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Debora
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Anyone know of a great (preferrably free) keylogger that when applied will not set off my antivirus/trojan detector nor my firewall and can be auto started at windows startup, be undetectable, and be used in a "limited user" account?
I've tried several and even paid for one but they set off my a/v or my f/w and cannot start in a limited user account. I'm trying to put one on my family pc to track the kids and as such it must be workable on a limited user acct of windows xp. If I change the kids acct to an admin acct they all work but do still set off my a/v.
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jeber
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Several possibilities are here. I don't see anything about whether or not they'd be picked up by your AV/firewall though. |
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goretsky
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
Have you considered using a hardware keylogger such as this or this? They should be completely transparent to any software installed on the computer.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
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Debora
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: |
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actually I've looked at those, Aryeh, but the price is pretty high for what I need. but thanks...
Jeber, I've tried the trials of a few that you recommended already and they fall into the catagories of either not working on a limited user or the a/v goes crazy........I have sent them an email for a work around tho. thanks |
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adkmom
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Hi Deborah,
I'd be interested if you find such a thing- I'm also looking. My son has taken a liking to an online game, Runescape, & I'd feel better knowing exactly what is transpiring during the conversations he has.
I do walk by & peek, every so often, as he plays- but we all know that anywhere there are kids- there are bad people. Young children have zero idea of the dangers- even if you attempt to warn them.
I've explained that there are some very sick people who pretend to be kids to try to get your information & then to find them. But bad people are very clever...you'd only have to see the stories to know this.
Tracy
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actually I've looked at those, Aryeh, but the price is pretty high for what I need. but thanks...
Jeber, I've tried the trials of a few that you recommended already and they fall into the catagories of either not working on a limited user or the a/v goes crazy........I have sent them an email for a work around tho. thanks
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Viper
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:16 am Post subject: |
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[quote=adkmom,Jun 29 2005, 06:37 AM]
Hi Deborah,
I'd be interested if you find such a thing- I'm also looking. My son has taken a liking to an online game, Runescape, & I'd feel better knowing exactly what is transpiring during the conversations he has.
Tracy
I have several programs that cost little and are very good. Spector is not found by any of the virus/trojan/adware/spyware programs I run. I hope this helps. |
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Debora
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| links please? |
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JimTheMuso
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jeber
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Another thought; while it won't help you keep track of what's actually being sent out, if you're behind a router, you can set the router to block certain ports (like those needed for on-line gaming) during selected hours. You can set those ports to only be open from 9AM to 9PM for example. You can also block certain IPs altogether. |
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Debora
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I actually need something that logs keystrokes. I need to know exact verbage of something that's being published online...... |
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Wombatgeek
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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I use the free version of keyboard spy from Panterasoft on my work pc, it has a icon in the task bar which you can hide but on restart it will come back - if your user is savy they will spot this so you need the full version which is stealth enabled I believe.
As for usable with a limited account I do not know. |
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adkmom
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I actually need something that logs keystrokes. I need to know exact verbage of something that's being published online......
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This one looks more reasonable for the money:
http://www.refog.com/keylogger/
Tracy
PS- also has a free version |
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Jamestaylor
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Anyone know of a great (preferrably free) keylogger that when applied will not set off my antivirus/trojan detector nor my firewall and can be auto started at windows startup, be undetectable, and be used in a "limited user" account?
I've tried several and even paid for one but they set off my a/v or my f/w and cannot start in a limited user account.
Thanks for the help.....
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Well you haven't told us about your security setup. If you run some superduper setup with top notch AVs,ATs, antikeylogging features , it's going to be harder to find one that isn't detected.
I suppose most AVs have an ignore option, so you might use that, or is your child smart enough to find this out?
I don't think running in a limited user account is a problem, since most of the top notch keyloggers run as services.
If price is no object Widestep's Elite keylogger is a "kernel level keylogger" and will not be detected by any scanner, once you install it. But it's pricey. |
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Debora
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| I use zonealarm and avast a/v. It has to be undetectable by either of those because what happens now is, I have tried to install about five different ones (uninstalling the previous before installing another of course) And as soon as the AV picks it up during install it sets it off, sirens going off etc...and after it's installed, the AV "finds" it again and sets off alarms, also at login when it starts it usually does the same. On limited accounts, the kgb one (and several others i've tried so far) that someone here recommended also will not start....and an error pops up and notifies the user that it didnt' start and identifies it's self. |
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Jamestaylor
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I use zonealarm and avast a/v. It has to be undetectable by either of those because what happens now is, I have tried to install about five different ones (uninstalling the previous before installing another of course) And as soon as the AV picks it up during install it sets it off, sirens going off etc...and after it's installed, the AV "finds" it again and sets off alarms, also at login when it starts it usually does the same. On limited accounts, the kgb one (and several others i've tried so far) that someone here recommended also will not start....and an error pops up and notifies the user that it didnt' start and identifies it's self.
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LOL, well at least it shows how good your security setup (AV and Limited account) is against keyloggers.
Hmm you need a keylogger that runs as a service, so it will run even on limited accounts. I don't suppose you could install KGB keylogger as an admin, and see if it monitors all accounts?
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drjekyll
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Why not just black that site? Whether your child likes the game or not is not germane. If you are concerned about what might be transpiring during gameplay, just block the site. |
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adkmom
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Why not just black that site? Whether your child likes the game or not is not germane. If you are concerned about what might be transpiring during gameplay, just block the site.
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I'll reply as to my own case:
This is a very entertaining game for my son. It requires a lot of creativity & his friends in town also play- so he gets to interact with them, as well. We live quite a way from town so it's a neat way for him to stay in touch with them over the summer. During our long & brutal winters- another nice diversion.
I have nothing against the game- I merely wish to do a "fly-by" every so often to be sure things are staying on-track. Kids are easily duped- especially by a savvy pedophile. A keylogger would be a handy thing to have to have a quick peek every so often.
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goretsky
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Hello,
One thing to keep in mind is software-based keyloggers typically either write to a computer's hard disk drive and/or periodically send the keystroke data via mail or other protocols to another computer on the network. If the hard disk drive were removed from the computer or erased, the keystroke data would no longer be available.
A hardware-based keylogger, particularly one installed inside the keyboard, might be a better choice for monitoring.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
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Jamestaylor
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Hello,
One thing to keep in mind is software-based keyloggers typically either write to a computer's hard disk drive and/or periodically send the keystroke data via mail or other protocols to another computer on the network. If the hard disk drive were removed from the computer or erased, the keystroke data would no longer be available.
A hardware-based keylogger, particularly one installed inside the keyboard, might be a better choice for monitoring.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
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Are we talking about monitoring some super hacker kid who knows as much if not more than goretsky? If so I'm afraid even harware based keylogger won't be enough, you might as well give up  |
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goretsky
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
Please keep in mind those who prey on children are devious and cunning. They will use any technology or edge they can to stay one step ahead of law enforcement.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
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