[SOLVED] computer switching help needed.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

at this point i forgot most of the stuff to do for switching computers. because my mind hurts from trying to fix the lenovo.

so how about some reminders to these questions please.

1. can i replace the mb with a new one and still keep the same hd as the main c drive.

2. if not why not.

3. if i buy a new computer system all loaded and ready to run. can i put this old sata hd in the new unit as a slave drive and copy the info from it.

4. if not why not.

5. is it possible to add this old c drive in the new system while the system is hot, and not have to change the old drive to a slave, thus making it show the files that way so i can copy them then remove this old
drive again, and set it up for a slave in the new system.?

6. will this old hd with winxp pro on it see any motherboard if i connect it to an old one that uses ata drives. and boot so can then copy the data to a flash drive. or allow the drivers for the other mb to load on this old ata drive and not loose any of the data?

I seem to remember doing stuff like the above with the old eide drives and systems like taking the drive and just swapping the gray cables while hot. and doing it that way. is something like that even possible with ata drives.

Confused

goretsky · Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject:

Hello,

In response to your questions:

Yes, if the motherboards are identical or almost identical (same chipset and other on-board hardware like NICs, sound card, etc.).
Because Microsoft Windows loads the specific device drivers needed to start the computer at boot time. If those drivers are not installed, the operating system will fail during its boot cycle.
Yes, you should be able to easily do this, assuming the new computer has the correct hard disk drive interface (or you install one) and its operating system is capable of reading it and that no information is encrypted with BitLocker or EFS. You may have to change the permissions on some of the directories in order for the new computer to read them. This can be done with the XCACLS or TAKEOWN commands under Windows.
See above for issues and workarounds.
You may be able to do this by mounting the old hard disk drive in an external enclosure and connecting it to the new computer using a USB, FireWire (IEEE-1394) or eSATA interface. If you are planning on making the hard disk drive a slave, though, why not just hook it up interally to begin with?
Yes, if the old hard disk drive with Microsoft Windows XP is connected to a motherboard with the same chipset (and, if separate from the chipset, the drive controllers as well) as were on the original motherboard.

You may also want to see the reply to your message in the other thread; it may be possible to get the motherboard fixed for free.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

Baby_Tux · Joined: Mar 06, 2007 Posts: 1242

Please be aware that M$ uses an "IDing" system (I can't recall what it is called) that must be dealt with in certain cases when putting a HD (that you intend to boot from) into another computer .

I am having problems with brain fog again (medical condition), so please forgive me for not remembering the details - can someone else help me out here? - Or if I can remember, I'll post it.

I THINK a repair install will take care of it, though... (& since you have to deal with the drivers anyway, I think this will take care of that. too)

NOTE: IIRC, this ONLY applies it you try to boot off that SAME SAID DRIVE! - if you transfer the data from one to another, it should be OK.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

i said in the other post i had such a headache from that lenovo i had forgot that i'm typing on this computer where i had already switched the motherboard and kept the hd and data. so i feel dumb now i had evidice of doing it right smack in front of me. Surprised

and forgot how.!! Rolling Eyes

Baby_Tux · Joined: Mar 06, 2007 Posts: 1242

Yeah, forgetfulness (brain fog or wharever) can be so cruel!!! Crying or Very sad

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

yep except now i got the new motherboard and cpu in all the stuff hooked up and it did not even boot would not even send power to the system.

found the plug on the front panel was having the button set up for a reset only button. pulled the wires from those slots and put them on the power button. now it starts up i can get in to the bios got the system set up with the sata stuff.

but ever time i try to start it. the dadblame thing keeps giving me the blue screen error of a fate.. error has happen.. windows is stopped / exited, to protect your computer/ system. check for virus or improper hd configuration., and restart computer.

how the h.. can i check for virus's when i can't even get it in to safe mode.
how to you check the hd configuration on the sata drives.?

the new mb book says to install the op system first then place the cdrom for the drivers in to the unit and load from in windows.

i have the cd in the dvdrw /cdrw unit but i can't get in to windows to load the drivers. i don't think that is the trouble as the mb is xp and vista and win 7 supported so it is to just load right up.

does anyone have any idea as to what is causing the the blue screen stopping the load of windows error message?

at least i got this far with the new hardware before the other mb would not even get past the power up logon screen for the bios if it even got to it.

so the old mb either got hit by a power spike or over heated the video chip and those caps. or was hit by some sort of virus that messes with the mother board and hd.
thats the only thing i can think of Sad

zzron357 · Joined: Oct 14, 2004 Posts: 65

Hi Keith, Not enough data to diagnose bsod. Can you get into setup and check
to see if settings there look ok? Do you have a way to get a linux live cd?
I like Puppy as it is small and easy to work with. www.puppylinux.org/
Download .ISO and "burn image" to cd. Boot and run. If MB is ok, it will run
and give you a chance to look into hard drive and verify other hardware.
From Puppy, run Gparted (partition editor) and you can see how the hard
drive is partitioned, and see if there are hidden partitions, etc.
I assume bios battery is new. Well above 3.0 volts.
Best wishes, zzron

