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Fastway
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mommabear
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Fastway, assuming you are using Windows, there are these two extensions to make switching from IE and Firefox easier to do.
Adds "View page in Internet Explorer" links to the content and link context menu. Handy for previewing pages in IE, loading up IE-only pages when you run across them in Mozilla, etc.
http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?s...ic=50&hl=ieview
Open Firefox with the current page or a selected link displayed in Internet Explorer.
Adds "View in Firefox" menu items to the content and link context menus.
Useful when you have started your browsing session in Internet Explorer by mistake 
Intended for the MS Windows platform.
http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?s...&hl=firefoxview |
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goretsky
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Hello,
I suspect so.
As it is, having a ~90% marketshare (or even slightly higher) is not exactly what I would call a minority position.
The fact is, Microsoft is very good at distributing software. When 'Longhorn' does come out, I expect to see rapid adoption, partially due to people wanting to have latest technology.
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Hello,
I suspect so.
As it is, having a ~90% marketshare (or even slightly higher) is not exactly what I would call a minority position.
The fact is, Microsoft is very good at distributing software. When 'Longhorn' does come out, I expect to see rapid adoption, partially due to people wanting to have latest technology.
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Aryeh Goretsky |
It couldn't be that Microsoft is a monopoly now could it???? |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| IE will lose a few more % points but I don't see it losing it's majority status. |
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| IE will lose a few more % points but I don't see it losing it's majority status. |
Not untill the Government breaks up Microsoft like they did AT&T in 1984 for being a monopoly. If IE did not come with every OS M$ sold over the years do you think it would have the market share it does today? |
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Fastway
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Whew that is a big question if I had to download IE to be able to surf...Or I could have downloaded Netscape or used AOL or the others I can't quite remember..oh ya CompuServe is one...
I would be willing to bet that more people would be using AOL, it would be the easiest install package, the browser and service all in one CD...
I bet I would still be using Netscape, I used to love Netscape over IE till Netscape 4.7ish build then they seemed to basically stop building and then IE took off like a rocket. I joined the IE crowd and never looked back, ok that was at least till spyware became a bad word then I jumped ship as fast as I could and grabbed Netscape oops firefox again...Now I am happy again...  |
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goretsky
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Hello,
I do not think I understand your question. The U.S. Department of Justice's Finding of Fact is fairly clear--if not exciting--reading, and the last joint status report was filed in January.
I have worked for companies which competed against Microsoft and won--that is, Microsoft ceased providing their version of the product and we continued to provide ours (as did our other mutual competiros). We weren't bigger than Microsoft, but we did out-innovate them and kept our distribution costs very low. It is possible to meet Microsoft on a level, or even mostly-level, playing field and successfully compete with them.
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Hello,
I do not think I understand your question. The U.S. Department of Justice's Finding of Fact is fairly clear--if not exciting--reading, and the last joint status report was filed in January.
I have worked for companies which competed against Microsoft and won--that is, Microsoft ceased providing their version of the product and we continued to provide ours (as did our other mutual competiros). We weren't bigger than Microsoft, but we did out-innovate them and kept our distribution costs very low. It is possible to meet Microsoft on a level, or even mostly-level, playing field and successfully compete with them.
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Aryeh Goretsky |
I believe that I was quite clear. If IE did not come bundled with every OS Microsoft put out, would it have the market share it does today? In my opinion if you go to say Best Buy and purchase a PC, you should have a choice of which OS you want on it. You don't, it comes with M$ Windows whether you want it or not. To me this is an unfair business practice and M$ is a monopoly. The only reason IE has the market share it does is due to the bundling of it with every OS M$ sells. If users had to download it, or buy it seperately, do you really believe it would have the market share that it does? |
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Sgt Schultz
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| There is nothing stopping a computer maker from offering Linux or some other operating system when they sell a computer. That they don't offer a choice is up to them. Plus there has always been Apple as an alternative. I also believe it's wrong to tell Microsoft what they can and can't put in their OS, just as it would be wrong to tell Apple or anyone of the Linux distributors out there what they could/couldn't add in the OS. |
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silmaril8n
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Wrong to add it in? Probably not.
Wrong to not be able to uninstall it? Definitely. |
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| There is nothing stopping a computer maker from offering Linux or some other operating system when they sell a computer. That they don't offer a choice is up to them. Plus there has always been Apple as an alternative. I also believe it's wrong to tell Microsoft what they can and can't put in their OS, just as it would be wrong to tell Apple or anyone of the Linux distributors out there what they could/couldn't add in the OS. |
The point is that the consumer has that buys their machines from retail outlets such as Best Buy and the like have NO CHOICE. |
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Sgt Schultz
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| The point is that the consumer has that buys their machines from retail outlets such as Best Buy and the like have NO CHOICE. |
They can always shop somewhere else.
The people who buy from those stores just want to go home, open up the box, plug it in and get on the web. They could care less what OS is on the machine as long as it runs. |
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| The point is that the consumer has that buys their machines from retail outlets such as Best Buy and the like have NO CHOICE. |
They can always shop somewhere else.
The people who buy from those stores just want to go home, open up the box, plug it in and get on the web. They could care less what OS is on the machine as long as it runs. |
That is monopolistic. Consumers should have a choice. This is America. Where else can you shop? If you purchase a PC with a Compaq, HP or Dell or Gateway it is going to come with Windows. You do have a choice between Xp Pro or Home. The only way to get a PC without Windows is to build your own. I heard that Walmart was selling some barebones unit with Linux on it but I don't know if that is still available.
Microsoft is a monopoly. Plain and simple. |
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Sgt Schultz
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| So why doesn't Dell, HP, Compaq or Gateway offer a PC with a different operating system? |
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| So why doesn't Dell, HP, Compaq or Gateway offer a PC with a different operating system? |
Because they are in cahoots with Microsoft. |
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Because they are in cahoots with Microsoft. |
Maybe but then is that Microsoft's fault? Why not go after the manufacturers for not offering a choice? |
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| So why doesn't Dell, HP, Compaq or Gateway offer a PC with a different operating system? |
Because they are in cahoots with Microsoft. |
Maybe but then is that Microsoft's fault? Why not go after the manufacturers for not offering a choice? |
Like I said you just like to argue. |
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Because they are in cahoots with Microsoft. |
Maybe but then is that Microsoft's fault? Why not go after the manufacturers for not offering a choice? |
Like I said you just like to argue. |
I just don't believe that MS is a monopoly. Microsoft has gotten to the position it is in by practicing capitalism and now they are getting punished for it. We don't limit what options a car company can put in their cars so why should we do that to a software maker?
Now I hear rumblings from people about Google becoming a monopoly... |
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