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Outshined
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Am I the only one disgusted by this situation? After the guy retires, they come up with a test supposedly done last year on a five-year-old urine sample and try to drag his name through the mud with it? :angry:
The urine sample was given in 1999, the test was done in 2004; can they guarantee it was not tampered with in that time? This is just a disgrace. :thumbdown:
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Armstrong questioned the validity of testing samples frozen six years ago, how those samples were handled since, and how he could be expected to defend himself when the only confirming evidence - the 'A' sample used for the 1999 tests - no longer existed. He also charged officials at the suburban Paris lab with violating World Anti-Doping Agency code for failing to safeguard the anonymity of any remaining 'B' samples it had.
"It doesn't surprise me at all that they have samples. Clearly they've tested all of my samples since then to the highest degree. But when I gave those samples," he said, referring to 1999, "there was not EPO in those samples. I guarantee that." |
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Webb
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Bicycle racing. I should care because ...?
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Am I the only one disgusted by this situation? After the guy retires, they come up with a test supposedly done last year on a five-year-old urine sample and try to drag his name through the mud with it? :angry:
The urine sample was given in 1999, the test was done in 2004; can they guarantee it was not tampered with in that time? This is just a disgrace. :thumbdown:
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No you are not alone. The people involved in this have been trying to discredit Armstrong for years with no avail. The entire claim is highly suspect after all this time and I don't put any stock in their claims.
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patio
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Personally, i take Armstrong's word on this...he has far more character than any of these goons.
patio. B) |
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12quidkidinnit
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| I have never even heard of him, but it sounds to me like an attempt at character assassination, particularly in view of the length of time since the sample was taken. |
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Serial666
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Sample "A" would have been tested in 1999, the "B" sample is a duplicate, used
to check results in the case of controversy following a positive test.
Both samples come from the same "pot".
Why were no drugs found in the 1999 test.
I believe Armstrong in this. |
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Debora
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| What's really sad is that even the reports of the accusers are inconclusive. And yet, they go to the press with those inconclusive reports as fact..... Sad.... After everything he and his family have been through with his cancer and then to survive and not only compete but continue winning is amazing. I's use him as a role model for my kids any day!! |
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oldwolves
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Wow,
The french trying to undermine an American.
I can't believe it! :whistling:
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mommabear
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Bicycle racing. I should care because ...?
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In case you weren't kidding, here's a little information about him.
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He is most famous for recovering from testicular cancer to subsequently win the Tour de France a record seven consecutive times ...
In 2002, Sports Illustrated magazine named him their Sportsman of the Year. He was also named Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year for 2002, 2003 and 2004, received ESPN's ESPY Award for Best Male Athlete in 2003, 2004, and 2005, and won the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Overseas Personality Award in 2003. Armstrong retired from racing at the end of the 2005 Tour de France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong
You've seen the yellow bracelets? He founded this organization to fight cancer.
http://www.livestrong.org/site/c.jvKZLbMRI...k.CC7C/Home.htm |
I'm not into bicycle racing much myself, but this athlete is incredible! |
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clhenry
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Sample "A" would have been tested in 1999, the "B" sample is a duplicate, used
to check results in the case of controversy following a positive test.
Both samples come from the same "pot".
Why were no drugs found in the 1999 test.
I believe Armstrong in this. |
That was my understanding also. If it was " clean in 99 " how could the same batch be
" dirty " now?? |
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gcarlson
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There were 17 samples (B ones) and only 6 showed this supposed doping drug. Since the drug takes weeks to disappear out of the body, they cannot even explain why the other 11 tested negative.
I beleive Armstrong. Besides, every one knows the French hate a winner. Especially since they cant understand the feeling of winning! |
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tony7914
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Sample "A" would have been tested in 1999, the "B" sample is a duplicate, used
to check results in the case of controversy following a positive test.
Both samples come from the same "pot".
Why were no drugs found in the 1999 test.
I believe Armstrong in this.
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How many times did he win in a row? 7 I believe, you don't think the French are sore losers do you? :whistling: |
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tony7914
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Bicycle racing. I should care because ...?
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In case you weren't kidding, here's a little information about him.
