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kenmabmcc
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A amusing Op-Ed by Gail Collins, when you remember that Sanford voted to impeach Clinton.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/opinion/25collins.html?th&emc=th
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| Fourth, before this search for a presidential nominee goes any further, I’m thinking it’s time for the Republicans to apologize for putting us through the Clinton impeachment. We seem to have pretty well established that sexual stone-throwing is a dangerous sport. |
I wonder if any potential republican presidential nominee can be found that hasn't got a wife and also a girlfriend....
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xavierx
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| Probably more than you can find of Democrats - they just don't hide it, they encourage cheating.
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
Probably more than you can find of Democrats - they just don't hide it, they encourage cheating.
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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I think its time to move the "HONEST POLITICIAN" from the endangered species list to the extinct species list.
The only way we are ever going to sort these thieves out is to vote "the ins out" with no regard to party lines or
whether he is a "good guy" or not.
Being a senator in the USA is a sweetheart deal, serve one term get a great retirement for life!
You don't even have to wait till your sixty five!!
You do not have to contribute to social security, you have a much better program.
You already have the best health care system on earth and will not have to join the mandatory program you are attempting
to jam down our throat.
People wake up!! The America you were once proud of is evaporating before your very eyes! It's being stolen from you
by a community agitator and his socialist buddies. Everything they are attempting has already failed all over the globe many times! In his first three months he (BHO) has tripled the debt of the previous administration! |
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bern
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:35 am Post subject: Re: The Love Party [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
A amusing Op-Ed by Gail Collins, when you remember that Sanford voted to impeach Clinton.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/opinion/25collins.html?th&emc=th
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| Fourth, before this search for a presidential nominee goes any further, I’m thinking it’s time for the Republicans to apologize for putting us through the Clinton impeachment. We seem to have pretty well established that sexual stone-throwing is a dangerous sport. |
I wonder if any potential republican presidential nominee can be found that hasn't got a wife and also a girlfriend....
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Before we get carried away by the fun of this, remember the Clinton impeachment was not about philandering. It was about perjury and obstruction of justice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Good luck with that one, Bern. I've been trying to explain that to many people here for about 1/2 a decade now! |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: The Love Party [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Before we get carried away by the fun of this, remember the Clinton impeachment was not about philandering. |
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| The charges, perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power arose from the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit. |
In other words, from the republicans unhealthy interest in other peoples sex lives...
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bern
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: The Love Party [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
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| Before we get carried away by the fun of this, remember the Clinton impeachment was not about philandering. |
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| The charges, perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power arose from the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit. |
In other words, from the republicans unhealthy interest in other peoples sex lives...
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You still have it backwards. It started when Paula Jones brought a sexual harassment lawsuit against Clinton. (Over the years, such lawsuits have been encouraged by the left leaning trial lawyers and women's lib groups).
Testimony about Monica Lewinsky and other employees to show a pattern of behavior by Clinton was allowed by the court. Clinton's testimony during that lawsuit was found by a judge to be false. The suit ended when Clinton paid $850,000 to Jones. (one magistrate felt that Clinton shouldn't have to pay because Jones was not "damaged" by the harassment.)
Jones subsequent life fell apart. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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It was only the republicans that were pruriently concerned about the sex lives of others....
The Prurient Trap
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And this kind of hypocrisy isn’t confined to the politicians. It permeates the electorate. While conservatives fight to “defend” marriage from gays, they can’t keep theirs together. According to the Census Bureau’s Statistical Abstract, states that went Republican in November accounted for eight of the 10 states with the highest divorce rates in 2006.
Conservatives touted abstinence-only education, which was a flop, when real sex education was needed, most desperately in red states. According to 2006 data from the Guttmacher Institute, those red states accounted for eight of the 10 states with the highest teenage birthrates.
And, a study titled “Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?” that was conducted by Benjamin Edelman, an assistant professor of business at Harvard Business School and published earlier this year in the Journal of Economic Perspectives found that subscriptions to online pornography sites were “more prevalent in states where surveys indicate conservative positions on religion, gender roles, and sexuality” and in states where “more people agree that ‘I have old-fashioned values about family and marriage.’ ” |
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bern
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| It was only the republicans that were pruriently concerned about the sex lives of others.... |
Nice try, Ken. Sllickly ignoring facts about Clinton.
Now, about your op-ed piece:
It is a magnificent piece of data mining: looking for statistics that support one point of view and ignoring statistics that don't support it. Since the Republican/Democrat balance in states is generally very close, a large difference in a state's performance from national average on any scale usually represents the state's culture more than its Republican/Democrat balance
Furtherrrmoe there are very significant statistical traps in the article:
The Prurient Trap
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| And this kind of hypocrisy isn’t confined to the politicians. It permeates the electorate. While conservatives fight to “defend” marriage from gays, they can’t keep theirs together. According to the Census Bureau’s Statistical Abstract, states that went Republican in November accounted for eight of the 10 states with the highest divorce rates in 2006. |
Proves nothing. There is no evidence that it was the Republicans who got the divorces. It could have very well been Democrats who disproportionately divorced.
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| Conservatives touted abstinence-only education, which was a flop, when real sex education was needed, most desperately in red states. According to 2006 data from the Guttmacher Institute, those red states accounted for eight of the 10 states with the highest teenage birthrates. |
Where is the evidence that it was the daughters of Republicans who got pregnant disproportionately? Disproportionate Democrat daughter pregnancy would have done the same thing.
