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kenmabmcc
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 Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: Palin-trooper probe |
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Subpoenas to be issued
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The Alaska Legislature is hastening its ethics investigation into Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of her public safety commissioner, making it far more likely it will be completed before November's election.
State Sen. Hollis French said Friday that seven witnesses told the Legislature's investigator they will refuse depositions and canceled their meetings. French, who is overseeing the investigation into whether Palin abused her power, said the Legislature will subpoena these witnesses, who do not include the governor.
Lawmakers say they have put the investigation on a fast track now that Palin is Republican John McCain's running mate. The investigation previously was expected to end on Oct. 31. French said the new target date for investigator Stephen Branchflower to complete the report is Oct. 10.
"It's just basic fairness to the governor," said French, an Anchorage Democrat who heads the Senate Judiciary Committee. "We started to focus on Oct. 31 because that's the end of Mr. Branchflower's contract, but our motion says prepare a report in a timely manner."
In July, a state oversight committee approved $100,000 for an investigation into whether Palin fired public safety commissioner Walt Monegan because he would not dismiss a trooper, Mike Wooten, who went through a messy divorce with her sister before Palin's election as governor. |
Looks likely that any republican vetting of Palin was very sketchy.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| As usual, only 1/2 the story. As I reported previously, Palin is cooperating 100%. She was praised for her cooperation as a matter of fact.
So why the subpoenas now?:
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| But Bailey's lawyer Greg Grebe had kept Bailey from meeting Branchflower because, like Van Flein, he questioned Branchflower's jurisdiction. |
And, rather than rule on the real issue, the Democrat in charge would rather politicize the issue. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I find it very unlikely that McCain didn't know about all this when she was selected. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| I find it very unlikely that McCain didn't know about all this when she was selected. |
Perhaps.
But then if it ends up as a "October Surprise", what does it say about McCains judgement before she was selected ?
It looks to me that after the religious right put on the hard word about Lieberman being unacceptable to them as VP,
that McCain was desperate for an acceptable candidate for them.
Which worked, as then the religious right started pouring donations into McCains election fund. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Ken, that argument makes no sense. If all McCain was trying to do was appease the "religious right" who you say didn't want Lieberman (and we'll have to take your word for it that McCain did), then he would have picked Romney or Huckabee. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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You may be right.
But then Romney has problems too
Evangelicals and Romney's V.P. prospects
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| Some evangelicals have opposed Romney on the grounds that they believe his Mormon faith is a cult. Other conservative religious leaders have questioned whether Romney's switch to opposing abortion represents a genuine commitment to the issue. |
And Huckabee
Mike Huckabee
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| The fundraiser is less than thrilled with the idea of Huckabee as the vice presidential nominee, and many economic conservatives—turned off by the populist tone of Huckabee's campaign and his tax record as governor—are likely to share that marked lack of enthusiasm. |
His big loss in South Carolina would not help either.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Right - so what you're saying is that McCain made the correct pick. So what's the point of this thread? |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| Right - so what you're saying is that McCain made the correct pick. |
no
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| So what's the point of this thread? |
Looks likely that any republican vetting of Palin was very sketchy.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
Looks likely that any republican vetting of Palin was very sketchy.
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Said despite ample proof to the contrary, as usual. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| kenmabmcc wrote: |
Looks likely that any republican vetting of Palin was very sketchy.
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Said despite ample proof to the contrary, as usual. |
And you would say that Palin was deep vetted months ago 
McCain wanted Lieberman until the religious right told him that Lieberman was unacceptable.
Palin was a pick in haste that ticked all the conservative religious right boxes and would not offend any other republican,
deep vetting was the last thing on McCains mind.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Again, claims without proof. There's no point in continuing this discussion if this is where it's going to keep going, so bye. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| Again, claims without proof. There's no point in continuing this discussion if this is where it's going to keep going, so bye. |
http://www.timberjay.com/current.php?article=4661
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What’s most disturbing is that the McCain campaign did so little to vet his running mate. McCain, who called Palin a “soulmate” last week, had met her just once prior to his 15-minute interview with her before making his selection. Most small business owners spend more time interviewing a prospective employee than McCain spent getting to know a political newcomer he now proposes to place a heartbeat away from the presidency. While Palin is technically qualified for the office— she’s old enough under the Constitution— no one can credibly argue that she was the best pick for the job.
Newspapers in Alaska, including the one in Palin’s hometown of Wasilla, are reporting that the McCain campaign never sought to go through back issues of their newspapers, to find out what surprises could be lurking there. Nor did the campaign speak to the fired public safety commissioner, to hear his side of that troubling incident.
While the McCain campaign’s talking points, dutifully parroted by Gov. Tim Pawlenty and many others, insist that Palin was thoroughly vetted, those claims are patently false. The campaign just recently sent a team of lawyers to Alaska to check into her background— work that is supposed to be done before a selection, not afterwards. Sen. McCain and his campaign have been caught with their pants down on this, and they know it |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Yeah, whatever Ken. Keep on spinning.
