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Gary66
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Not at all, was only trying to lighten the mood, but it didn't come off very well via my keyboard.... as I posted there: I guess humor isn't always welcome..... I apologize and will remove the posts.... I was actually trying for clarification but my sarcasm didn't flow well online.......i do apologize....geez....tough croud
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Yes but we do not have such a luxury as to only apologize.
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clhenry
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flame bait
A message posted in an online forum, message board, or newsgroup to make others mad and start a flame war. Flame baits are less constructive than trolls, as they usually draw more name-calling and acrimony than correction or discussion. Also, flame baits are considered to be more of a venting of opinion than a troll, which contains deliberate lies. See troll. See flame. |
I am still amazed that this is allowed to go on, and when you complain about it you are threarened with repercussions.
Maybe instead of ignoring the individual in question like i have been doing for the past 3 weeks, i will just quote the above from Jeber and insert it as a reply. That shouldn't be breaking any rules. 
I never thought it was much to ask for everybody to be created equal, but i guess i'm wrong. |
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Debora
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| I've never known of a case whereby the person who complains is "threarened with repercussions".... please pm me with that info and I'll be glad to check it out...... and seriously.... I was only trying to be funny but somehow it didn't come off that way..... |
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tony7914
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| I'm still waiting for that definition and an explanation of why some are still allowed to do it. |
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Gary66
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We have lives, too.
We try to respond to every PM we get every day from members with legitimate questions about board functions and the like, but speaking for myself, I don't feel obliged to defend my actions when they are not only in full compliance of forum rules but are also in keeping with policies already posted in the forums.
Political Geeks is too often host to flame baits and personal attacks. All who post there should be aware those posts and threads will be deleted as soon as they're noticed, without warning.
The only way to avoid this is to follow the rules and guidelines as posted.
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Please define "Flame baits."
Below is the definition I found.
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flame bait
A message posted in an online forum, message board, or newsgroup to make others mad and start a flame war. Flame baits are less constructive than trolls, as they usually draw more name-calling and acrimony than correction or discussion. Also, flame baits are considered to be more of a venting of opinion than a troll, which contains deliberate lies. See troll. See flame.
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Source.
So would this definition apply to cut and paste posts specifically intended to inflame other members? Or quoting people out of context? Or posting opinion pieces in threads not related to the post to drag the thread off topic and upset other users?
You folks have a double standard going on here, maybe it might be a good idea to pass it on up the line and get someone higher up to settle the issue in a fashion that works for everyone, because it is obviously not getting settled at this level.
Good people have left the forum because the source of the problem is never dealt with. What your doing is treating the symptoms rather than the disease.
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You are right 4 out of the top 10 posters , no longer post here. |
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tony7914
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flame bait
A message posted in an online forum, message board, or newsgroup to make others mad and start a flame war. Flame baits are less constructive than trolls, as they usually draw more name-calling and acrimony than correction or discussion. Also, flame baits are considered to be more of a venting of opinion than a troll, which contains deliberate lies. See troll. See flame. |
I am still amazed that this is allowed to go on, and when you complain about it you are threarened with repercussions.
Maybe instead of ignoring the individual in question like i have been doing for the past 3 weeks, i will just quote the above from Jeber and insert it as a reply. That shouldn't be breaking any rules.
I never thought it was much to ask for everybody to be created equal, but i guess i'm wrong.
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Apparently it is to much to ask.
So does this mean its alright to quote people out of context, dredge up old topics that have been hashed over countless times before, dismiss documented facts as "nonsense and lies" as well as create our own facts and refuse to debate them, deluge the board with op-ed pieces, and insult other countries soldiers, leaders, and citizens? Those kinds of posts don't seem to get deleted like ones based on facts such as certain acts of human trafficking. |
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Gary66
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Why do we have a mod responding to posts now trying to edge other members on now?? Sure seems like the only intent is to get them to say something so they can be banned. Is that now the job of Mod. or adm?
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Good question. |
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Gary66
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Why do we have a mod responding to posts now trying to edge other members on now?? Sure seems like the only intent is to get them to say something so they can be banned. Is that now the job of Mod. or adm?
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This is now getting to be very obvious. |
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ejward
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It's obvious that the mods are trying to ban everyone so they have the boards to themselves.  |
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Debora
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I'm glad it obvious to you because we've only banned like two people that I can even remember myself............
besides we don't want the boards to ourselves, where would all the fun debating go then??? :laugh: :harhar:
ok lost two smiles in that one...... that was meant as a joke totally..... |
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mommabear
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Why do we have a mod responding to posts now trying to edge other members on now?? Sure seems like the only intent is to get them to say something so they can be banned. Is that now the job of Mod. or adm?
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This is now getting to be very obvious.
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I don't see that. But I do see more of an inclination on the mods-admins to call out someone else when what they personally said, or what someone else has said, gets deliberately distorted. When that happens, going on the offense is far better than playing defense and wasting time trying to explain how you are being taken out of context. Sometimes crap is just that. Crap. Better to call it what it is and move on.
Actually, I'm finding this new trend rather refreshing. |
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Gary66
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Why do we have a mod responding to posts now trying to edge other members on now?? Sure seems like the only intent is to get them to say something so they can be banned. Is that now the job of Mod. or adm?
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I was referring to this and only this.
Why do we have a mod responding to posts now trying to edge other members on now?? Sure seems like the only intent is to get them to say something so they can be banned. Is that now the job of Mod. or adm?
I will not discuss this any further in the open forum other to say that Tony is still waiting for an answer. |
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12quidkidinnit
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Blocks to Listening
A college lecturer I met years ago gave me this. Over the years, I have found it useful on occasions. I just found it again and thought it might be interesting to post here. Before you read it, please remember, it is intended as an aid to effective communication, and nothing more.