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| And, a study titled “Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?” that was conducted by Benjamin Edelman, an assistant professor of business at Harvard Business School and published earlier this year in the Journal of Economic Perspectives found that subscriptions to online pornography sites were “more prevalent in states where surveys indicate conservative positions on religion, gender roles, and sexuality” and in states where “more people agree that ‘I have old-fashioned values about family and marriage.’ ” |
Maybe there is less sexual stimulation/product around for the Democrats to enjoy, so they buy a lot of internet pornography. It is not necessary in New York City. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Whatever Bern...
it still seems if you live in a republican dominated state,
you will enjoy prurient sex more, than other states less republican dominated.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Wow, thanks Bern. That was a fun one to "watch" - I think that may be the first time Ken has given up instead of changing the subject!
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Guide to recent Republican Sex Scandals
Sex Scandals Short-Circuit GOP
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Mr. Sanford's confession came eight days after Sen. John Ensign of Nevada announced that he had engaged in an extramarital affair. Mr. Ensign resigned his post in the Senate Republican leadership. Mr. Sanford resigned his as head of the Republican Governors Association and appeared to give up his budding ambitions -- to help the party redefine itself with a new message and new face, and possibly to challenge President Barack Obama in the 2012 election.
And the GOP, still struggling after losing control of Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008, was left to wonder when it would stop seeing its attempts to attract positive attention trumped by embarrassments. |
GOP: Champions of "Family Values" Become Party of Vice
The headline says it all...
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bern
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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It seems clear you live in a Republican dominated state, since you seem to have a prurient interest in other people's sex lives.
Oh, wait a minute... |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:45 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Yes Bern..
..I am interested in the republicans' prurient interest in the sex lives of Americans...
..how far have these righteous preachers against sexual sin have fallen...
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:58 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| bern wrote: |
| It seems clear you live in a Republican dominated state, |
This is true, the conservatives won the last election here,....6 months ago..
Already one Conservative MP has had to resign
Disgraced New Zealand politician quits Parliament
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Disgraced New Zealand politician Richard Worth, who resigned as a government minister nearly two weeks ago as police opened an investigation into a woman's complaint about an unwanted sexual encounter, announced Friday that he was quitting Parliament.
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CowpokeBob
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Oh I'm not going to get dragged down the rabbit hole into any comparison study of which party did what to whom and how in the sexual arena. I don't see where either party has any high ground to stand on there. Funny though how Ken would go to such lengths to illustrate it since that appears to be what he is complaining about Republicans doing. But not if you consider that Ken's overall view seems to be that if someone else does it first (preferably on the Republican side) than it is OK (at least for Democrats). This couldn't be because Republicans have a moral code they try to follow and Democrats don't could it?
Now I have no more interest in the sexual exploits of any politician than maybe a raised eyebrow and an "oh really!" unless it involves violating the law. I do think that as representatives of their respective constituencies they should attempt to purport themselves in a higher manner in general then the rest of us. I also know that they are human like the rest of us. So failing that they should admit their failure, accept responsibility for it, apologize and move on. That is what governor Stanford has done and why I support his staying in office and would vote for him again in spite of his recent exploits. He's done a good job for the state.
Two examples of politicians I have no use for at all. President Clinton, a Democrat. I found Clinton's sexual escapades amusing to start with until he created such a fuss in trying to deny them. Had he simply admitted the affairs once caught he would have retained my support since I approved of the job he was doing even otherwise, if a bit liberal for my taste. The pain he inflicted on this country by his selfish denial of the incident, which only served to fan the flames, instead earned him nothing but contempt and my subsequent support for his impeachment. On the opposite side of the aisle we have US Sen. Larry Craig, a Republican. I can't speak for the man's political performance since I don't live in Minn. and he wasn't my representative. Nor was he a figure of any prominence in national politics. At least not until his exploits at the airport bathroom made the papers. Again it was not his sexual exploits, however bizarre, that bother me most. It was his admission of guilt then subsequent denial once the charges became public knowledge and it looked like they would hurt him politically.
That both of these men still deny any wrong doing on their parts is what causes me to hold both of them in total contempt. I realize people will err. i don't believe that should be the cause of ruining a life or career in most cases, especially when it come to extra-marital affairs or sexual pursuits. But I do believe there are certain moral standards and that people should be held to them. Something that on the whole Democrats and Liberals seem to have problems grasping the concept of IMHO. |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| It would seem that Republicans and conservatives as a whole (if we're going to generalize here) have the same problem there CowpokeBob. It isn't just liberals & Democrats in this country that don't live up to the moral standards that are demanded of others. |
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CowpokeBob
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| It would seem that Republicans and conservatives as a whole (if we're going to generalize here) have the same problem there CowpokeBob. It isn't just liberals & Democrats in this country that don't live up to the moral standards that are demanded of others. |
Yes but that kind of misses my real point. Yes folks on both sides of the political divide have had their problems with moral standards of conduct. In fact we all do to one extent or another have our shortcomings in that area. I acknowledged that sad fact without trying to analyze the reasons why that might be. I simply consider it a flaw in the human psyche.
My point however was not that one side or another had a bigger problem with morality but on the way the two sides handle themselves in dealing with a scandal once it becomes public knowledge. That says a lot to me about the moral fiber of each side. Democrats it seems tend to come together, circling the wagons to protect those that get caught at infidelity or other slips of morality regardless of guilt or the reasons while Republicans tend to condemn those actions outright forcing those caught to take responsibility for their actions. I was just making an observation based on past scandals and the way they were handled by each side. |
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