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xavierx

Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 5427
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: It's His Rubble Now |
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704224004574489530713762884.html
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President Obama, in office a month longer than Bush was when 9/11 hit, now owns his presidency. Does he know it? He too stands on rubble, figuratively speaking—a collapsed economy, high and growing unemployment, two wars. Everyone knows what he's standing on. You can almost see the smoke rising around him. He's got a bullhorn in his hand every day.
It's his now. He gets the credit and the blame. How do we know this? The American people are telling him. You can see it in the polls. That's what his falling poll numbers are about. "It's been almost a year, you own this. Fix it."
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The president doesn't seem to like this moment. Who would? He and his men and women have returned to referring to what they "inherited." And what they inherited was, truly, terrible: again, a severe economic crisis and two wars. But their recent return to this theme is unbecoming. Worse, it is politically unpersuasive. It sounds defensive, like a dodge.
The president said last week, at a San Francisco fund-raiser, that he's busy with a "mop," "cleaning up somebody else's mess," and he doesn't enjoy "somebody sitting back and saying, 'You're not holding the mop the right way.'" Later, in New Orleans, he groused that reporters are always asking "Why haven't you solved world hunger yet?" His surrogates and aides, in appearances and talk shows, have taken to remembering, sometimes at great length, the dire straits we were in when the presidency began.
This is not a sign of confidence. Nor were the president's comments to a New York fund-raiser this week. Democrats, he said to the Democratic audience, are "an opinionated bunch." They always have a lot of thoughts and views. Republicans, on the other hand—"the other side"—aren't really big on independent thinking. "They just kinda sometimes do what they're told. Democrats, y'all thinkin' for yourselves." It is never a good sign when the president gets folksy, dropping his g's, because he is by nature not a folksy g-dropper but a coolly calibrating intellectual who is always trying to guess, as most politicians do, what normal people think. When Mr. Obama gets folksy he isn't narrowing his distance from his audience but underlining it. He shouldn't do this.
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An interesting article, and the last paragraph above says it all to me. Obama, despite his rhetoric, really seems to have no confidence in his abilities. That's why he's always blaming someone else, even to the point now of blaming Fox News. |
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kenmabmcc

Joined: Nov 20, 2003 Posts: 8179
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: It's His Rubble Now [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| That's why he's always blaming someone else, even to the point now of blaming Fox News. |
Fox News gets okay to misinform public
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The court did not dispute the heart of Akre's claim, that Fox pressured her to broadcast a false story to protect the broadcaster from having to defend the truth in court, as well as suffer the ire of irate advertisers. Fox argued from the first, and failed on three separate occasions, in front of three different judges, to have the case tossed out on the grounds there is no hard, fast, and written rule against deliberate distortion of the news.
The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves.
In its six-page written decision, the Court of Appeals held that the Federal Communications Commission position against news distortion is only a "policy," not a promulgated law, rule, or regulation. |
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xavierx

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Wow, Ken. I'm impressed. You can spam the board with the latest liberal talking points.
Now, would you care to address the issue at hand, Obama's total lack of confidence? |
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pasquanel

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:06 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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It's "Fair and Balanced" Ken, every other media outlet is biased for Obama!
I would think one "Fair and Balanced" news agency shouldn't be a problem.  |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| pasquanel wrote: |
It's "Fair and Balanced" Ken, every other media outlet is biased for Obama!
I would think one "Fair and Balanced" news agency shouldn't be a problem.  |
I quite agree.
Anyone would rather watch a "Fair and Balanced" news channel,
that insists on it's First Amendment right,
to lie or deliberately distort news reports.
Besides it's a lot more fun than the truth.
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xavierx

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| So, I take it Ken that you're defense of Obama's lack of confidence is ... nothing? Thanks! |
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Gezzer

