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seaeagle
Joined: Aug 31, 2004
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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 Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: Judge orders YouTube to hand over viewer access logs |
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Judge orders YouTube to hand over logs
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Dismissing privacy concerns, a US judge overseeing a $US1 billion ($A1.04 billion) copyright infringement lawsuit against YouTube has ordered the online video sharing service to disclose who watches which video clips and when.
US District Judge Louis Stanton authorised full access to the YouTube logs after Viacom and other copyright holders argued that they needed the data to show whether their copyright-protected videos are more heavily watched than amateur clips.
The data would not be publicly released but disclosed only to the plaintiffs, and it would include less specific identifiers than a user's real name or email address.
Lawyers for Google Inc, which owns YouTube, said producing 12 terabytes of data - equivalent to the text of roughly 12 million books - would be expensive, time consuming and a threat to users' privacy.
The database includes information on when each video gets played, which can be used to determine how often a clip is viewed. Attached to each entry is each viewer's unique login ID and the Internet Protocol, or IP, address for that viewer's computer. (continues) |
I guess its a timely reminder that almost everything we do on the Internet is recorded in a database somewhere. |
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BbWindowsHelpbB
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| yea.. But it doesnt seem really fair that they're just giving someone our private records (not like they have a choice though  ) |
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drwho07
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If you never saw the movie "1984", then you should go to a video store and request it. It's an eye opener! 
"Big Brother is Watching!" 
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seaeagle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| drwho07 wrote: |
If you never saw the movie "1984", then you should go to a video store and request it. It's an eye opener!
"Big Brother is Watching!"
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Yep - I studied the book in my final year of high school (in 1983 - just one year away from the time the story was set in). It's why I rally so hard against the increasing surveillance of society. In the story, changes had crept in so gradually that the people never really noticed just how much they were being monitored and their lives were being controlled until it was way too late to do anything about it. Most of the changes had been announced as measures to protect the population, and the people welcomed them (as many do now with the catch-cry "If you haven't done anything wrong....."). That's what I see happening today, and we can learn a lot from George Orwell's visions of where society might go when the population becomes compliant and submissive to government. |
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bern
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| seaeagle wrote: |
| drwho07 wrote: |
If you never saw the movie "1984", then you should go to a video store and request it. It's an eye opener!
"Big Brother is Watching!"
Doc |
Yep - I studied the book in my final year of high school (in 1983 ... That's what I see happening today, and we can learn a lot from George Orwell's visions of where society might go when the population becomes compliant and submissive to government. |
Then why do you seem to support (but not to the same extent as some others here) increased government intrusion into our lives in the form of paying for such things as medical care? When the government pays for things, they invariably exact a price, and here privacy loss is part of the price. In general, the less government does beyond the essential three functions of Military, Police, and Juciciary, the better. (Why those three? topic for another thread) |
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seaeagle
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| bern wrote: |
| seaeagle wrote: |
| drwho07 wrote: |
If you never saw the movie "1984", then you should go to a video store and request it. It's an eye opener!
"Big Brother is Watching!"
Doc |
Yep - I studied the book in my final year of high school (in 1983 ... That's what I see happening today, and we can learn a lot from George Orwell's visions of where society might go when the population becomes compliant and submissive to government. |
Then why do you seem to support (but not to the same extent as some others here) increased government intrusion into our lives in the form of paying for such things as medical care? When the government pays for things, they invariably exact a price, and here privacy loss is part of the price. In general, the less government does beyond the essential three functions of Military, Police, and Juciciary, the better. (Why those three? topic for another thread) |
I don't see how your argument relates to this at all. All our Medicare system does is reimburse for the cost of providing medical care, just like any other insurer. But the government doesn't approve my medical care - in fact, it can't access my medical records unless by court-order. Under our strict privacy laws, my medical privacy is probably a lot more protected than yours. It is extremely rare to ever see a person's medical records disclosed - it usually only happens in serious court proceedings where the medical records are pertinent to the case. |
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bern
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| seaeagle wrote: |
I don't see how your argument relates to this at all. All our Medicare system does is reimburse for the cost of providing medical care, just like any other insurer. But the government doesn't approve my medical care - in fact, it can't access my medical records unless by court-order. Under our strict privacy laws, my medical privacy is probably a lot more protected than yours. It is extremely rare to ever see a person's medical records disclosed - it usually only happens in serious court proceedings where the medical records are pertinent to the case. |
Are you saying that your government simply pays any bill of any provider no matter what size or for what without question or investigation or documentation? I find that inconceivable. |
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seaeagle
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| bern wrote: |
| Are you saying that your government simply pays any bill of any provider no matter what size or for what without question or investigation or documentation? I find that inconceivable. |
Pretty much so. The government trusts doctors to do the right thing. Medical records remain the property of the medical service provider. When attending the doctor, I sign a Medicare slip with my Medicare number on it to verify the doctor performed a consultation or whatever. If the doctor bulk-bills, he/she will send the slip to Medicare for reimbursement. Otherwise, I can pay the doctor and then take the receipt to Medicare for reimbursement.
