |
Since it's taken us 4 years to find them, you don't think it's possible that they had been misplaced and Saddam didn't even know where they were?
Did these weigh 790 tons by any chance?
http://www.kisseveryconservativesass.com/ |
I find your link to be offensive. Certainly must violate some rule. |
Decency, Decorum, and intelligence.
But that is just liberals. |
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Colmes is a nice guy, but he just pulled the perfet liberal faux pas! |
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Gary66
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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And they complain about Ann Colter.   |
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Gary66 wrote: |
| And they complain about Ann Colter. |
Of course! She wont bed them! Wouldn't you complain? |
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ejward
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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ejward
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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It's offensive to expect the administration to find just 1% of the WMD that they told us Saddam had? 
I made a promise to everyone here over a year ago that I would publically apologize to every conservative out there if they found just one pile of of WMD's equal to just 1% of what they insisted Saddam had. so far, that hasn't happened. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| There's no way that THESE weapons could have been misplaced? Hmmm, let's see ... I thought Saddam hide all of his WMD's in the run up to the war? I thought they all went to Syaria? Isn't that what you were saying a while ago? If that's the case, why didn't these go? Seeems to me that somebody forgot about them. |
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Gary66
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| There's no way that THESE weapons could have been misplaced? Hmmm, let's see ... I thought Saddam hide all of his WMD's in the run up to the war? I thought they all went to Syaria? Isn't that what you were saying a while ago? If that's the case, why didn't these go? Seeems to me that somebody forgot about them. |
You have a source for your wild accusations  |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
It's offensive to expect the administration to find just 1% of the WMD that they told us Saddam had?
I made a promise to everyone here over a year ago that I would publically apologize to every conservative out there if they found just one pile of of WMD's equal to just 1% of what they insisted Saddam had. so far, that hasn't happened. |
Do you know for sure that hasn't happened? I don't know what's in those 500 weapons. I don't know if that means 500 shells, 500 cases, 500 barrels, 500 tanker, etc. If we take the '7.9 tons' from the first part of that "page", then 500 weapons would only have to average 31.6 lbs each. Depending on what the are, that's possible. To claim that it hasn't happened yet is premature, when you don't know what has been found - or what else has been found that hasn't been declassified, since this report is new. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| There's no way that THESE weapons could have been misplaced? Hmmm, let's see ... I thought Saddam hide all of his WMD's in the run up to the war? I thought they all went to Syaria? Isn't that what you were saying a while ago? If that's the case, why didn't these go? Seeems to me that somebody forgot about them. |
How could these weapons have been misplaced? Haven't all the liberals here and everywhere been saying that Saddam destroyed ALL his WMD's? Isn't that why you all say we shouldn't have gone to war, Bush lied, etc? How could there be anything to "misplace" if it was ALL destroyed?
Spin, Spin, Spin. Like I said earlier, "Oops, Bush was right again. Quick, we need a good lie!"
Edited for spelling (d'oh!)
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ejward
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: WMDs are not just for Kix any more [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Gary66 wrote: |
| ejward wrote: |
| There's no way that THESE weapons could have been misplaced? Hmmm, let's see ... I thought Saddam hide all of his WMD's in the run up to the war? I thought they all went to Syaria? Isn't that what you were saying a while ago? If that's the case, why didn't these go? Seeems to me that somebody forgot about them. |
You have a source for your wild accusations |
What accusations? They are questions. |
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