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silmaril8n
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 Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: Sarah Who? |
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| So, thoughts on the VP choice Sarah Palin by McCain? I'm reading and listening to all the news I can. Right now I'm on the fence as to the overall impact on GOP ticket.
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Sarah Who? [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| silmaril8n wrote: |
| So, thoughts on the VP choice Sarah Palin by McCain? I'm reading and listening to all the news I can. Right now I'm on the fence as to the overall impact on GOP ticket. |
I would say that it negates the Obama isn't experienced enough to be president theme that is being pushed by the McCain camp. But the Democrats certainly can't push back with she isn't experienced enough since it negates their theme that Obama is ready to be president. She seems to be more of play to the base Republicans than the independents from what I've read and heard today i.e. evangelical leaders were happy with her being chosen. Everything else I've read is all over the map; bad choice, good choice, doesn't matter... One way or another the race certainly will be entertaining.
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louis-the-cat
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| nothing to worry about....no oil pipelines in Alaska......nor does it have a border with Russia.......a safe pair of hands |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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I don't think for a second that this negates the "no experience" factor. First, Palin isn't running for President, she's running for VP - there's a big difference there. Second, she has experience running a city and a state, well enough to have 80%+ approval ratings. And finally, the line in this forum was that having old man Biden on the ticket didn't change the McCain age or DC insider factors, so why should this change anything?
Personally, I think she's a great choice. She's not afraid to expose corruption when she sees it, even from her own party leaders. She's pushed for and gotten an ethics reform bill for her state. She's eliminated wasteful pork (even the "bridge to nowhere"). She was a member of a union, as her husband still is. Her father was a teacher. And she even vetoed a law that would have barred the state from granting benefits to the partners of gay state employees, despite any personal beliefs she may have had, because, as she said, "Signing this bill would be in direct violation of my oath of office."
And now we have minorities on both tickets. No matter what, this election will result in a first! |
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Sarah Who? [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Sarah Palin is a brilliant pick! She brings youth and energy and yes inexperience, this puts her one up on the DNC Pres. nominee at least she has actually done something! Pta then mayor and now governor! Good grief guys it's babies, guns and Jesus holy smoke truly a brilliant pick!
Oh yeah and did I mention she's clean and articulate. 
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mommabear
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Compare:
* Graduated magna cum laude from Harvard
* President of the Harvard Law Review
* Professor of constitutional law for 12 years
* Illinois State Senate for 8 years
* United States Senate for 4 years
to:
* Bachelor's degree in journalism for Univ. of Idaho
* Winner of Miss Wasilla beauty pageant
* Runner-up Miss Alaska
* 4 years on Wasilla City Council
* 6 years as Mayor of Wasilla
* 2 years as Governor of Alaska
Not that there's anything wrong with being a beauty queen.  |
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mommabear
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| She's eliminated wasteful pork (even the "bridge to nowhere"). |
Only because she was forced to. Actually, she supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.
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Did Palin Really Fight The “Bridge To Nowhere”?
Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):
5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.
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So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly—the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin—the bridge had become a national laughingstock, ...
Finally, on September 19, 2007, she decided to redirect funds away from the project altogether with this sorry-sounding statement:
"Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," said Governor Palin. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Governor Palin added. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."
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P.S. Here's a piece that Palin's special counsel, John Katz, wrote in March of this year for the Juneau Empire, assuring the Alaskan public that Palin was still very much in favor of earmarks, but sadly needed to scale back her requests somewhat (to "only" 31 earmarks this year—down from 54 last year) in response to "unwanted attention" from Congress and the press.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/did-palin-...lly-fig |
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mommabear
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Sarah Who? [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| But the Democrats certainly can't push back with she isn't experienced enough since it negates their theme that Obama is ready to be president. |
Of course they can. And they should. And they will. This is VP vs VP actually. Biden certainly has the edge in experience there. Then factor in McCain's age and history of cancer. Let's face it. If McCain becomes President, would you really feel comfortable with her being next in line? It is a legitimate argument to make. |
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Actually, she supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it. |
Doesn't this sound more like your last Pres. hopeful? (John Kerry)
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mommabear
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| pasquanel wrote: |
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| Actually, she supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it. |
Doesn't this sound more like your last Pres. hopeful? (John Kerry)
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Not anymore. McCain has surpassed him. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| mommabear wrote: |
Compare:
* Graduated magna cum laude from Harvard
* President of the Harvard Law Review
* Professor of constitutional law for 12 years
* Illinois State Senate for 8 years
* United States Senate for 4 years
to:
* Bachelor's degree in journalism for Univ. of Idaho
* Winner of Miss Wasilla beauty pageant
* Runner-up Miss Alaska
* 4 years on Wasilla City Council
* 6 years as Mayor of Wasilla
* 2 years as Governor of Alaska
Not that there's anything wrong with being a beauty queen. |
How does this relate to your statement that this is really a VP versus VP issue? And if you're going to list Obama's non-political experience, include Palin's as well.
