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kenmabmcc

Joined: Nov 20, 2003 Posts: 8179
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. |
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| The new American arms shipment to Israel
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| The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, American officials said Friday. |
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| But Israel’s request for expedited delivery of the satellite and laser-guided bombs was described as unusual by some military officers, and as an indication that Israel still had a long list of targets in Lebanon to strike. |
Bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. It is a war crime. Precision-guided bombs just more precisely kill civilians.
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al bundy

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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ken your statement would be true and i would agree with it if it was the terrorist who were getting the precision guided bombs. let's look at the facts. if the Israeli's were purposely targeting civilians the death toll of Lebanese civilians would be in the thousands while on the other hand if hezbollah could accurately aim their rockets the Israeli civilian death toll would be in the thousands.
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oldwolves

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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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This from todays, American Thinker blog site. It may help Ken. Maybe.
War crimes double standards
Check out this buried correction at the New York Times(JUly 20,2006) involving the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights:
An article yesterday about a statement released by Louise Arbour, the United Nations high commissioner for human rights, in which she said that the killing of civilians in the Middle East conflict may constitute war crimes, omitted part of a quotation. The passage, with italics indicating the missing words, should have read: “Indiscriminate shelling of cities constitutes a foreseeable and unacceptable targeting of civilians. Similarly, the bombardment of sites with alleged military significance, but resulting invariably in the killing of innocent civilians, is unjustifiable.” (Go to Article)
“Alleged military significance”? Presumably, this means that Ms. Arbour would find no military sites.
Of course, Ms. Harbour ignroes the fact that placing military facilities in the midst of civilian areas is a war crime. Hezbollah places missiles into or next to civilians homes; they prevent civilians from leaving embattled areas; they located their forces among civilian areas.
Do these experts read the applicable law? From our friends at Soros-funded Human Rights Watch:
What does International Humanitarian Law say about attacks against civilians and hostage takings?
Attacks directed against civilians and civilian objects (such as houses, mosques, etc.) are serious violations of IHL. However, civilian objects used for military purposes may become legitimate targets, as discussed below.
The taking or executing of hostages – that is, holding persons to deter an enemy attack or otherwise influence enemy actions – is prohibited. Attacks against civilians and hostage-takings are war crimes.
An occupying power is specifically prohibited from carrying out reprisals and collective penalties against persons or their property and from taking hostages. In general, no one can be punished for acts that he or she has not personally committed.
When are attacks affecting civilian areas permitted?
IHL permits attacks on military targets located in civilian areas, so long as the weapons used can discriminate between the military target and the civilian population, and the anticipated harm to civilians is not disproportionate to the expected definite military advantage gained from the attack.
When do civilians become legitimate military targets and thus subject to attack?
Civilians become valid military targets if they are taking a direct part in the hostilities. Thus armed insurgents taking part in a battle would be subject to attack, as would a civilian directing military forces and planning attacks. Civilians otherwise directly assisting fighters during a battle, such as supplying ammunition to combatants, would become valid military targets.
Civilians indirectly assisting an armed force, such as those providing meals or lodging to insurgents, would not be legitimate targets. However, if such persons are harmed incidentally to an attack on fighters, the attack would not be unlawful so long as the civilian loss is not disproportionate to the military advantage to the attacker.
Armed insurgents have a legal obligation not to place civilians at risk. A defender who uses civilians as “human shields” to protect military targets from attack is in violation of IHL whether the civilians acted voluntarily or not. However, should armed forces attack a military target being protected by “human shields” they must still ensure that the harm done to the civilians is not disproportionate to the military advantage gained.
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So Ken, What do you think?
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Gary66

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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
The new American arms shipment to Israel
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| The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, American officials said Friday. |
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| But Israel’s request for expedited delivery of the satellite and laser-guided bombs was described as unusual by some military officers, and as an indication that Israel still had a long list of targets in Lebanon to strike. |
Bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. It is a war crime. Precision-guided bombs just more precisely kill civilians. |
I think your right Ken. Everything that is going on in the world today is the US's fault. If the US did not enter WWII then their would be no Israel, and you would be speaking Japanese (maybe) . I say maybe as the German's may not have stopped with the Jews.
So you go on bashing the US. Just take a look back in time and ask yourself a question? Would I like Schnitzel  |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Would I like Schnitzel  |
Many people worldwide enjoy Schnitzel.  |
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al bundy

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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| what we are missing on this story is the fact that once again the slimes is trying to hurt America by inflaming the Arab world against the u.s. they report it as we are suddenly shipping weapons to Israel to kill Lebanese civilians when in fact these weapons were purchased and approved by congress over a year ago. |
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Gary66

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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| Gary66 wrote: |
Would I like Schnitzel  |
Many people worldwide enjoy Schnitzel.  |
As a daily diet? Along with your sushi? |
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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The Zoolanders favorite dish,,,,schnitzel mit sushi!  |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| al bundy wrote: |
| what we are missing on this story is the fact that once again the slimes is trying to hurt America by inflaming the Arab world against the u.s. they report it as we are suddenly shipping weapons to Israel to kill Lebanese civilians when in fact these weapons were purchased and approved by congress over a year ago. |
American supplied weapons, have been used by Israeli forces to kill Arabs, for many years, as Congress and most Americans know. |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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The Zoolanders favorite dish,,,,schnitzel mit sushi!  |
As a small country made up of people who have come from many nations, we enjoy a vast array international cuisine, as well as schnitzel and sushi.
Unfortunately, we also have those American fast fat food establishments. |
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Gary66

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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| TheShadow wrote: |
The Zoolanders favorite dish,,,,schnitzel mit sushi!  |
As a small country made up of people who have come from many nations, we enjoy a vast array international cuisine, as well as schnitzel and sushi.
Unfortunately, we also have those American fast fat food establishments. |
Don't forget the cannibals.  |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Gary66 wrote: |
| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| TheShadow wrote: |
The Zoolanders favorite dish,,,,schnitzel mit sushi!  |
As a small country made up of people who have come from many nations, we enjoy a vast array international cuisine, as well as schnitzel and sushi.
Unfortunately, we also have those American fast fat food establishments. |
Don't forget the cannibals.  |
Sorry, had not realized the Americans had supplied the Cannibals also.
Please excuse me for overlooking this.
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Gary66

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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| Gary66 wrote: |
| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| TheShadow wrote: |
The Zoolanders favorite dish,,,,schnitzel mit sushi!  |
As a small country made up of people who have come from many nations, we enjoy a vast array international cuisine, as well as schnitzel and sushi.
Unfortunately, we also have those American fast fat food establishments. |
Don't forget the cannibals.  |
Sorry, had not realized the Americans had supplied the Cannibals also.
Please excuse me for overlooking this.
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: Re: U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis. [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Only a cannibal would eat fast fat food.  |
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