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ejward
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 Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: Inauguration rant |
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| I've been spending the past week or so jumping through hoops to setup streaming video, DTV, HDTV, etc to broadcast the inauguration for all of the buildings at work. It was supposed to be "Hey, they'll be a few TVs setup. Check it out if you want". Now it's turned into serving cake, special "Presidential food", and a commemorative Barack Obama puzzle. That's right, we're custom making special puzzles. God knows what "Presidential food" consists of. I'm sure there's a joke there.
Funny, I don't remember going through all of this trouble for the Bush inauguration. In fact, it was no trouble at all. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!.
Remember when we had a recent discussion about sucking it up and doing something your employer asks you to do that you are morally opposed to? It's not on the scale of what we were talking about but, I've got to tell you, I've really got a problem with this. Even though I support Obama, I voted for Obama, and I'm going to watch it, isn't this just wrong? I know that more of our executives gave to Obama than McCain. But this is just so in your face support.
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tony7914
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Inauguration rant [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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I've been spending the past week or so jumping through hoops to setup streaming video, DTV, HDTV, etc to broadcast the inauguration for all of the buildings at work. It was supposed to be "Hey, they'll be a few TVs setup. Check it out if you want". Now it's turned into serving cake, special "Presidential food", and a commemorative Barack Obama puzzle. That's right, we're custom making special puzzles. God knows what "Presidential food" consists of. I'm sure there's a joke there.
Funny, I don't remember going through all of this trouble for the Bush inauguration. In fact, it was no trouble at all. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!.
Remember when we had a recent discussion about sucking it up and doing something your employer asks you to do that you are morally opposed to? It's not on the scale of what we were talking about but, I've got to tell you, I've really got a problem with this. Even though I support Obama, I voted for Obama, and I'm going to watch it, isn't this just wrong? I know that more of our executives gave to Obama than McCain. But this is just so in your face support. |
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CowpokeBob
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| Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Inauguration rant [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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I've been spending the past week or so jumping through hoops to setup streaming video, DTV, HDTV, etc to broadcast the inauguration for all of the buildings at work. It was supposed to be "Hey, they'll be a few TVs setup. Check it out if you want". Now it's turned into serving cake, special "Presidential food", and a commemorative Barack Obama puzzle. That's right, we're custom making special puzzles. God knows what "Presidential food" consists of. I'm sure there's a joke there.
Funny, I don't remember going through all of this trouble for the Bush inauguration. In fact, it was no trouble at all. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!.
Remember when we had a recent discussion about sucking it up and doing something your employer asks you to do that you are morally opposed to? It's not on the scale of what we were talking about but, I've got to tell you, I've really got a problem with this. Even though I support Obama, I voted for Obama, and I'm going to watch it, isn't this just wrong? I know that more of our executives gave to Obama than McCain. But this is just so in your face support. |
Lol, and so it begins... Welcome to our reality EJ. I'm afraid it's a little too late for epiphany's though. Just sit back and enjoy the coronation. It's bound to be one of the better free shows around (if you call $150+ million free or watching your freedoms about to get flushed a show) and you likely won't be enjoying much else in the coming year(s) so you might as well go with the flow. I don't plan on watching the circus myself. Gonna be working since they haven't declared Barrack Ascension Day a national holiday (yet). |
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mommabear
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Inauguration rant [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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I've been spending the past week or so jumping through hoops to setup streaming video, DTV, HDTV, etc to broadcast the inauguration for all of the buildings at work. It was supposed to be "Hey, they'll be a few TVs setup. Check it out if you want". Now it's turned into serving cake, special "Presidential food", and a commemorative Barack Obama puzzle. That's right, we're custom making special puzzles. God knows what "Presidential food" consists of. I'm sure there's a joke there.
Funny, I don't remember going through all of this trouble for the Bush inauguration. In fact, it was no trouble at all. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!.
Remember when we had a recent discussion about sucking it up and doing something your employer asks you to do that you are morally opposed to? It's not on the scale of what we were talking about but, I've got to tell you, I've really got a problem with this. Even though I support Obama, I voted for Obama, and I'm going to watch it, isn't this just wrong? I know that more of our executives gave to Obama than McCain. But this is just so in your face support. |
I have to agree that a lot of this is over-kill. But then I can also see how it can happen. Politics, blame games, and main-stream criticisms aside, let's just consider what might be going on in terms of the National psyche. Whether you voted for Obama or not:
First off, there is the big one. An election of the first Black President. So naturally the celebrations and special events are going to be bigger than ever.
