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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:40 pm    Post subject:
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So why doesn't Dell, HP, Compaq or Gateway offer a PC with a different operating system?

Because they are in cahoots with Microsoft. Wink

Maybe but then is that Microsoft's fault? Why not go after the manufacturers for not offering a choice?

Like I said you just like to argue. Wink

I just don't believe that MS is a monopoly. Microsoft has gotten to the position it is in by practicing capitalism and now they are getting punished for it. We don't limit what options a car company can put in their cars so why should we do that to a software maker?

Now I hear rumblings from people about Google becoming a monopoly...

Why did Judge Green Break up AT&T back in 1983-4. Because it was a monopoly. Wink
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Why did Judge Green Break up AT&T back in 1983-4. Because it was a monopoly. Wink

In that case yes they were. They had a stranglehold on phones and the lines. You couldn't even buy your own phone, you had to rent it from them. But Microsoft is a different beast. If there was no Apple, Unix or Linux I would say yes they are a monopoly but there have always been choices. If Jobs had been smart he would have let other manufacturers use the OS on their machines and Apple probably would be the dominant OS on the market instead of Microsoft.
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Why did Judge Green Break up AT&T back in 1983-4. Because it was a monopoly. Wink

In that case yes they were. They had a stranglehold on phones and the lines. You couldn't even buy your own phone, you had to rent it from them. But Microsoft is a different beast. If there was no Apple, Unix or Linux I would say yes they are a monopoly but there have always been choices. If Jobs had been smart he would have let other manufacturers use the OS on their machines and Apple probably would be the dominant OS on the market instead of Microsoft.

Well today you cannot walk into a Best Buy, Circuit City, Staples, Office Max or any retail outlet and purchase a PC with Unix on it. No if IBM would have been smart there would not be a Microsoft today. :blink:
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Well today you cannot walk into a Best Buy, Circuit City, Staples, Office Max or any retail outlet and purchase a PC with Unix on it. No if IBM would have been smart there would not be a Microsoft today. :blink:

But that's the fault of the manufacturers, not MS. I think we agree that we disagree on this one. Wink
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Well today you cannot walk into a Best Buy, Circuit City, Staples, Office Max or any retail outlet and purchase a PC with Unix on it. No if IBM would have been smart there would not be a Microsoft today.  :blink:

But that's the fault of the manufacturers, not MS. I think we agree that we disagree on this one. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:56 am    Post subject:
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If Microsoft Internet Explorer was not included with the operating system, I think it would still have a majority share of the web browser market because people either downloaded it from Microsoft's web site or obtained it on a disc from Microsoft.

Microsoft Windows XP includes lots of programs which once were sold separately: a word processor (WordPad), telnet program, disk defragmenter and disk snapshot (System Restore) programs. I remember paying $199.00USD for a TCP/IP stack and some simple network apps (ftp, ping, telnet, traceroute and so forth) to use with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and being happy I paid so little. If Microsoft chooses to add value to their operating system by adding functionality they should be allowed to do so.

On the other hand, consumers should have the right to use whatever applications they choose under the operating system. As far as I know, Microsoft has done nothing to prevent Corel WordPerfect, Softronics Softerm, Executive Software Diskeeper or Symantec GoBack from running under Microsoft XP.

A quick search of Dell's, [url=http://www.gateway.com/work/solutions/osmigration/index.asp?seg=sb&?cmpid=biz*SMB_server_catelog*right_column*OS_migration*work/products/sb_swh_catalog~~shtml#SLM]Gateway[/url]'s and Hewlett Packard's (Hewlett Packard acquired Compaq) web sites found they all sell computers with Linux or sell the operating system. Gateway even offers business consulting services to migrate your systems from Windows to Linux. While most of the big box and office supply superstores you mentioned don't seem to sell computers running Linux, Staples does, as does this popular retailer.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:43 am    Post subject:
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If Microsoft Internet Explorer was not included with the operating system, I think it would still have a majority share of the web browser market because people either downloaded it from Microsoft's web site or obtained it on a disc from Microsoft.

Microsoft Windows XP includes lots of programs which once were sold separately: a word processor (WordPad), telnet program, disk defragmenter and disk snapshot (System Restore) programs. I remember paying $199.00USD for a TCP/IP stack and some simple network apps (ftp, ping, telnet, traceroute and so forth) to use with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and being happy I paid so little. If Microsoft chooses to add value to their operating system by adding functionality they should be allowed to do so.

On the other hand, consumers should have the right to use whatever applications they choose under the operating system. As far as I know, Microsoft has done nothing to prevent Corel WordPerfect, Softronics Softerm, Executive Software Diskeeper or Symantec GoBack from running under Microsoft XP.