Joined: Oct 19, 2008 Posts: 666
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Murdoch
has a place in the UK its called 'fort wapping' from which he runs his media empire for the UK
it has 3 sets of 10' fences, twin electric gates with two sets of security zones
and that's before you can even enter the place
Murdoch
and his media empire is very well loved over here … not …
so Murdoch and Fox news don't like President Obama
hold the front page
i have confidence that President Obama is confident and that shines through if Murdoch and his elk/empire wish too take President Obama on or vice versa …
i didn't think some could even regard anything attached to Murdoch or his news agency empire as news worthy …
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xavierx

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:46 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Again, I'd love it if we'd have a thread that actually discussed the issue.
For the record, though, it's Obama who has declared war on Fox, not the other way around. And as the article posited, it's because he has no confidence in his own abilities apparently. |
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Gezzer

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
Again, I'd love it if we'd have a thread that actually discussed the issue.
For the record, though, it's Obama who has declared war on Fox, not the other way around. And as the article posited, it's because he has no confidence in his own abilities apparently. |
why
all you throw out are insults … |
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micker377

Joined: May 27, 2005 Posts: 993
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
Again, I'd love it if we'd have a thread that actually discussed the issue.
For the record, though, it's Obama who has declared war on Fox, not the other way around. And as the article posited, it's because he has no confidence in his own abilities apparently. |
Like the bully in the school yard: "He started it when he hit me back"!
Obama is merely answering back to all the lies that Faux has told about him! |
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xavierx

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Gezzer wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
Again, I'd love it if we'd have a thread that actually discussed the issue.
For the record, though, it's Obama who has declared war on Fox, not the other way around. And as the article posited, it's because he has no confidence in his own abilities apparently. |
why
all you throw out are insults … |
Only when you flame bait or otherwise start, Gezzer. That's why for the most part you're ignored now. |
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xavierx

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| micker377 wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
Again, I'd love it if we'd have a thread that actually discussed the issue.
For the record, though, it's Obama who has declared war on Fox, not the other way around. And as the article posited, it's because he has no confidence in his own abilities apparently. |
Like the bully in the school yard: "He started it when he hit me back"!
Obama is merely answering back to all the lies that Faux has told about him! |
First: show us "all the lies that Faux has told about him"
Second: Not the point. Read the article - Obama attacks everyone who dares disagree with him, and constantly blames everyone else for his problems.
When was the last time Obama took the blame for anything? Can anyone come up with any at all? |
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Gezzer

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:00 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| Gezzer wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
Again, I'd love it if we'd have a thread that actually discussed the issue.
For the record, though, it's Obama who has declared war on Fox, not the other way around. And as the article posited, it's because he has no confidence in his own abilities apparently. |
why
all you throw out are insults … |
Only when you flame bait or otherwise start, Gezzer. That's why for the most part you're ignored now. |
ditto … |
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CowpokeBob

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:18 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
Again, I'd love it if we'd have a thread that actually discussed the issue.
For the record, though, it's Obama who has declared war on Fox, not the other way around. And as the article posited, it's because he has no confidence in his own abilities apparently. |
Simple solution. Don't bother to reply to it when it obviously isn't worth a reply. I watch FOX news, listen to Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh and many others and I don't have a problem admitting that. Yes they have a bias but their stories check out as true so there you go. If you must attack them attack the message not the messenger if yo uwant to be taken seriously. I don't watch outlets like CNN anymore simpky because I consider their programming to have become too biased in favor of the administration of late. Perhaps they are just currying favor but either way I don't care for it. I don't care what a few wing nuts who probably don't watch FOX or listen to Glenn or Rush have to say. I do care when this board is hijacked by a continuous stream of back and forth meaningless barbs like those above. If necessary I will simply start replying to people in in PM's and the wing nuts can keep on with the baseless comments alone.
For the record. I have no problem with Obama saying he inherited his mess from Bush. I disagree with him in some cases but that is beside the point.
I also agree that enough time has passed and it's now Obama's mess to clean up. You run for the job because you think you can do it better. Not because you want to point out what a poor job your predecessor did. Now that he has the job it's time to quit whining and step up to the plate as they say. Okay so he inherited a mess. Big deal. The question is what is Obama going to do about it. And from what I have see form this administration so far the answer is ... not much. |
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