Most of the last 8 years have been under the cloud of 9/11 and a couple of wars, and lots of scandals of one kind or another... political and non-political. Sprinkle in the economic decline and subsequent crash a few months ago.
I think "we" are just ready for a Big Party. "We" know it's not going to solve anything, and the day after we'll be right back facing the same problems and fighting amongst ourselves. But for just one day, I think "we" just wanna have fun. We deserve it, don't you think? |
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ejward
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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I was out yesterday so today I went into the cafeteria to see how they made out with setting up TV's, there was a poster on the wall behind the largest TV. it went something like this:
1965 ....
Malcolm X shot
Riots .....
March on Washington
Civil rights act....
I couldn't see the rest because the TV was in front of it. i was thinking "Oh, this is not a political thing, it's a racial thing. I'm not sure that makes it better"
Come to find out. They had a retirement party yesterday for someone who started in 1965. i guess they had other 1965 posters up with top 10 movies, top 10 songs, cost of things, etc. They had not taken that one down because the TV was in the way. it was pretty funny. |
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CowpokeBob
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I think "we" are just ready for a Big Party. "We" know it's not going to solve anything, and the day after we'll be right back facing the same problems and fighting amongst ourselves. But for just one day, I think "we" just wanna have fun. We deserve it, don't you think? |
Umm, not really but enjoy it anyhow. I just hope the country can survive the hangover. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Inauguration rant [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I think "we" are just ready for a Big Party. "We" know it's not going to solve anything, and the day after we'll be right back facing the same problems and fighting amongst ourselves. But for just one day, I think "we" just wanna have fun. We deserve it, don't you think? |
You may think you do, and that's fine. The half of the country that didn't vote for Obama feels like you did about Bush. You may be happy to see him gone and your guy in, but don't forget that 1/2 of us can't say the same thing.
I also find it hypocritical to have a bunch of huge, expensive parties when we are facing two wars and "the biggest recession since the Great Depression", when 4 years ago "your side" was whining about Bush having a less expensive inauguration, and he didn't have a recession. Why is it different for "your side"? |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Inauguration rant [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I think "we" are just ready for a Big Party. "We" know it's not going to solve anything, and the day after we'll be right back facing the same problems and fighting amongst ourselves. But for just one day, I think "we" just wanna have fun. We deserve it, don't you think? |
You may think you do, and that's fine. The half of the country that didn't vote for Obama feels like you did about Bush. You may be happy to see him gone and your guy in, but don't forget that 1/2 of us can't say the same thing.
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So you think it's that black and white? That the people that voted for McCain all hate Obama? I don't think so. I think there are a lot of people that had a hard time choosing and just voted for either McCain or Obama as the lesser of two evils.
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I also find it hypocritical to have a bunch of huge, expensive parties when we are facing two wars and "the biggest recession since the Great Depression", when 4 years ago "your side" was whining about Bush having a less expensive inauguration, and he didn't have a recession. Why is it different for "your side"?
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I don't recall anyone complaining about how much was spent on the Bush inauguration. Most of the money comes from private sources anyway.
Bush's last inauguration cost $40 million. Obama is costing $35 Million .... I'm sure it'll be up to $40 million when it's all done. If you're outraged at Obama, why no outrage at Bush? |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Inauguration rant [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I think "we" are just ready for a Big Party. "We" know it's not going to solve anything, and the day after we'll be right back facing the same problems and fighting amongst ourselves. But for just one day, I think "we" just wanna have fun. We deserve it, don't you think? |
You may think you do, and that's fine. The half of the country that didn't vote for Obama feels like you did about Bush. You may be happy to see him gone and your guy in, but don't forget that 1/2 of us can't say the same thing.
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So you think it's that black and white? That the people that voted for McCain all hate Obama? I don't think so. I think there are a lot of people that had a hard time choosing and just voted for either McCain or Obama as the lesser of two evils. |
I'm glad to see you finally admit you hate Bush. But that's not what I meant, and I think you know it. I said that the 1/2 that didn't vote for Obama aren't happy to see him in office, and ready for a party to celebrate getting rid of Bush.