And, let's assume for the moment that McCain did "accidentally brilliantly" pick Palin. What does that say about Obama/Biden, that an "accidental" pick rocked the election, and that Palin is more liked than any other candidate? Or that her pick alone eliminated the Obama convention bump?
I think the left needs to back of this attack - it just makes their guy look worse! |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| Again, claims without proof. There's no point in continuing this discussion if this is where it's going to keep going, so bye. |
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/america/31reconstruct.php
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McCain had wanted to name as his running mate his good friend Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, the Democrat turned independent. But by the end of last weekend, the outrage from Christian conservatives over the possibility that McCain would fill out the Republican ticket with Lieberman, a supporter of abortion rights, had become too intense to be ignored.
With time running out, and after a long meeting with his inner circle in Phoenix, McCain finally picked up the phone last Sunday and reached Palin at the Alaska State Fair. Although the campaign's polling on McCain's potential running mates was inconclusive on the selection of Palin — virtually no one had heard of her, a McCain adviser said — the governor, who opposes abortion, had glowing reviews from influential social conservatives. |
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Martok
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
| kenmabmcc wrote: |
Looks likely that any republican vetting of Palin was very sketchy.
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Said despite ample proof to the contrary, as usual. |
And you would say that Palin was deep vetted months ago
McCain wanted Lieberman until the religious right told him that Lieberman was unacceptable.
Palin was a pick in haste that ticked all the conservative religious right boxes and would not offend any other republican,
deep vetting was the last thing on McCains mind.
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How on earth would you know?
You don't know how we think and do things here...really. You read about us and watch video. Did you ever think what you read and watch was hand picked by someone else trying to influence people?
We LIVE the election process, and WE can't even agree!!!
You've got NO chance to really understand what's going on here.
BTW, everyone I know thinks picking Palin was, "Brilliant", even Democrats. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Martok wrote: |
How on earth would you know?
You don't know how we think and do things here...really. You read about us and watch video. Did you ever think what you read and watch was hand picked by someone else trying to influence people?
We LIVE the election process, and WE can't even agree!!!
You've got NO chance to really understand what's going on here.
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I would agree with the Bold
Perhaps if you were outside looking in you would see things differently.
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bern
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
Perhaps if you were outside looking in you would see things differently.
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That "differently" would be accurate only if while looking in you didn't have a filter over your window that distorted the view. And the press, in general, is not a distortion free filter.  |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| That "differently" would be accurate only if while looking in you didn't have a filter over your window that distorted the view. And the press, in general, is not a distortion free filter. |
There are very few who have direct knowledge of events.
We all look through the press[media] filter,
but generally, if we read enough different accounts of the same thing,
we can get to a good approximation of what occurred.
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bern
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| bern wrote: |
| That "differently" would be accurate only if while looking in you didn't have a filter over your window that distorted the view. And the press, in general, is not a distortion free filter. |
There are very few who have direct knowledge of events.
We all look through the press[media] filter,
but generally, if we read enough different accounts of the same thing,
we can get to a good approximation of what occurred.
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The difference is that here I can (and do) read coverage of national events in media of different political slants. I am not aware that New Zealand (and most other non American) press has anything other than negative views of life here. (and I do read papers from the UK and Germany (in German).
On that basis, I think a broad reader of American press has a better idea of American events than a reader of only non American press might have. (Note: this statement says nothing of American knowledge of foreign lands)
Let me offer a small illustration: We had house guests from Germany a couple years back as part of a sister city exchange (in which our family are active participants). As we were walking around our neighborhood, they asked where all the American flags were. I said "why do you ask?" They said that they thought most/all Americans were so superpatriotic that they all fly the flag all the time. As we traveled around the State, they commented again when it became evident that our neighborhood was not unique in that regard.
Similar things have happened with house guests from the UK and from Japan, the other countries with which our small town has sister city relationships. And the flag issue is only the one that sticks in my mind at the moment. Most visitors here I have talked with have very distorted preexisting ideas of life here, probably gleaned from the press, movies, and TV.
For what it is worth, the most patriotic country (as measured by flags flying per capita) I have ever visited (I have visited over 83) is Norway. They fly flags kind of like the Germans thought we did. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| bern wrote: |
The difference is that here I can (and do) read coverage of national events in media of different political slants. I am not aware that New Zealand (and most other non American) press has anything other than negative views of life here. (and I do read papers from the UK and Germany (in German).
On that basis, I think a broad reader of American press has a better idea of American events than a reader of only non American press might have. |
Sorry to pop your bubble bern, but we do have internet, even here.
For many years I had annual subscriptions to Time and Newsweek magazines,
but I have given them up,
for a far wider political/news reading that is available via US media on the internet.
So I would agree with you that broad reader of American press has a better idea of American events
than a reader of only non American press might have.
I do not know what NZ newspapers you read,
but the ones I glance at have a mainly positive view of America and Americans.
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