A quick search of Dell's, [url=http://www.gateway.com/work/solutions/osmigration/index.asp?seg=sb&?cmpid=biz*SMB_server_catelog*right_column*OS_migration*work/products/sb_swh_catalog~~shtml#SLM]Gateway[/url]'s and Hewlett Packard's (Hewlett Packard acquired Compaq) web sites found they all sell computers with Linux or sell the operating system. Gateway even offers business consulting services to migrate your systems from Windows to Linux. While most of the big box and office supply superstores you mentioned don't seem to sell computers running Linux, Staples does, as does this popular retailer.


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Aryeh Goretsky

A consumer should also have the right of removing Microsoft applications. Try to remove Windows Media 10. It takes a reformat and a re-install. I believe that I mentioned a few pots back about Wal Mart selling machines with Linux. Sure one can easily surf to a manufacturers website and find a machine with Linux on it. That is if you have access to a PC. The people that frequent these outlets normally do not.
IMHO the only reason anyone would download IE is that they are brainwashed into believing that if Microsoft puts it out it must be great.

And for most of these users it more than likely is as they will use AOL anyway for the same reasons. But the reasons for that belong in a separate thread. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject:
Interesting Article on M$
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So when are you switching to Linux there Sip? Laughing Laughing Laughing Wink
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Interesting Article on M$

So when are you switching to Linux there Sip? Laughing Laughing Laughing Wink

I am downloading it now. Wink
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Interesting Article on M$

So when are you switching to Linux there Sip? Laughing Laughing Laughing Wink

I am downloading it now. Wink

LOL! I have it on my older machine. It's been frustrating trying to learn how to do things in it.
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Interesting Article on M$

So when are you switching to Linux there Sip? Laughing Laughing Laughing Wink

I am downloading it now. Wink

LOL! I have it on my older machine. It's been frustrating trying to learn how to do things in it.

You outh to try Unix. It is a bundle of Joy. Wink Laughing Laughing
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You outh to try Unix. It is a bundle of Joy. Wink Laughing Laughing

I have. It's a pain the arse for sure.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:43 am    Post subject:
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I believe you can uninstall Microsoft Windows Media Player 10 from the Add or Remove Programs applet (filename: APPWIZ.CPL) in the Control Panel. It is located in the Add/Remove Windows Components section towards the bottom and not the Change or Remove Programs section at the top, though.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject:
Here you go Sip microsoft talking about Windows Server 2003 64bit
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The availability of the operating systems comes long after the processors shipped. Microsoft has said it will offer a swap program for Windows Server 2003 that will let owners of systems with the AMD and Intel processors trade their current server operating system product for a version that supports the 64-bit systems at no additional cost.
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119878,tk,dn030305X,00.asp

Did you read that part no additional cost. WOW, if you spend $969.53 you get a free upgrade... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Gee thanks what about all those people who bought the AMD or Intel 64 bit systems for Windows XP 64 bit do they get the same deal????
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject:
I find it almost physically painful to defend Microsoft. My list of what I hate about Windows OS and MS' apps is so long I'd have to buy a paper factory to write it all down. I'd say that it was 100% wrong in basic design and concept, from the start. EXCEPT, I can remember some of the stuff that was around before Microsoft came along. And IE works!
People can get on the net, see web sites, download files etc. out of the box.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:07 pm    Post subject:
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I believe you can uninstall Microsoft Windows Media Player 10 from the Add or Remove Programs applet (filename: APPWIZ.CPL) in the Control Panel. It is located in the Add/Remove Windows Components section towards the bottom and not the Change or Remove Programs section at the top, though.

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Aryeh Goretsky

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not there. It does show up in the Remove Windows components section and when you remove it and try to install Wimp 9.0 , you receive a warning message that a newer version exits on your macine and the install is aborted.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject:
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That's strange, it is there on my computer. I wonder what the difference could be.

If you click on Help -> About Windows Media Player from the main menu of Microsoft Windows Media Player 10 what does it report for the version number?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:15 am    Post subject:
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That's strange, it is there on my computer. I wonder what the difference could be.

If you click on Help -> About Windows Media Player from the main menu of Microsoft Windows Media Player 10 what does it report for the version number?

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Aryeh Goretsky

The version number is 10.00.00.3802
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:13 pm    Post subject:
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Gee thanks what about all those people who bought the AMD or Intel 64 bit systems for Windows XP 64 bit do they get the same deal????

Word has it that if you have purchased XP Pro, the upgrade to 64 bit will be free, Microsoft has already supplied me the link for the download of the beta RC, to be available in april, the full version estimate was Sept. I believe. This was the link for signup, http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/e...on/upgrade.mspx apparently it was a limited offer, and all slots are filled.
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