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I also find it hypocritical to have a bunch of huge, expensive parties when we are facing two wars and "the biggest recession since the Great Depression", when 4 years ago "your side" was whining about Bush having a less expensive inauguration, and he didn't have a recession. Why is it different for "your side"?
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I don't recall anyone complaining about how much was spent on the Bush inauguration. Most of the money comes from private sources anyway.
Bush's last inauguration cost $40 million. Obama is costing $35 Million .... I'm sure it'll be up to $40 million when it's all done. If you're outraged at Obama, why no outrage at Bush? |
You must not be paying attention.
First, Obama's inauguration, not including all the extra security costs (which are HUGE) is still at least $45 million - more than Bush's by at least $5 million. Some estimates even say it will be $150 million!
Second, Bush was roundly slammed for his inauguration costs, but Obama's costs are a "deserved party".
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2009/01/16/nyts-inauguration-...ocrisy-
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2009/01/16/mrcs-bozell-slams-ap-...h-vs-ob
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/01/15/fox-friends-hosts...te-aps-
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2009/01/15/media-reality-check...dia-s-i
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2009/01/14/ap-slammed-bush-s-e...avagant |
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mommabear
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Inauguration rant [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| mommabear wrote: |
| I think "we" are just ready for a Big Party. "We" know it's not going to solve anything, and the day after we'll be right back facing the same problems and fighting amongst ourselves. But for just one day, I think "we" just wanna have fun. We deserve it, don't you think? |
You may think you do, and that's fine. The half of the country that didn't vote for Obama feels like you did about Bush. You may be happy to see him gone and your guy in, but don't forget that 1/2 of us can't say the same thing.
I also find it hypocritical to have a bunch of huge, expensive parties when we are facing two wars and "the biggest recession since the Great Depression", when 4 years ago "your side" was whining about Bush having a less expensive inauguration, and he didn't have a recession. Why is it different for "your side"? |
People historically gripe about the cost of inaugurations. And then there's this from your first NewsBusters link:
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I didn't bother to read any of the rest of your links. There are more important things than the cost of the Inauguration going on here.
So far, 75% of the country is satisfied with how Obama is building his Administration and what he plans to do. That leaves 25% who are apparently unhappy. I would venture a guess that most of that 25% is the Republican/Conservative base who wouldn't be happy regardless of what Obama does. Unless he screws up. I'm sure that would make them happy. In the past, the same could be said of the liberal base too.
The bottom line is you don't want Obama as President. Understandable. A lot of us weren't happy with Bush and the Republicans. But your rage is based on about 8 weeks of the prospect of an Obama Presidency. Our rage had 8 years to grow, exponentially, based on the conduct and actions of Bush's Presidency.
This kind of division is exactly what Obama is trying to heal. You feel excluded before he's even done anything to make you feel excluded. He is extending his hand to everyone, even you.
All you have to do is suspend your cynicism for awhile. If he doesn't live up to your expectations, then you can complain all you want. I don't expect to be pleased with everything he does. I know he'll have to reach across the aisle and give the Republicans some things I won't like in order to get things done. I expect he'll make some mistakes. He's got a big job ahead. But if you want to continue doing nothing but posting all the negative articles and comments you can find from those 25%, before there's any proof in the pudding, as they say, then knock yourself out. You're only hurting yourself. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I'm glad to see you finally admit you hate Bush. But that's not what I meant, and I think you know it. I said that the 1/2 that didn't vote for Obama aren't happy to see him in office, and ready for a party to celebrate getting rid of Bush. |
I used the term "hate Bush" because it tends to be what you call everyone that finds anything negative to say about the administration over the past few years. Because of this, I'm sure you won't mind people here catagorizing you an Obama hater.
I'm not sure how you can claim to represent half the people in the United States. I know a few people that voted for McCain and are quite happy with what Obama has been doing so far. Not everyone shares your views.
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First, Obama's inauguration, not including all the extra security costs (which are HUGE) is still at least $45 million - more than Bush's by at least $5 million. Some estimates even say it will be $150 million!