Some corrections and additions:
* Palin holds a Bachelor of Science degree in journalism from the University of Idaho, where she also minored in political science.
* In 1996, she challenged and defeated incumbent mayor John Stein, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes.
* Palin followed through on her campaign promises to reduce her own salary, and to reduce property taxes by 40%.
* Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.
* She exposed the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.
* Head of the Alaska National Guard
* Her son is being deployed to Iraq
* Former union member, wife of a union member
Wow, she actually follows through on promises and exposes corruption. Obama does neither of those things.
And let's not forget, Obama's 3.5 years in the Senate include 2 years of not actually being there, so he really can only claim 1.5 years of Senate experience.
By the way, lets look at time, here: Obama has 12 years in politics, with no experience running anything except a campaign. Palin has 12 years in politics, 8 of them running things. Palin has more experience doing a Presidential job than Obama does. And more to the point, she's running for VP. For everyone that says she shouldn't be VP because of her "lack of experience" - you're making the case even more that Obama shouldn't be President! |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Says it all. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Is she ready to lead the free world if needed? If Obama isn't then, she REALLY isn't.
Alaska only has 600,000 people. Half the number of people in RI. I wouldn't want the governor of RI to be VP either. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Alaska has about 700,000 people. What size state was Obama did Obama run? Zero. She has more experience than Obama. If Palin isn't ready to be VP, then Obama really isn't ready to be President! |
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| United States Senate for 4 years |
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Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United States Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.
In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his stride. |
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The DNC should be ashamed of themselves how is this even a close race? For all of the reported hatred of the present administration this should be a runaway! Instead it's a dead heat even with a candidate of 72 yrs. and a VP candidate from Alaska!
It's clear to me no one believes in "CHANGE YOU CAN COUNT ON" and no one trust BHO because he has done nothing but be a
"community activist".
He sat in a church teaching Black Liberation Theology for twenty years (20 yrs.)!!
Not to mention his ties to Tony Resko and other questionables. |
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mommabear
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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McCain personally met with Palin ONCE before selecting her.
How many news reports did we hear about Obama and his staff meeting with contenders on his list? Do you really think McCain put "Country First" with his selection?
It doesn't matter if, in the end, her background and experience are suitable to be VP. It doesn't matter that she might, that she most probably, could be a decent VP or President, should events turn out that way. The contenders for both parties could fit that description.
But it does matter that his choice was obviously not made for the right reasons. He didn't even care enough to talk to her personally and privately before making his "judgment" call.
Afterthought: The McCain of 2000 (whom even I would not have ruled out voting for) has become a sad shadow of himself. |
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louis-the-cat
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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There's a lot of talk about McC only meeting Sarah Palin once ( or twice)..and about her not being fully vetted ( or even checked out on google).........rubbish
her name was in the hat in July......
http://ewanwatt.blogspot.com/2008/07/mccains-vp-candidate.html |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Her name may have been in the hat but from what I've read it is true that they've only met a couple of times. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Just read Mommabear's post.
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| "John McCain first met Governor Sarah Palin at the National Governors Association meeting in Washington in February of 2008 and came away extraordinarily impressed. John McCain followed her career and admired her tenacity and her many accomplishments. She was scheduled for a high profile speaking role at our convention and included in the VP selection process because of his admiration for her strong reform credentials. Last Sunday, Governor Palin and John McCain had a conversation over the phone. Governor Palin was at the Alaska State Fair, and John McCain was at his home at Phoenix. Previously, Rick Davis, John McCain’s campaign manager, had also been in regular contact with the Governor as part of the on-going selection process. This past week, Governor Palin arrived with Kris Perry in Flagstaff, Arizona, on Wednesday evening. Upon arrival, Governor Palin and her longtime aide Kris Perry met with Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter of the McCain campaign at Mr. Bob Delgado’s home in Flagstaff. Mr. Delgado is the CEO of the Hensley corporation, which is Mrs. Cindy McCain’s family business. On Thursday morning, Governor Palin and staff were joined by Mrs. Cindy McCain and later joined by John McCain at the McCain family home in Sedona, Arizona. At approximately 11:00 a.m. Thursday August 28, 2008, John McCain formally invited Governor Sarah Palin to join the Republican ticket as the vice presidential nominee on the deck of the McCain family home." |
Mommabear and Sgt. Schultz, you're making it sound like this was a spur of the moment decision without any thought or meetings. McCain met with her, they've talked on the phone, he's closely followed her career, McCain's team has been in regular contact with her.
Nice try on the smear, though. |
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mommabear
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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If he wanted a woman who could also bring real experience and judgment to the ticket, he'd have chosen Rice or Hutchinson, or someone like that.
The fact is, xavierx, she was never a serious contender until the DNC convention ended. McCain, the candidate, knows he's losing. Appealing to the evangelical base (which is what the Republicans always do in a crunch) is his only hope. This move is so transparent. I'm surprised even you can't see that.
He has failed with this choice for the person who will be one heartbeat away from the Presidency. He should have picked Romney or Pawlenty if he really cared about us. |
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