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Charred



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:54 am    Post subject: Monitor & Eye Strain

Many of us spend a great deal of time on the computer on a daily basis. Surfing, looking things up, reading, playing games, participating in many forums, etc.

Personally, these activities have taken its toll on the eyes. The strain has been bad enough that, for the past month or so, I have limited myself to about an hour or so daily.

Beside the obvious (way too many hours on the computer), what am I doing wrong?
1. Am I sitting too close (20 inches) to the monitor? What is proper distance?
2. Is my monitor too bright? How bright should it be?
3. My monitor is a CRT, should it be an LCD? Is an LCD monitor easier on the eyes?
4. Should I look down at or up to the screen? I am looking dead ahead.
5. Monitor is 17" Dell flat panel set at 1024 X 768, vid card is 32MB ATI Rage 128 Ultra, refresh rate is 85 Hertz.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Werebo



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Charred wrote:
Many of us spend a great deal of time on the computer on a daily basis. Surfing, looking things up, reading, playing games, participating in many forums, etc.

Personally, these activities have taken its toll on the eyes. The strain has been bad enough that, for the past month or so, I have limited myself to about an hour or so daily.

Beside the obvious (way too many hours on the computer), what am I doing wrong?
1. Am I sitting too close (20 inches) to the monitor? What is proper distance?
2. Is my monitor too bright? How bright should it be?
3. My monitor is a CRT, should it be an LCD? Is an LCD monitor easier on the eyes?
4. Should I look down at or up to the screen? I am looking dead ahead.
5. Monitor is 17" Dell flat panel set at 1024 X 768, vid card is 32MB ATI Rage 128 Ultra, refresh rate is 85 Hertz.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Allo Charred Smile ,
According to here, you should have the monitor between 12" - 30" away and the top of the viewing area at eye-level. The brightness/contrast is relative to the amount of worklight around you, having the monitor too bright or too high a contrast will cause eyestrain and bad headaches, the same as if the settings are too low. It depends on your own eyesight Wink

Any work lights should be placed so as not to cause reflection or 'glare' on the screen, and the monitor's refresh rate should be set as high as the graphics card AND monitor can comfortably use. Too low a setting will cause a screen flicker, leading to the headaches again. Too high a setting will wreck the monitor/video card or both!!!

LCD or CRT monitor ..... This is more about workspace than health for the most part... the LCD will use a whole lot less space on your desk/table than a CRT, but purely personally, I prefer the CRT display... The LCD screen does give a nice 'crisp' display, but the CRT gives a more realistic 'warmer' display, especially where photo's/movies are concerned...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Ergonomics dictate distance, angle, brightness, etc.

But it all comes down to what feels good to you.

My optitian tells me that people fail to blink often enough when they work at a computer and this causes more eye strain. It was suggested that I use Artificial Tears to keep my eyes damp.

Using Computer Glasses is a good idea for anyone who spends long periods at their computer.

I don't like LCD's because they have more limited capabilities than a CRT and many of the ones I've seen have very large pixels. I could almost count them. That makes the screen look grainy. My 19" Sony Trinitron is as smooth as a photograph. NO pixelation.

Again....to each his/her own.

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clhenry



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

My eyes were a mess from working on them daily. I switched to a LCD in the workshop and noticed a big improvement. Then i switched from my 19" crt personal computer to a 17" lcd, "can't really see a difference in size". My eyes feel like new again.
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Charred



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Thanks for the reply and link, Werebo. The information is appreciated.

I adjusted brightness and contrast a little and will go with that for a while to see it it will help.

Eyesight is otherwise okay.

I will google to find out about "computer glasses". That didn't take long and here is a link for others who may be interested: http://www.eyefatigue.com/cvs-computer-glasses.html

Is it true that some LCD monitors are less grainy?

Thanks for all the replys.
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Werebo



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Charred wrote:
I adjusted brightness and contrast a little and will go with that for a while to see it it will help.

Yep, try each setting for a few days in a range of background light, artificial and daylight... they're easy enough to adjust to the various light ranges as you need it...

Charred wrote:
Is it true that some LCD monitors are less grainy?


Yep... It depends on the size of the LCD's themselves (usually referred to as 'Dot Pitch')...

Dot pitch refers to the space between the pixels that make up the images on your screen, and is measured in millimeters. The less space between pixels, the better the image quality. On either type of monitor, smaller dot pitch is better.

Nowadays, good quality LCD displays have a dot pitch of .15mm, compared to the early monitors of about .28mm - .3mm... As The Shadow said, you could almost count the dots Laughing ...
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FormalDaHyde



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

TheShadow wrote:
... 19" Sony Trinitron is as smooth as a photograph...
I am betting that the 2 ApertureGrill damper wires are not visible 'accessories' that adorn the photographs, as they adorn the SONY monitor! wink.gif

On the other hand, LCD monitors have hit such low prices (Fry's ad of today >> $179 for an Envision 19") that they are becoming too irresistible!
Unfortunately, I don't feel LCDs can compete with the best of CRT monitors at any price, at the present time!
Of couse, if you are in a brightly lit office-environment, looking mostly at text; a good LCD will provide much crisper lines than an equivalent CRT any day!
However, when an all-around monitor is needed to serve multiple needs (from text >> to imaging >> to video rendering >> to gaming) in a variety of possible environments, I don't consider any LCD (within a 1.5:1 price ratio) to be comparible to the performance of a CRT.