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He is most famous for recovering from testicular cancer to subsequently win the Tour de France a record seven consecutive times ...
In 2002, Sports Illustrated magazine named him their Sportsman of the Year. He was also named Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year for 2002, 2003 and 2004, received ESPN's ESPY Award for Best Male Athlete in 2003, 2004, and 2005, and won the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Overseas Personality Award in 2003. Armstrong retired from racing at the end of the 2005 Tour de France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong
You've seen the yellow bracelets? He founded this organization to fight cancer.
http://www.livestrong.org/site/c.jvKZLbMRI...k.CC7C/Home.htm |
I'm not into bicycle racing much myself, but this athlete is incredible!
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After reading this, A bad joke about aerodynamics comes to mind............ :whistling:
Thanks for the info MB  |
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Bicycle racing. I should care because ...?
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I agree and how is this a political Topic? |
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seaeagle
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For those following this topic:
Doping chief backs French lab in Armstrong affair. 06/09/2005. ABC News Online
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World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) president Dick Pound says it is "highly probable" that seven-times Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong did test positive for the banned blood booster EPO.
Armstrong, who retired after his seventh yellow jersey victory last month, has been forced on the defensive since a damaging report by French newspaper L'Equipe two weeks ago detailed test results from the Tour de France in 1999.
The paper alleged Armstrong had tested positive six times for EPO (erythropoietin) in that year's race, his first success on the Tour.
At the time, the test for EPO did not exist and retroactive testing on the samples from 1999, and those of 1998, only began in 2004.
Mr Pound has studied the results from the Paris laboratory from which information on the 1999 samples pertaining to Armstrong was leaked.
"After studying all the evidence from this affair I'm of the opinion that there is evidence of doping," the WADA chief and lawyer told the Internet edition of the Netzeitung newspaper.
"WADA did not receive details of the riders involved. All we got was the results of the test analyses from the French laboratory which don't include any names.
"The information concerning Lance Armstrong originates from L'Equipe newspaper." |
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The newspaper's report on Armstrong has put a huge question mark over the man who dramatically recovered from cancer to come back and win the world's biggest bike race a record seven times - amassing a huge personal fortune in the process.
The International Cycling Union (UCI) is expected to make a statement in the coming days.
In the meantime, the allegations have split opinion worldwide.
While many people in the United States feel Armstrong is a victim of a French conspiracy, there has been a steady stream of detractors who claim the 33-year-old American, who has never tested positive, did use illicit means throughout his career. |
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However, Mr Pound said he had every confidence in the French laboratory which tested the 1999 Tour de France samples, 12 of which tested positive and six of which allegedly belong to Armstrong.
"It is a very good laboratory. I have no reason whatsoever to think the samples have not been tested as they would be normally," he said.
Mr Pound added that he favoured DNA testing to determine whether the samples really did belong to Armstrong, who has poured scorn on the laboratory and its working methods. |
I don't really care one way or the other, but they should go ahead with DNA tests just to set the record straight. |
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clhenry
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http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2156494
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Cycling body has seen no evidence of doping
Associated Press
GENEVA -- While cycling's governing body said Friday it had received no evidence of doping by Lance Armstrong and criticized world doping authorities and a French sports newspaper for making allegations against the seven-time Tour de France champion.
"The UCI has not to date received any official information or document" from anti-doping authorities or the laboratory reportedly involved in the testing of urine samples from the 1999 Tour de France, the cycling federation said.
Allegations that EPO was found in Armstrong's 1999 urine samples were first reported by the French sports daily L'Equipe last month.
Armstrong has angrily denied the charges, saying he was the victim of a "witch hunt." He questioned the validity of testing samples frozen six years ago, and how the samples were handled.
UCI said it was still gathering information and had asked the World Anti-Doping Agency and the French laboratory for more background. It also wanted to know who commissioned the research and who agreed to make it public.
"How could this be done without the riders' consent?" the UCI said.
It also asked WADA to say if it allowed the results to be disseminated, which UCI says is a "breach of WADA's anti-doping code." |
How long has this been going on now?????
If there was evidence, you would think it would have been provided. :blink: |
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