The Health Insurance Commission monitors medical providers for over-servicing (based on the amount of claims they make and any other unusual patterns), and can launch investigations where the doctor has to prove the services provided were legitimate and required. But by and large, patient records are untouched - they are considered confidential and not for perusal by the authorities unless in exceptional circumstances. |
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Bearly1227
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| drwho07 wrote: |
If you never saw the movie "1984", then you should go to a video store and request it. It's an eye opener!
"Big Brother is Watching!"
Doc |
Yep, been there, done that!
Currently, I live in the boonies. Upon completion of the latest Super Walmart & Super Lowes, the four way intersection coming off the Interstate Hwy 190, there are mounted (over head) four cameras to "monitor" which vehicles are coming and going.
With the resolution of todays surveilance cameras they can see WHO is coming and going at will!!
Bob
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drwho07
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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And, with the new facial recognition technology the "Who" takes on a whole new meaning. Now they can add a name to the face in the camera 
Here in FL. new cameras are going up somewhere every day.
Orlando is installing cameras at intersections to catch red light runners.
Many stores have cameras outside to catch the face of every person coming out of the store, just in case one of them just robbed the store.
And, many parking lots have cameras, to bear witness to anyone robbing cars.
Big Brother IS watching. 
Doc |
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davolente
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: Big brother [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Big brother may be watching but just who is watching big brother?
We're all living on the same planet, for goodness sake! This mentality that has grown up of "us and them" is ridiculous. It should just be "us" - All of us, together, for the good of everybody!
No doubt you will recognise me as being in the UK and it is reputed that we have the greatest number of CCTV cameras per person of any country in the world. They are springing up everywhere, even to the extent of number plate recognition ("licence plate" to our friends across the pond!) specialised cameras being installed on main roads into major towns, Again - who is watching the watchers? With our government forging ahead with the useless ID card scheme (which I strongly object to) I do not like the way things are shaping up.
On a similar theme, any comments on the arrest of a UK MP and the police raid on his House Of Commons office and home? Just one follow up article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5251895.ece |
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Gezzer
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Big brother [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| davolente wrote: |
Big brother may be watching but just who is watching big brother?
We're all living on the same planet, for goodness sake! This mentality that has grown up of "us and them" is ridiculous. It should just be "us" - All of us, together, for the good of everybody!
No doubt you will recognise me as being in the UK and it is reputed that we have the greatest number of CCTV cameras per person of any country in the world. They are springing up everywhere, even to the extent of number plate recognition ("licence plate" to our friends across the pond!) specialised cameras being installed on main roads into major towns, Again - who is watching the watchers? With our government forging ahead with the useless ID card scheme (which I strongly object to) I do not like the way things are shaping up.
On a similar theme, any comments on the arrest of a UK MP and the police raid on his House Of Commons office and home? Just one follow up article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5251895.ece |
that article portrays and forebodes a very sad day for democracy in the UK … |
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bern
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Big brother [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| davolente wrote: |
| We're all living on the same planet, for goodness sake! This mentality that has grown up of "us and them" is ridiculous. It should just be "us" - All of us, together, for the good of everybody! |
Wonderful sentiment. Please convince the Mumbai terrorists, and I too will be convinced. |
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