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

yes i can get in to the bios i have been trying to adjust it to get it working even the safe default settings don't get past this error alert. bsd.

not anymore info on that bsd just scan for virus check the hd config and reboot.

eric_s · Joined: Jul 16, 2003 Posts: 43 Location: Western Canada

First question – how different is this Mbd./CPU from the last one? One generation, two or more?
Second question – what was the old chip set?
Third question – what is the new chip set?
You may have to do a “repair install” and then reapply patching, after installing the new Mbd. DRIVERS.

system001 · Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:21 am Post subject:

can you get into safe-mode? if so go into device manager and delete all the hardware and their drivers that you are allowed to delete. make sure you backup what you do not want to loose off of the drive first. after you have deleted the hardware and drives try a normal boot. you might have to go into startup repair on your boot media first. now this will take some time because xp will have to install the new hardware and drivers.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

can't get past this blue screen
what do you mean repair startup?

i've begun to think i might beable to stick the xp disk in and replace the windows folders. but not sure as it is not the same xp disk as the unit was set up with. i can't seem to find the back up dvd anyplace around here. can't get stuff of hd cause i can't get in past the bsd.

new mb. last one 5 years old maybe 4? used intel this one uses amd.
have driver cdrom for mb in tray but can't get it to start from the tray so it appears not to be a boot cdrom.

just what changed since the last time i did this with edie systems?

this i thought would be the same way just a different format for the ata systems?

i'm wondering if i can use an ultimate boot cdrom and boot to with cdrom support and then run the setup from the mb cdrom and install the drivers that way?
Shocked

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

update

okay i know its been some time but i'm blind as a bat well really it was not my fault if they would make these things for easy use and have large numbers on the mother board well mistakes would not happen.

but i just got the hd cable on to the other controller instead of the same one the dvd was in. not sure how i had both ide and sata on the same controller but i moved the sata to another one of the five slots on the mb and now the computer finds the hd on start up.

so i've been able to get in to safe mode not sure how i had to keep rebooting the thing and changing stuff in the bios to saft default bios settings. but i was able to get in to safe mode the files and stuff are still on the hd.
i was able to load the drivers for some things in safe mode. but when i try to install the mb drivers from the cdrom i keep getting errors of device an not be opened, and the app for install from the cdrom just keeps saying loading but it does not ever load anything just sits there saying loading and tossing up error alerts for device cant be opened. if i click on the okay button on the alert the app stops loading for a second or two then tosses another alert and keeps on saying loading please wait.

so i tried to load the drivers by exploring the cdrom and going in to the drivers folder. but there is not any one set up for the mb drivers it seems they have to be loaded by the gigabite install application.

the other things i got loaded were sound and graphics and app drivers like those. and they need rebooted afterwards which then sends me back in to the boxing ring with the computer not wanting to boot. it gets to the varifying data. and locks or i get it to load and let me pick safe mode in an hour or two of trying.

so i can get in to safe mode how do i get these drivers loaded from in safe mode will that install app install even though the alert said it cant open the device, could i just get in safe mode then use the windows install cd to over write the windows folder and get windows xp to install the mb drivers from its cdrom?

this one is really being a pain in the a.... and it also has posted that sata is working in ide mode or do i want it to work in native ide mode, whats up with that?

any way after the reboot from the safe mode it acts like it will load xp normaly. but then it gives that dadblasted bsd saying windows has been stopped because of an critcial error and or that the hd cant be found. to restart and press f8 to get in to safe mode.

what the... is wrong with the dadgum thing. is the hard drive toasted in the full log on and only useable in safe mode? can that happen?

Confused

micker377 · Joined: May 27, 2005 Posts: 1059

I wonder if you are running into the same problem I had a while back with an ECS mobo. It also had SATA and IDE ports. The problem I found, was that the IDE ports were for RAID only! The mobo would only boot from the SATA ports! It could read the IDE ports (for RAID and CD/DVDs only).

