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kenmabmcc

Joined: Nov 20, 2003 Posts: 7258
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: Palins' Press Problem.... |
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Behind the lipstick
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She is also a liar. She is not a liar in the usual political sense. She tells lies that can be shown to be empirically untrue by anyone with access to the public record. Many of these lies are trivial, but their triviality is related to the fact that they are utterly unnecessary. I learnt a long time ago, following the Clintons, that if people lie unnecessarily about small things, they are capable of lying about the big things as well.
In the past month we have discovered the following: Palin told one interviewer that she asked her daughters for permission to accept McCain’s veep offer; she told another that she had accepted the offer immediately and unblinkingly without asking anyone. The first version was, it turned out, a lie. But it sounded good for the 10 seconds needed on national television.
She insisted back in Wasilla that she did not fire the police chief. When the reporter called the cop to check, he read a termination letter, signed by Palin, over the telephone. Despite her claim to Couric, Palin has not met any trade missions from Russia.
She did not oppose the “bridge to nowhere” in Alaska; she lobbied for it. She said she sold a state aeroplane on eBay. She did not. She claimed her Teleprompter failed in her convention speech. It did not. She said Alaska’s state scientists had concluded that polar bears were in no danger. A journalist’s legal request to review the report showed that she had lied and the scientists had indeed said the bear was endangered. Palin said Alaska provided “nearly 20% of the US domestic supply of energy”. It does not. The gas pipeline she touts as her main “mission accomplished” has not broken ground and may never do so. She says she took a pay cut as mayor of Wasilla. She did not. And on and on.
These lies are not in any dispute because they are factually checkable. To avoid any engagement on these subjects and the untruths she has told, she refuses to hold a press conference of any type. |
This is why she is kept away from any questioning reporters.
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pasquanel

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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| For minute I thiught you were quoting a reliable "News Source"
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xavierx

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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| pasquanel wrote: |
| For minute I thiught you were quoting a reliable "News Source" |
Isn't that against the forum rules? |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| pasquanel wrote: |
| For minute I thiught you were quoting a reliable "News Source" |
I see I should not quote from non-US sources as they are not "reliable".
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louis-the-cat

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Putting aside Andrew Sullivan's obvious bias in this opinion piece,
he claims
"These lies are not in any dispute because they are factually checkable."
Is this statement correct....are they checkable....and is she guilty of making up stories, mis-spokes or as Sullivan puts it...telling lies? |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| louis-the-cat wrote: |
| Is this statement correct....are they checkable....and is she guilty of making up stories, mis-spokes or as Sullivan puts it...telling lies? |
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Palin_asked_daughter...n_veep_
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Appearing on Fox last night, Sarah Palin told Sean Hannity a heartwarming story of how she asked her teenage daughters for their opinion before accepting the vp offer.
"So ask the girls what they thought and they’re like, ‘Absolutely, let’s do this, Mom,’” Palin recounted of her daughters, Bristol and Willow.
Yet, according to the campaign-provided timeline of how Palin's selection came about, her kids only found out the big news after they were spirited from Alaska to Ohio for the announcement. |
That's one.
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| louis-the-cat wrote: |
| Is this statement correct....are they checkable....and is she guilty of making up stories, mis-spokes or as Sullivan puts it...telling lies? |
Police Chief termination letter here[pdf]
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/09/05/2008161472.pdf
That's two.
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| louis-the-cat wrote: |
| Is this statement correct....are they checkable....and is she guilty of making up stories, mis-spokes or as Sullivan puts it...telling lies? |
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/542833.html
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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who touts her state's proximity to Russia as part of her foreign policy experience, has not met with Russian leaders or delegations, negotiated any Russian issues or visited the country, according to an Associated Press review of records from the governor's office.
The review showed that the Republican vice presidential candidate has negotiated with only one country, Canada, and until last week had met with the leader of only one other, tiny Iceland. Her portfolio expanded last week when she went to New York and met seven foreign leaders attending the U.N. General Assembly. |
That's three.
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| louis-the-cat wrote: |
| Is this statement correct....are they checkable....and is she guilty of making up stories, mis-spokes or as Sullivan puts it...telling lies? |
http://mediamatters.org/items/200809040019
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| Several media outlets, including The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and The Washington Post, that have previously challenged Gov. Sarah Palin's assertion that she "told the Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that bridge to nowhere," did not report that she repeated the false claim in her September 3 vice-presidential acceptance speech. Previously, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Post (in four separate articles) had noted that, in the words of a September 2 Post article, "Palin said she told the federal government, 'Thanks but no thanks.'" But, as the Post also reported, "she does not mention that she endorsed the bridge when she was a candidate for governor. And the money did not go back to Washington. It stayed in Alaska for a different road project." While the Post, The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times each had reported that Palin had previously supported the bridge, and at least one of those articles in each paper additionally noted that Alaska kept the money that had been appropriated for it, none of the three newspapers -- in two September 4 articles in The New York Times, two articles in the Los Angeles Times, and two articles in the Post -- reported that Palin's nomination acceptance speech included the falsehood. |
That's four.
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pasquanel

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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| pasquanel wrote: |
| For minute I thiught you were quoting a reliable "News Source" |
I see I should not quote from non-US sources as they are not "reliable".
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Sir you may quote from any source you want and it seems you do your fair share of "cherry picking" but that does not make it fact.  |
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xavierx

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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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What, you didn't expect anything but blogs and "news" articles that contradict themselves within the article, did you? You actually expected reasoned debate?
Thanks, I needed a laugh! |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| pasquanel wrote: |
Sir you may quote from any source you want and it seems you do your fair share of "cherry picking" but that does not make it fact.  |
There are so many Palin "cherry's" out there there,
whether they be stories, mis-spokes or as Sullivan puts it...telling lies?,
that it makes it difficult just to pick one for each category...
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