I also consider the whole LCD industry to be doing a disservice to the consumers with the advertisement ploys they utilize:
*Their specmanship wars have escalated to the point where NEC/Mitsubishi had slapped ViewSonic for deceptive specmanship lawsuit (... which was recently settled out of court)!
*The fact that most LCDs should only be used in the "Native Resolution" can also be deceptively hidden from the user.
* Another confusion is display's dot pitch (for CRTs) or pixel pitch (for LCDs). Dot pitch measures the distance between same-colored phosphors; pixel pitch measures the distance between same-colored pixel segments. {I never heard of an LCD monitor with "0.15mm 'dot pitch'} Confused
*What additionally allows the continuation of this upheaval in the industry is partially caused by the lack of any meaningful measurement and specificational standards by VESA (Video Electronics Standards Association) Flat Panel Display Measurement (FPDM) group (still pending but may become worthless). For example, there remains about 4 different ways of measuring (and stating) the "ResponseTime" of an LCD monitor.
*There is also a lot of deceptive hype over the "ContrastRatio" specification. Industry cannot even agree what units of measure to utilize {IMHO >> dismal would be my spec for almost all LCD monitor' ContrastRatio specifications.}
*Please also remember that a 19" LCD monitor has a bigger display area than the equivalent 19" CRT monitor!

To make a good purchase decision, a consumer should not be so myopic to absolutely rely on a few (problematic) specifications to make that decision. Especially if s/he will be staring at a monitor all day long {I apologize if you are still reading this charred!}

DisplayMate is a company that provides a set of standardized testing software for the industry!
They also provide a very plausible Comparison Chart for CRTs versus LCDs. I urge others to review this chart, as it may be pertinent to a final purchase decision.

I apologize for the length of this reply
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Werebo



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Re: pitch size, I got the info from here. I must admit, I was surprised to see so low a size now, I thought it was down to about .22mm Embarassed ...

At the end of the day though, it boils down to the pairs of eyes concerned Shocked... What's good for some is near impossible for t'others Laughing...

The one suggestion I always make though, go out and look at and play with as many different models as possible, even if you don't buy it from that store... At the very least, it will give you a good idea of the display properties and whether it's suitable for your eyes Very Happy...
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clhenry



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Charred, here is a good link that explains the difference between them. Some good info here.

http://www.overclockinghq.com/articles/crt_vs_lcd.php
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FormalDaHyde



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Werebo wrote:
... good quality LCD displays have a dot pitch of .15mm...
I am not aware of the necessity for such "pixel pitch" on a lowly PC display! CAD-grade 21" CRT monitors have had such narrow "Dot Pitch" as far back as a dozen years but... the referenced article sounded like they were discussing CRT monitors. In all actuality, "Pixel Pitch" is not really relevant spec to LCD monitors but in attempts to compare LCDvCRT, it almost becomes necessary to toss out such a number for LCDs, in their defense!

Before the craze is all over, I would strongly recommend other Gnomies to go to an HomeEntertainment store and catch the disappearing soccer ball, during the televised WorldCup. No really! Go in front of the biggest and the baddest (aka most expensive) LCD TV you can find in the store: and watch that soccerball almost become a fuzzball when in motion. Also notice what happens to the jersey numbers of the players in motion... LCD=====>pfffft.gif
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Werebo



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Another good and simple test is to look at the LCD screen, then take several steps sideways and note how quick the picture degrades Laughing ...
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Charred



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Wow. A great deal of good information passed off by all.
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Yes, I did read it all FMD, and no need to apologize. I feel a lot of Gnomies will benefit from your writings and from the research and suggestions by all.

At this point, I will continue to test the new brightness and contrast levels for a few days. Hopefully, this alone will solve my problem. I really miss not being able to use the computer as much as I did in the past. On the plus side, I missed all the forum hiccups.

Thanks all for all the good links (yes, I did read some of them and will read the rest over the next couple of days), and for taking your time to help.
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boardflak



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

CRT vs LCD is definitely a "your mileage may vary" subject. In the plant/office where I do computer support, I've given LCD monitors to 40 or so users. Not a single one has ever wanted their CRT back - and in a few cases where an older LCD developed problems and I had to give them a CRT - or where they changed jobs and didn't have an LCD in the new location - they have nagged me until they got an LCD back. At present, I have to get new LCD purchases approved by our corporate offices (new rules), but I have a waiting list of users wanting LCDs when I can get them.

Of course, this is a work setup, and the number of soccer balls or players' numbers on the screens here are few, if any.
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goretsky



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: Monitor & Eye Strain [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Hello,

If you have started to have problems with your eyes after using the same computing equipment for a while without any prior issues, then it may be a good idea to visit your ophthalmologist for an eye exam. Our eyes change over time, and it is possible yours have shifted enough so what were once comfortable settings are now leading to some discomfort. An ophthalmologist should be able to help determine if this is occurring and recommend corrective steps to take to reduce or alleviate the problem.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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