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Bush's inauguration had about 400,000 people. They're expecting almost 2 million at Obama's. More people = more security = more money. With Bush's inauguration costing $40 million and Obama having more that 4 times as many people, and the cost of everything going up, even $150 million is proportionally LESS than Bush's isn't it? So $45 million is a bargain. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Inauguration rant [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| The bottom line is you don't want Obama as President. Understandable. A lot of us weren't happy with Bush and the Republicans. But your rage is based on about 8 weeks of the prospect of an Obama Presidency. Our rage had 8 years to grow, exponentially, based on the conduct and actions of Bush's Presidency. |
Bull, Mommabear. Bush was hated from day one - or are you forgetting "Selected not Elected", and so on. Bush tried to reach across the aisle, and was slapped for it. The only time Democrats sided with him was immediately after 9/11. But within a year, it was back to partisan attacks at every turn.
Also, you assume too much when you say I have "rage". I'm not even angry with Obama. He's just not the person I feel is best to lead this country.
The only "anger" I feel is against people, bluntly, like you who screamed at me and people who think like I do for years, who called Bush and Republicans evil, Hitler, Nazis, idiots, etc., but now expect us to just forget all of that and "just get along". We tried to get you to stop, and you refused, but now I'm just supposed to forget all the hatred spewed in my direction, just because you're happy now?
This is the definition of hypocrisy. You still can't even admit that the Democrats are doing the exact same things, and WORSE, than the "evil" Republicans did when they were in power, but I'm just supposed to ignore it all and bend over. Don't hold your breath.
I'm also not surprised that you ignore all the evidence against you. I wouldn't want to read about how hypocritical your side is if I were on it, either. |
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CowpokeBob
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Well okay. i'm not as even tempered as Xavierx so let me say right off hand so there is no mistake that I do not like Obama. I've said this many times and made no secret of it but i would like to add a little background. I didn't start out disliking him. Truth be known I was actually an Obama supporter early on at the beginning. Its easy to be cause he says all the right things and his carefully orchestrated appearances are designed to lull you into a favorable attitude. But as time went on fact about the man started to emerge and I was able to watch how he handled himself during the issues that arose I started to see what he was really all about and my opinion evolved. Today I am quite convinced that Obama is a consumate and very talented con artist, and that we are all in deep trouble (not my first choice of words). I'll make you a small prediction. Very soon, perhaps before the Coranation week is out, you will see Obama sign executive orders as part of his campaign of change. These orders will be called necessary, vital, and a lot of other meaningless things and will be just about as meaningless in the great scheme of things or the present crises. Just a continuation of the smoke and mirrors propaganda he's been spoon feeding the public all along. Soon after, perhaps within the first 100 days I would say, we will begin to see the real Obama emerge. We'll still see plenty of those "arranged" events because there's an election to be had in 2012 but the picture of who Obama really is should start to emerge. Its gonna be fun to watch the reaction when it does cause I don't think many of the Obamites are going to be happy with it. We've seen a bit of that already.
EJ I realize you live in a bastion of liberal well-being and goodness so I feel badly for that couple of people you say you know that don't like Obama. Come down my way and I'd be happy to introduce you to droves of Obama dissenters. MB, I don't know where your getting that 25% figure from, probably something put out by the Obama propaganda machine, but it doesn't matter. The fact remains that half the voting population didn't vote for your Savior. I take issue with the Obama hater title but if you wish to apply it to me thats fine. But take note that I have supported Obama in this forum in the past on those admittedly few occasions when I felt he made the right choice dispite my opinion of him. Something many of you cannot claim with Bush having only grudgingly admitted Bush did something right on those very few occasions when the burden of proof became too much to deny it any more. Lastly please don't try to label me as a Republican. They're as worthless as the Democrats, perhaps worse since many republicans claim to be conservatives. I am neither Republican, Democrat, Independent, or a part of any other party. I am a conservative independent (means I can make my own decisions regardless of any party platform or affiliation).
So to sum things up, yes, I will not be taking part in or viewing the Circus that is to be the coronation of the Annointed One on Tuesday. Or any of the events leading up to it that have already started. It is not a joyous occasion for me from my point of view but a sad day for my country. And no I don't want him as my president though I will support him in so far as I must as he will soon represent my country like it or not and for the sake of our troops who deserve better. No, I will not meekly line up behind his agenda nor will I support his very liberal and in my opinion disasterous plans for my country. Now cut this and save it somewhere and you won't have to wonder at my point of view any more as I point out what Obama does wrong over the next 4 years. |
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xavierx
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I supported Obama in the beginning, too. I thought he would be better than McCain, but the more I heard from Obama, and the more I learned about him, the more I was convinced that, like CowpokeBob said, he's just another con-man (AKA, politician).