* Please excuse any typing errors, I had to scan it as a word document and then correct where it had mis read things . .
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BLOCKS TO LISTENING
There are twelve blocks to listening. You will find that some are old favourites that you use over and over. Others are held in reserve for certain types of people or situations. Everyone uses listening blocks, so you shouldn't worry if a lot of blocks are familiar. This is an opportunity to become more aware of your blocks at time you actually use them.
1. COMPARING
Comparing makes it hard to listen because you're always trying to assess who is smarter, more competent, more emotionally healthy, you or the other person.
Some people focus on who has suffered more, who' s a bigger victim. While someone's talking, you think to yourself: "Could I do it that well? I've had it harder, he doesn't know what hard is……I earn more than that…..kids are so much brighter."
You can't let much in because you're always comparing yourself.
2. MIND READING
The mind reader doesn't pay much attention to what people say. In fact, they often distrust it, They're trying to figure out what the other person is really thinking and feeling. "She says she wants to go to the show, but I'll bet she's tired and wants to relax. she might be resentful if I pushed her when she doesn't want to go."
The mind reader pays less attention to words that to intonations and subtle cues in an effort to see through to the truth.
If you are a mind reader, you probably make assumptions about how people react to you, "I bet they think I'm stupid..., She's turned off by my shyness........I bet he's looking at my spotty skin."
These notions are born of intuition, hunches, and vague misgivings, but have little to do with what the person actually says to you,
3. REHEARSING
You don't have time to listen when you're rehearsing what to say. Your whole attention is on the preparation of your next comment. You have to look interested, but your mind is going a mile a minute because you've got a story to tell, or a point to make. Some people rehearse whole chains of responses; "I'll say, then he'll say, then I'll say" and so on.
4.FILTERING
When you filter, you listen to some things and not to others. You pay only enough attention to see somebody's angry, or unhappy, or if you are in emotional danger. Once you are assured that communication contains none of these things you let your mind wander.
One woman listens just enough to her son to learn whether he is fighting at school again, relieved to hear he isn't, she begins thinking about her shopping list. A young man quickly ascertains what kind of mood his girlfriend is in. If she seems happy as she describes her day, his thoughts begin wandering,
Another way people filter is simply to avoid hearing certain things, particularly anything threatening, negative, critical, or unpleasant. It's as if the words were never said, you simply have no memory of them.
5. JUDGING
Negative labels have enormous power. If you pre judge someone as stupid or silly, you don't pay much attention to what they say. You have already written them off. Hastily judging a statement as immoral, hypocritical, or crazy means ceasing to listen. A basic rule of listening is that judgements should only be made after you have heard and evaluated the content of the message.
6. DREAMING
You are half listening and something the person says suddenly triggers a chain of private associations. Your neighbour says she's been laid off, and in a flash you're back to a scene where you got fired. Your mind has wandered.
You are more prone to dreaming when you feel bored or anxious, everybody dreams, and you sometimes need to make enormous efforts to stay tuned in, but if you dream a lot with certain people. it may indicate a lack of commitment to knowing or appreciating them, At the very least, it's a statement that you don't value what they have to say very much
7. IDENTIFYING
In this block, you take everything a person tells you and refer back to your own experience. They want to tell you about a toothache, but that reminds you of a time you had oral treatment for an abscess. You launch into your own story before they can finish theirs. Everything you hear reminds you of something that you've felt, done or suffered. You're so busy with these exciting tales of your life that there’s no time to really hear or get to know the other person.
8. ADVISING
You are the great problem solver, ready with help and suggestions. You don't have to hear more than a few sentences before your brain is searching for the right advice. However while you are cooking up suggestions and convincing someone to "just try it," you may miss what's most important. You didn't hear feelings, and you didn't acknowledge the persons pain. He or she still feels basically alone because you couldn't listen or just be there.
9. SPARRING
This block has you arguing and debating with people. The other person never feels heard because you're so quick to disagree. In fact, a lot of your focus is on finding things to disagree with. You take strong stands, are very clear about your beliefs and preferences. The way to avoid sparring is to repeat back and acknowledge what you've heard. Look for things you might agree with.
One subtype of sparring is the put-down. You use sarcastic remarks to dismiss the other persons point of view. For example, Helen starts telling Arthur about problems in a biology class. Arthur says; "When are you going to have brains enough to drop that class ?
Al is feeling overwhelmed with the noise from the television. When he tells Rebecca, she says "Oh God, not the TV routine again." The put-down is the standard block to listening in many marriages. It quickly pushes communication into stereotyped patterns where each person repeats a familiar hostile speech.
A second type of sparring is discounting. Discounting is for people who can't stand compliments. "Oh, I didn't do anything. What do you mean, I was useless ! It is nice of you to say, but it's really a very poor attempt." The other person never feels satisfied that you really heard his appreciation. And he's
right. You didn't.
10. BEING RIGHT
Being right means you will go to any lengths (twist the facts, start shouting, make excuses or accusations, call up past sins) to avoid being wrong. You can't listen to criticism, you can't be corrected, and you can't take suggestions to change.
Your convictions are unshakeable. Since you won't acknowledge that your mistakes are mistakes, you just keep making them.
11. DERAILING
This listening block is accomplished by suddenly changing the subject. You derail the train of any conversation when you get bored or are uncomfortable with a topic. Another way of derailing is by joking it off. This means a joke or a quip in order to avoid the discomfort or anxiety in seriously listening to the other person.
12. PLACATING
Right..right..right.absolutely... I know... of course you are.. incredible...Yes...really?" You want to be nice or pleasant and supportive. You want people to like you. So you agree with everything. You may half listen, just enough to get the drift, but you're not really involved. You are placating rather than tuning in and examining what's being said.
You've read the blocks, and you probably have an idea which ones belong to you.
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