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

yes that is what it is doing but it only reads the dvdrw cdrw on the ide controller because thats all there is on that.

the sata controllers you know are down in the coner. mine are orange in color.
thats where i have the sata drive connected

but what i don't get is why would it have the sata drive listed as running on native ide? or even try to do that? makes no sense to me. it can't be the software because the other mother board did the same thing. this has always been a sata and ide drive system so the drivers in windows should notice that.
but what makes it work in safemode and not in normal mode?

i just don't know what would do that except a driver. but i can't load the drivers in safe mode because there is no way to know what drivers to install since there is only one setup for all the versions of drivers for windows such as xp vista and win 7 it is to automaticlly sense the version and load the needed drivers, with that loading app.

i did find out that the config for the hard drives on sata systems is done by placement of the hd in the mb controllers not with a jumper on the hd.

but that has been fixed now and it should allow me to load the drivers in the safemode under the admin account but i keep getting them cant open file alerts when it is trying to load the drivers.

just strange is all it is, strange. Sad

micker377 · Joined: May 27, 2005 Posts: 1059

I had a Dell one time, that I had to go into the BIOS set up, and choose the Boot drive, and the first drive that I wanted to boot from! Have you tried selecting "none" for all IDE drives, and trying to boot with only the SATA port selected in the BIOS setup?

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

it only allows me to boot from hd.
cdrom
floppy.
usb
usb fdd
usb hd
usb cdrom

those are the choices in the bois for boot options 1 2 and 3.

i have it on hd.
then cdrom
then usb

there is no floppy in this unit.

but i'm thinking if i use the my passport drive i have and put all the stuff
on it except the windows folder and the lenovo folder then i'll be able to use my files on another computer,

which will then let me try an over install from the windows cdrom of the windows folder. in safe mode. and if it formats and reinstalls then i wont lose the files or programs. except the lenovo folder.
but since the only thing left in the tower from lenovo is the harddrive the the dvd rw drive
then losing that software won't hurt will it?

the unit was bought with xp installed from lenovo i updated it with the xp pro upgrade cdrom so would i need to have the lenovo copy of xp in the system to do any more overwrites or installs of xp pro?

just not sure if i could get xp back on the hd if i lost it.
Shocked

micker377 · Joined: May 27, 2005 Posts: 1059

"it only allows me to boot from hd.
cdrom
floppy."

There's no setting for WHICH H.D. to select as the boot H.D.? (e.g. "First Boot Drive")

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

time for a recap.

1. computer mb blows a few caps cant load windows past bios logon screen.
2. changed mb with new gigabyte board with a new amd cpu.
3. can't get computer to boot past windows logon screen it gives the bsd when it should open windows.
4. cant get cdrom from gigabyte to load mb drivers.
5. got in to safemode by loading the fail safe bio's settings and pressing F8.
6. loading the mb drivers did not work, got them loaded by explorering the cdrom for setup exe's but not the ones for the chipset.
7. got message saying do i want to run app in admin mode when i'm in admin mode? so i unchecked box to protect files from being curupted in the allert message and clicked okay.
got message saying all drivers installed properly.
8. so the chipset drivers seem to be in windows by default or it loaded them fast when i clicked the okay button.
9. still can't get in normal windows mode still get bsd saying virus or out of configur'ed hard drive.
10. still have to go back in to bios and reset the load fail safe settings each time i want to get in to safemode. but i can get in to safe mode.
11. the windows xp setup disk is too old a version to allow over installing of windows. but it will run in safe mode. just about every thing runs in safe mode, it works like any of these other computers in safemode that did not have a bad MB.
12. can not get it to install from xp set up disk when i boot from cd.
i get bsd telling me the cd can not find a hard drive.

13. when i try and boot in to normal mode i sometimes get a message
asking me to run sata in ahci or achi mode or ide mode with a choice of yes or no. and about 10 seconds to pick on if i let it go it goes in to native ide mode?

so now what ?

i checked the partitions in the diskmanagement and it shows the information is there as it always has been., there is a smaller partition on the hd with eisde or something like that as the name its only 4 gb's or so big.
i thought it might be the backup from the factory but i also thought i deleted it.?

so what is going on here what did i miss

i have all the files i want on the computer backed up on a passport drive.
well all the files are there except the windows folder and the lenovo folder.
i was trying to over write windows so any messed up settings would be corrected. but i can't overwrite or over install or even do a fresh install?

could i copy the windows folder from this computer and paste it in to the other one while in safemode? or will that mess up something too.? Confused

this sata stuff is for the birds well not really its just getting it set up is a pain. Mad

every thing i did would have worked and did work on this computer i am using right now when i switched its mb out. Surprised

can anyone see what is missing so they can tell me what i need to do that i did not do?

goretsky · Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:45 am Post subject:

Hello,

Unless the motherboard you replaced the original one with was identical or nearly identical to the previously installed one, you will not be able to easily boot from the operating system on the existing hard disk drive because it does not have the correct device driver software and configuration to use the hardware on the new motherboard.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

found site url for the gigabyte site and support from them.

so i sent them the situation, just as i have been saying in this thread.

they sent back an reply that sounds like what some one above had been saying. only i did not get it to click until they said it this way in their reply.

but i have not tried it yet. why? because i just got the reply. and have this new question. will it work even when the cdrom can not detect the hard drive?

now for the gigabyte reply.