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bern



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Services.msc

I wish to improve speed and resources of my computer by getting rid of some unused/unwanted services.

I can use services.msc to "disable" them.

I can also use the command line interface to "delete" them.

Is the end result the same? Does the "disable" with serrvices.msc result in as much of a resource recovery as total deletion does? (not talking about hard drive space here).

How about using the "manual" mode. When the service is "stopped" does it use any resources?

thanks

PS I am well aware that disabling some services can cripple my computer. I have a good conception of what is essential.
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tbernstein



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject:

Start here...
http://www.blackviper.com/

Disable stops them from running. That's more than enough to stop them using system resources.
Delete means they're not there if you ever need them. (I've never heard of anyone doing, or wanting to do that).
Manual means the system will call them if it needs it - and for many services that is enough.
Auto means it's on whether it's needed or not. But for some services you'll need that.
See the Black Viper site for more information.
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zlim



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject:

Tell me the command to delete a service, please.

I had Acronis installed, since removed because I run it strictly from the recovery CD outside of windows. It added to my services list (windows 2000) and I could not figure out how to remove it.
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bern



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

zlim wrote:
Tell me the command to delete a service, please.

I had Acronis installed, since removed because I run it strictly from the recovery CD outside of windows. It added to my services list (windows 2000) and I could not figure out how to remove it.


The following website gives a set of commands to remove bonjour services from a computer.

http://arai.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/completly-uninstall-and-remove-bo...ur-serv

The commands listed were as follows:

1. Go to [Start > Run] and type the following command and hit OK.
* “%PROGRAMFILES%\Bonjour\mDNSResponder.exe” -remove
2. Go to [Start > Run] again and type the following command and hit OK.
* regsvr32 /u “%PROGRAMFILES%\Bonjour\mdnsNSP.dll”

I did not try this, as I am satisfied with the services.msc approach.

You might also try this:

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/archive/index.php/t-157441.html
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I became painfully aware of "Services" when I first installed Windows XP, years ago.
There are several very good web sites where all the windows services are discussed. Black Viper is one of my favorite sites.
www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

Using information gleaned from those sites I was able to put together a batch file that would shut down or put into manual mode, about 20 services for XP and about 30+ for Vista.
Looking at the site, just now, I see he's leaving "DNS Client" turned ON.
I've disabled it on my own PC.
Some things like that are more or less "Local Option".
If in doubt about some service being safe to Disable, then just put it in Manual mode and if some program needs it, that program can start it up.

On the "Black Vipers" site, there is a Services chart and one column marked SAFE,,,,, that's where I got my own list of Services to shut down.

For a long time, before I wrote the batch file, I disabled the services manually in "Services.msc" on every PC I worked on. That process would take me about 15 to 20 minutes.
Now with the batch file, I can do the same job in about one second.

Good Luck,
The Doctor Cool
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I read a lot of Internet Forums and when this topic comes up, many 'So Called' Experts say that shutting down services makes little or NO difference in the performance of windows.

I don't see how lessening 'Overhead' can help but improve system performance.
That's just my personal feelings on the subject, so I go ahead and shut down services that I don't need or want running all the time.

But there is one registry tweak that I use that definitely DOES improve performance.

As windows runs, it's constantly accessing sub-routines from the Windows Kernel.
That file, resides on the Hard Drive, by default.
But like many Windows Defaults, that too can be altered.

Instead of Windows having to access the hard drive every time it needs some data, if the Kernel is uploaded to RAM on boot-up, performance is greatly enhanced. There is a very simple registry tweak to get the OS to perform this upload. The MS programmers gave us this option.

Here's that tweak:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop]
"AutoEndTasks"="1"
"HungAppTimeout"="1000"
"WaitToKillAppTimeout"="1000"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control]
"WaitToKillServiceTimeout"="1000"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management]
"DisablePagingExecutive"="1"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management]
"LargeSystemCache"="1"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced]
"EnableBalloonTips"=dword:00000000

[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Compress old files]


You can just copy and paste the blue lines into a new "Notepad" document and Save-As with a name like XPTweaks.reg
(copy and paste..... do not try to type these lines into Notepad)

After running this program just once, reboot your computer and you'll have a much improved PC.
As with any change to your registry, it's always advisable to make a registry restore point before running the script.

