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Bearly1227



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Questions: SATA/IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter Limitations?

Hello all concerned,

I have a Vantec SATA/IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter, which I have successfully used to inspect and modify other HDD's (2.5" with WIn XP and Win 2000 sw), and 3.5" HDD's with Win XP Home.

However, I have a problem getting my OLDER 3.5" HDD's with Win 95 being recognized. For example, I have an Caviar 2850 drive (yep, 850 MB).

My host system is Win XP Home. But the drive is just not recognized EXCEPT in Control Panel > System > Hard Disk as a USB Device, but it doesn't show up using Windows Explorer in the device listing (directory), where I would expect it to be shown up in.

I do have the jumper for SINGLE drive installed; it does work (boots up) in an old system box.

The drive MAY have been formatted, then using the EZ-Bios setup before having Win 95 installed to it.

I wonder if that can be a problem? I sort of kinda thought that the IDE to USB adapter would recognize the drive by it's basic characteristics and at least show up as a drive!!

Thoughts? Opinions?

Thanks,

Bob
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject:

I suspect that you'll need a standard IDE format, for things to work the way you want.
that MickeyMouse format is only recognized when the drive boots up a system.
There is code in the boot sector to make the drive readable.
It's not recognized in a passive manner of access. (as a slave, for instance)

Does that make any sense? After eight beers, I'm not sure either. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Good Luck,
the old Doctor ( Hic! )
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goretsky



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:47 am    Post subject:

Hello,

If the hard disk has alternate modes for jumpering as master, you might want to try using those.

If none of them work, then it could be that your Vantec SATA/ IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter supports UDMA access mode only, and the Western Digital Caviar 2850 only uses PIO or DMA modes which are not recognized by the Vantec adapter.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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pcrattail



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject:

Every one of the 2 different "converters",
I have all state...... "the drive to be inserted, must be set on "master". Please consult the hard drive manufacturer for proper procedures".

I would wager a guess that this would be your case also.

I was also reminded that XP will also sometimes "goof up" when dealing with "drive letters". You may have to "force" XP to assign the drive a letter.
(Control Panel / Performance and Maintenance / Administrative Tools / Computer Management (once there go down to ...... Storage / Disk Managment) it should be listed there (now you can assign a drive letter)).
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject:

Guys! Guys! Guys!

Read the man's post!

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The drive MAY have been formatted, then using the EZ-Bios setup before having Win 95 installed to it.


Those drives set up that way were NEVER readable unless they boot the system and load the special code from the boot sector.
That's why I would never, on my worst day, set up any drive with those weird formats.

Back in the day, tons of valuable data were lost when something corrupted the boot sector on those drives.
A simple format of DOS or Windows XX will read in those External Enclosures or adapters with NO problem, if all the hardware is working properly.

Y'all have a great day!
The Doctor Cool
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TeeDee



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject:

It might be worth trying 'Administrative tools/Computer Management/Disk Management' to see if it shows as a 'foreign' disk - if if does, then you may be able to import it to the system.
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Bearly1227



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Questions: SATA/IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter Limitations? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Many thanks to all !

Hi, just to add a little closure to my problem (HDD Testing). I finally got a little suspicious when testing the HDD out of my Maxtor 3200 "One touch" USB External drive 320 Gbyte.

Sometimes the drive would show up and sometimes not . .mostly not!

Lo & Behold, using a DVM on the power leads of the Vantec adapter, the +5vDC was present, but the +12 vDC (needed for the HDD drive motor) was (is) flaky, depending on how the power cable is twisted a "little" bit!

As an aside my Maxtor 3100 refused to be recognized as backup device (another warning about single source backup devices). So, I removed it from it;s case & power supply, reveling a Maxtor 6L320R0 HDD

Well, at least I have a candidate for another internal drive, but it's only 320 Gbyte! <smile when think of my FIRST HDD that was 40 Mbyte and cost $400)

Bob



[quote="Bearly1227"]Hello all concerned,

I have a Vantec SATA/IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter, which I have successfully used to inspect and modify other HDD's (2.5" with WIn XP and Win 2000 sw), and 3.5" HDD's with Win XP Home.
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Drives and Volts [Login to view extended thread Info.]

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I smile when think of my FIRST HDD that was 40 Mbyte and cost $400)


My second HD was a Seagate ST4038, a 30 meg drive, listing in the Computer Shopper for $799.

Just for informational purposes.....2.5" drives don't use +12vdc.
They run solely on +5vdc.
Only the 3.5" drives require +12vdc to spin up the drive motor.

Most IDE to USB adapters that will take both size drives, also come with a nice little 12vdc supply to drive the 3.5" drives. The +5vdc comes thru the USB cable itself.
Some notebook computers, for instance, can't supply enough power to run external drives, so a Powered USB Hub needs to be used in that case.

So much for today's trivia.....

Doc Rolling Eyes
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