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kenmabmcc
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 Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: Republican brand, a loser ? |
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Republican Election Losses Stir Fall Fears
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The victory by Travis Childers, a conservative Democrat elected in a once-steadfast Republican district on Tuesday, was the third defeat of a Republican in a special Congressional race this year. In addition to foreshadowing more losses for the party in November, the outcome appeared to call into question the belief that Senator Barack Obama of Illinois could be a heavy liability for his party’s down-ticket candidates in conservative regions.
Republicans had sought to link Mr. Childers to Mr. Obama in an advertising campaign there. |
Too much negative advertising ?
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| “When you lose three of these in a row you have to get beyond campaign tactics and take a hard look and ask if there is something wrong with your product,” he said. |
Iraq war ? |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| First, nice flame bait title.
Now to the substance:
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| “This was a real wake-up call for us,” Robert M. Duncan, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, said in an interview. “We can’t let the Democrats take our issues. We can’t let them pretend to be conservatives and co-opt the middle and win these elections. We have to get the attention of our incumbents and candidates and make sure they understand this.” |
This is the real problem. The Democrat in this case ran on a pro-life, pro-gun, tax-cutting platform. In other words, he ran as a Republican. The only thing wrong with the "Republican brand" is that so many Republicans (including Bush) aren't acting like Republicans. |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| This is the real problem. The Democrat in this case ran on a pro-life, pro-gun, tax-cutting platform. In other words, he ran as a Republican. The only thing wrong with the "Republican brand" is that so many Republicans (including Bush) aren't acting like Republicans. |
Believe it or not there are Democrats who believe in those things. There are also Republicans who are pro-choice, advocate some form of gun control, et cetera. Not all people who belong to either party always fit into the cookie cutter mold. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| First, nice flame bait title. |
I did not say that Republicans are losers,
but I have no doubt that the US headlines will say that after the next set of elections. 
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| This is the real problem. The Democrat in this case ran on a pro-life, pro-gun, tax-cutting platform. In other words, he ran as a Republican. The only thing wrong with the "Republican brand" is that so many Republicans (including Bush) aren't acting like Republicans. |
This what you get in an effective two party state that is funded, primarily, by the same type of people.
You get the tweedledee party full of tweedledee's and tweedledum's, and
you get the tweedledum party full of tweedledum's and tweedledee's.
And if you are not a tweedledee or a tweedledum you have no effective vote for anyone else,
nor do you have any effective political clout.
I do admit it is one party up on China.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| In the election you're talking about, the Democrat ran on the Republican platform. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he really believes as he does. What that says is that in our two party (for the most part) system, we have two parties full of people who believe differently. I don't see how that could be seen as a bad thing. |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| In the election you're talking about, the Democrat ran on the Republican platform. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he really believes as he does. What that says is that in our two party (for the most part) system, we have two parties full of people who believe differently. I don't see how that could be seen as a bad thing. |
It is a good thing but it also highlights the fallacy that only Republicans can be anti-abortion, pro-gun, et cetera. The opposite is also true. No one party can claim sole possession of a platform or an idea. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Sgt Schultz wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
| In the election you're talking about, the Democrat ran on the Republican platform. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he really believes as he does. What that says is that in our two party (for the most part) system, we have two parties full of people who believe differently. I don't see how that could be seen as a bad thing. |
It is a good thing but it also highlights the fallacy that only Republicans can be anti-abortion, pro-gun, et cetera. The opposite is also true. No one party can claim sole possession of a platform or an idea. |
You're absolutely right. And it also highlights the fallacy of the premise of this entire thread - that just because a Republican lost, the "Republican brand" is "a loser". |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| You're absolutely right. And it also highlights the fallacy of the premise of this entire thread - that just because a Republican lost, the "Republican brand" is "a loser". |
I agree. Right now a R in front of a candidate's name might cause some people to hold their nose it by no means that the Republicans are done for. Far from it. I remember back in 2005 a great many pundits were writing off the Democratic party from ever taking a majority in the house or Senate. Well look what happened in 2006. The Democrats and their supporters should keep that in mind if they think that they'll be in power for a long time. I don't care what letter is in front of a candidates name. It is where they are at on the issues that matters, and it should be the only thing that matters. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
You're absolutely right. And it also highlights the fallacy of the premise of this entire thread - that just because a Republican lost, the "Republican brand" is "a loser". |
It is the Republican party and officials that are worried.
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The Republican defeat in a special Congressional contest in Mississippi sent waves of apprehension across an already troubled party Wednesday, with some senior Republicans urging Congressional candidates to distance themselves from President Bush to head off what could be heavy losses in the fall.
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Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma, the chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, did not go as far as his predecessor, Mr. Davis, in advising members to step away from Mr. Bush. But Mr. Cole, facing growing restiveness among Republicans about the party leadership, acknowledged the tumult in his party’s ranks and suggested that his committee would look for a change in strategy. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| They're politicians - worrying about getting or staying in power is their job (unfortunately, it seems to be their only job!). |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| They're politicians - worrying about getting or staying in power is their job (unfortunately, it seems to be their only job!). |
You are so right.
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