* If you are using the "Windows Media Center" version of XP, DO NOT use this script. It will crash Windows.
You've been warned! Twisted Evil

Since this tweak loads the Windows Kernel into RAM memory, it's important to have enough ram already installed in your PC, or system performance can actually be negatively impacted. I suggest at least 2 gigs for XP and 3+ gigs for Vista and Win-7.

Actually I've incorporated several registry tweaks into this one file.
The first two settings speed up Windows shutdown.
The next two settings increase system performance,
while the next one just removes those annoying Balloon Tips and the last one removes the option to Compress Old Files from 'Disk Cleanup'.
When you Compress Old Files, the data remains on your hard drive and Disk Cleanup is slowed down considerably.

I hope this helps someone. Wink

The Doctor Cool


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zlim



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:14 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

bern, unfortunately bonjour is not the service I want removed; it is something that Acronis added Acronis Scheduler2. I think it had something to do if I wanted to make automatic backups in the background. I uninstalled Acronis but the service still appears in the list of services.
I do not want to switch to disabled - that's already been done. I want the unneeded service out of the listing.

I'll keep looking. It seems like there should be a way to remove a service added by a program that is not part of the windows install.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's gone! Very Happy
I found a thread at Wilder's that discussed various issues with Acronis and also showed some registry keys. I ran regedit, went to
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\AcrSch2Svc]
and deleted the key. Rebooted and it is no longer in the list of services.

There are some legacy keys but I know from cleaning up Sunbelt Software, beta, that legacy keys can't be removed. That doesn't bother me. I just wanted my services list to show what services windows uses, I don't need extra that lots of programs add whether I tell them to or not.
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Laughing Laughing Laughing

You still didn't remove the actual Service (file).
All you did was remove the registry entry for that service.

What you need to do is find the name of the service itself, as it resides on your hard drive and then delete that file.

Totally getting rid of Acronis, once it's been installed on your computer can be a real nightmare.
I've been there and done that. Wink

I find that running Acronis from a boot CD is much better and that keeps it off of the hard drive all together.

If you run "Services.msc" and then find the service you want to query, right click it and then click "Properties".
On the General tab, you will find the actual name of that service. Then you can do a "Search" for that name and when found, right click it and delete it.
Job done. (the service has been permanently deleted)

Just a thought, Wink

Cheers!
The Doctor Cool

PS:
I just tried this and found that the services files are .dll files and will be found in the C:\Windows\System32 and the C:\Windows\System32\dllcache folders.

If you really want to eliminate a service, DO delete the file from both locations.
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zlim



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Keep in mind I'm not running XP.
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Then maybe, you shouldn't be responding to people who do. ???
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BudDurland



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

drwho07 wrote:
Looking at the site, just now, I see he's leaving "DNS Client" turned ON.
I've disabled it on my own PC.


A word of caution -- for most people, disabling the DNS client service does not harm and may actually provide a small performance increase. Be careful in corporate environments, however -- Microsoft's Active Directory makes heavy use of DNS, and the DNS client handles some of AD's extentions (what, you expected MS to not try to make an open standard proprietary?)
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PhotoCarp



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

drwho07 wrote:
Then maybe, you shouldn't be responding to people who do. ???

Jeez, Doc. Who peed in your coffee?

You're the only one that mentioned XP in this entire thread until zlim said he (or she) doesn't use it. In fact, zlim said that they are using Windows 2000 before your first assumptive post.

To paraphrase you:
Maybe you shouldn't be responding to people until after you've read their post.
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Poor choice of words, I guess.
But unless you run a specific OS and have experience with it, you don't really have the expertise to advise others about it.

I try to NEVER give advise about something with which I have NO experience.
ie, running Windows 2000, a nine year old OS, doesn't give you a lot of insight into what's going on in XP, Vista, Win-7, etc.

Again, I apologize for a poor choice of words.
Sorry ZLim!

Doc Cool
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zlim



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:44 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I know it's 9 years old but it does work well. MS was supposed to drop support in July but they continue to offer monthly security patches, which I install. I suspect they are supporting 2K until win7 releases because they realize a lot of people were not thrilled with Vista and continued to cling to the old OSes.
With the state of the economy, I wonder how many businesses will continue to run 2K simply because the budget for new computers has been slashed?