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| But take note that I have supported Obama in this forum in the past on those admittedly few occasions when I felt he made the right choice dispite my opinion of him. Something many of you cannot claim with Bush having only grudgingly admitted Bush did something right on those very few occasions when the burden of proof became too much to deny it any more. |
There are several here who can't even say that much. I've asked on several occasions for them to name any one thing Bush did that they agreed with, or thought that he did well, or was right about, and "Nothing" back as a response (usually with a lot of explanation and hedging).
Unlike the left (and many of the "independents") here in this forum, I don't have to hate a person to think that his ideas are wrong. |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Unlike the left (and many of the "independents") here in this forum, I don't have to hate a person to think that his ideas are wrong. |
Neither do I but that never stopped you from calling or insinuating that we are and have been. It's quite easy to read between the lines. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:42 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Unlike the left (and many of the "independents") here in this forum, I don't have to hate a person to think that his ideas are wrong. |
Neither do I but that never stopped you from calling or insinuating that we are and have been. It's quite easy to read between the lines. |
If you feel that it applies to you, fine. I think you know who I think it applies to, and you're not generally one of them. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I'll make you a small prediction. Very soon, perhaps before the Coranation week is out, you will see Obama sign executive orders as part of his campaign of change. These orders will be called necessary, vital, and a lot of other meaningless things and will be just about as meaningless in the great scheme of things or the present crises. Just a continuation of the smoke and mirrors propaganda he's been spoon feeding the public all along. |
Wow, great prediction !! Do you mean like the executive orders and signing statements that Bush has been using? But, this time it will be wrong to do because it's Obama, right? Because it's not "change", right? Because Bush really didn't veto anything, Obama should veto everything or it's not "Change", right?
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I'm not sure what this even means. I know people who voted for McCain because Obama is black.
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| take issue with the Obama hater title but if you wish to apply it to me thats fine. But take note that I have supported Obama in this forum in the past on those admittedly few occasions when I felt he made the right choice dispite my opinion of him. Something many of you cannot claim with Bush having only grudgingly admitted Bush did something right on those very few occasions when the burden of proof became too much to deny it any more. |
So whenever someone else points out something good that Bush does, it's only "grudgingly" because the burden of proof was so great, but you praise Obama out of the goodness of your heart ........ nice. 
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I will be watching it at some point. Just like I watched Bush's, and Clinton's, and Bush's, and Regan's. And have watched every State of the Union address for a very long time. It's a patriotic duty thing with me. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:39 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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I supported Obama in the beginning, too. I thought he would be better than McCain, but the more I heard from Obama, and the more I learned about him, the more I was convinced that, like CowpokeBob said, he's just another con-man (AKA, politician).
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| But take note that I have supported Obama in this forum in the past on those admittedly few occasions when I felt he made the right choice dispite my opinion of him. Something many of you cannot claim with Bush having only grudgingly admitted Bush did something right on those very few occasions when the burden of proof became too much to deny it any more. |
There are several here who can't even say that much. I've asked on several occasions for them to name any one thing Bush did that they agreed with, or thought that he did well, or was right about, and "Nothing" back as a response (usually with a lot of explanation and hedging).
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i have answered that question on several ocasions. it seems like the question is asked, and i answer it every six months or so. i'll add one more to my list. I think he is doing far more in making this a smooth transition than any other President that I can remember. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I'm not sure what this even means. I know people who voted for McCain because Obama is black. |
My turn to question - I know people who voted for Obama because he's black. There is at least one in this forum who said so. And we've all seen the election results that showed that Obama's color had little or no impact to white voters, but had major impact to the "minority" vote. So what's your point? |
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ejward
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| xavierx wrote: |
| Unlike the left (and many of the "independents") here in this forum, I don't have to hate a person to think that his ideas are wrong. |
Neither do I but that never stopped you from calling or insinuating that we are and have been. It's quite easy to read between the lines. |
If you feel that it applies to you, fine. I think you know who I think it applies to, and you're not generally one of them. |
Again .... more reading between the lines needed. And you're the first to say "That's not what I meant and I think you know it" in your posts. |
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