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kenmabmcc
Joined: Nov 20, 2003
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Location: Dunedin, New Zealand.
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 Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: Republicans suppressing the vote in Florida... |
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| These republicans do not like anything that gives a equal democratic vote for all...
Florida has been synonymous with badly run and undemocratic elections.
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| The Florida Legislature is at it again, threatening to pass new rules that would make it harder for eligible voters, especially those from minorities and those who are poor, to register and vote. |
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donrc
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| Ken, my friend, I'm curious. I, for one, am always glad to have someone from another country take an interest in ours. It gives us a view of how we are seen by others. But, do you have some connection to the US or do you just read the New York Times for entertainment?
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CowpokeBob
Joined: Feb 07, 2006
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Location: South Carolina, USA
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Republicans suppressing the vote in Florida... [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
These republicans do not like anything that gives a equal democratic vote for all...
Florida has been synonymous with badly run and undemocratic elections.
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| The Florida Legislature is at it again, threatening to pass new rules that would make it harder for eligible voters, especially those from minorities and those who are poor, to register and vote. |
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Considering the fact that you all to often don't want to hear or read anything that interferes with your sense of "reality" I'll try and shed some light in this topic for you. Hard as that may be. That makes it far to easy to try and influence the vote. A reason why campaign signs must be a like distance from any polling station.
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| Republican state legislators, who are behind the latest bills, want to make it illegal for anyone to get within 100 feet of a line of voters. That provision would criminalize election protection programs, in which nonpartisan volunteers make themselves available outside of polling places on Election Day to ensure that eligible voters know their legal rights and are able to cast ballots. |
The time to educate yourself on the issues and your legal rights is not while you are standing in line to vote. Maybe that is how they do it where you hail from but not here. There is nothing in this bill that prohibits educating voters on thier rights or the issues. Just that they can't do it while the voter is waiting to vote.
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| The legislation would also impose onerous and unnecessary rules on voter registration drives, including a requirement that registration forms must be turned in within 48 hours. Grass-roots voter registration drives play an important role in getting poor and minority voters registered. If this legislation passes, however, many groups may stop registering voters rather than risk jail sentences or fines. |
Funny but the article didn't mention fines or jail sentences, it only mentions that the registration forms must be turned in within 48 hrs. I am guessing that they would be ruled invalid if they weren't. What is wrong with that? It just means there would be no more cases of massive registration forms being turned in just before an election when there would be no time to properly screen them. Your not condoning that sort of thing are you Ken?
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| The elderly, a sizable voting bloc in Florida, would also be hard hit. They would no longer be able to use photo IDs issued by retirement centers or neighborhood associations at the polls. That would be a serious hardship for the many elderly people who do not have driver’s licenses. |
So in other words my grandma wouldn't be able to go to Wal*Mart and get her photo ID in order to vote. Tragic. The artical fails to mention that Florida can provide a State ID to folks even if the only thing they drive is a walker. The elderly can easily get and use this as valid identification. The large illegal alien population might have a problem with that though. But that couldn't possibly be the real reason behind the opposition to this portion of the bill.
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| Another provision would require election officials to purge voting rolls more frequently, a sore point in Florida, where an improper purge of the rolls before the 2000 election removed many eligible voters. |
I will agree that if you are going to do this you need to do it in a professional manner. However I heard quite a few of the specific cases that were purged in 2000 and while they did remove eligible voters they did so because the voters submitted incorrect information on thier registrations. I will say it again. It is the reponsibility of the voter to ensure his or her registration is valid, they know where to go to vote, they are informed of the candidates/issues so they don't stand there at the booth for an hour trying to figure out what they are voting for and so forth.
There is absolutely nothing in this bill that is wrong, impedes anyones right to vote, or that could not withstand a legal challenge. Something I am sure we will find out if it passes. I hope this has cleard up the issue for you Ken but if not let me know. |
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bern
Joined: Mar 12, 2007
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Location: ann arbor
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Republicans suppressing the vote in Florida... [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
These republicans do not like anything that gives a equal democratic vote for all...
Florida has been synonymous with badly run and undemocratic elections.
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| The Florida Legislature is at it again, threatening to pass new rules that would make it harder for eligible voters, especially those from minorities and those who are poor, to register and vote. |
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Welcome back, Ken. You always provide a smile for me on an otherwise dreary day.
Cowpoke Bob correctly summed up the situation.
Historically, the Democrats have always worried about the votes of the poor and uneducated. They would much rather 100 unqualified voters voted, perhaps even more than once, than that one person who was qualified might not vote.
BTW, most jurisdictions allow for a disputed ballot to be held until the situation about eligibility is adjudicated. |
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