Also just to let you know, we do have a computer running XP in the house. It is for my hubby who I will be weaning off his 2K computer when the security updates stop and since I'm the tech support here, I'm not completely clueless about XP. Very Happy
I'm not as familiar with XP as 2K because we're comparing a few months of use to 9 years of use. I'll get up to speed - give me a few more years. Of course by then we'll be at windows 14 or something!
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I've posted several XP tweaks on my website, as well as a list of possible Services to disable or put into manual mode.
I even have some Vista stuff there too. Take a look and email me if you have any questions. Most everything for Vista works for Windows 7 too, since they are both using the same core.

Doc Cool
http://www.drwho.in


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bern



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

drwho07 wrote:
I've posted several XP tweaks on my website, as well as a list of possible Services to disable or put into manual mode.
I even have some Vista stuff there too. Take a look and email me if you have any questions. Most everything for Vista works for Windows 7 too, since they are both using the same core.

Doc Cool
http://drwho.geek.im


Since you have (presumably) used the trial version of W7, I have a question:

I have two relatively new computers. A desktop running Vista 64 (with 8 gig RAM), and a laptop running Vista 32 (with 4gig ram). Should I replace either of the OS?

I am toying with the idea of replacing the laptop OS with W7-64.

(I also have 2 computers running XP which I am leaving alone.)
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Hmmmmm!
Since Windows 7 is not even formally released yet, and the test versions will all die in a few months, I'd not be replacing anything with Win-7 at this time.

However, if you have a spare HD laying around that you want to install one of the Win-7 test versions on, go ahead. That will let you get a good look at Win-7 without messing up any running OS's.

You'd get much better info on this topic if you subscribe to the Windows 7 Forum.

I've been testing Win-7 on a spare HD since it first came out earlier this year.
I see it as Vista, on steroids, minus some of the compatibility features that made Vista easier to live with..... like, the Classic View for menu's and folders.

In my own testing, I find that all my tweaks and tune-up tips for Vista also work for Windows 7. So far, there is no working email client in Win-7. So some other email client has to be installed if you're going to get email with Win-7.
I've tried Mozilla's "Thunderbird" and "WinMail" from Vista and both have worked fairly well.

My XP-Pro-SP3, being 32 bit, cannot take full advantage of my 6 gigs of DDR2 RAM.
However, Windows 7, 64 bit does and runs faster than XP on my PC with the 6 gigs of ram and the dual core 64 bit AMD CPU.

I don't find Win-7 user friendly at all and I really shudder, thinking of the day when new PC's are coming out of the stores with Win-7 pre-installed.
Vista was bad, but manageable, but I see lots of problems with old time computer users trying to deal with all the changes in Win-7. It won't be pretty. Crying or Very sad

Cheers Mates!
Doc
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

So, Bern,
Did you get your Services under control?

Just curious........

Doc Cool
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bern



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

drwho07 wrote:
So, Bern,
Did you get your Services under control?

Just curious........

Doc Cool


Yes. I used Services.msc to disable/set to manual quite a few services, as suggested by you and BlackViper. I am not sure I notice much difference, but then, this machine is so fast, (quadcore with 8 gigs RAM, Vista64 living in RAM) I am not sure my elderly brain is in a position to notice. Laughing

BTW, I do have a spare HD lying around, and may well try W7 on it...
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Someone will probably get a laugh out of this little story:

When I first found out about services, I went in and shut down 57 services.
XP still ran, but I couldn't get online. So I did a restore and tried again.
After many failed attempts to delete only the services that I really didn't need, I finally got my list down to about 11. That was the list that should be perfectly safe for anyone.
Sometimes you'll find that one service is dependent on another service. Delete one and you kill both.
When manually shutting down services, it's always a good idea to look at "Dependencies" to make sure that the one service you want to shut down won't effect some other service that you need. I've run into that a lot.

Many so-called experts claim that shutting down un-needed services won't seriously impact performance. But if you gain only one or two percent, that's still GAIN. Get enough of those slight gains and they begin to add up to a significant improvement in performance.

The biggest improvement I've ever gotten was with the registry tweak (discussed earlier) that puts the Kernel into ram on bootup. That really helps performance, IF you have enough ram.

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?
The Doctor Cool
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