HP computer Monitor wont always start

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

having some trouble with a CRT monitor its been working.
but its lately been staying off when the computer is started,
the monitor seems to have to be restarted by its self then it works.. checked the settings and everything is normal like its been for the last 2 to 3 years. and hirbernate is off. power settings are set to never turn off anything so its getting full use of all possible power,
montior works fine after the restart of the monitor.

but trouble sometimes come back after another reboot?
this computer has been on most the time and uses a screensaver so is it possible that it just caused the error from
heavy use of the monitor?

ive been through the web search engines and found nothing like this error, so i came here and am hoping some one here has had this or fixed this same error.

first off no the drivers were not updated,.

i've only had one other monitor go out on me and that did the normal thing image to a small white dot then black screen.

now thinking on the dust part. the televison set that went out on me had dust on the back of the tube copper wire circit board. when we dusted that off we found a crack in the board but the tv set did start up again but not very good.
( A MAJOR WARNNING TO ANYONE THAT THINKS THEY WILL TAKE THAT TUBE OUT OF THE CASE, DON'T UNLESS YOUR A CERTIFIED REPAIR MAN. THAT TUBE HOLDS TONS OF VOLTAGE EVEN AFTER THE POWER PLUG IS OUT FOR A DAY.)

Baby_Tux · Joined: Mar 06, 2007 Posts: 1242

Have you tried hooking that monitor to another computer to see what it does? & also hook a known good monitor to that computer? This will help narrow things down a bit.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

no can not do that it is a one desk top and one lap top house.
and now i just got a phone call saying the lap top is also having issues.

but the crt does work once you get it restarted after you have the computer started only things like sound mixers lock up?

this is a computer that gets used by a teenager for online games so the servers are maybe not the best ones used for the games? its the same one that has had troubles before like needed reformated just in the last 3 months. this teenager also gets on the lap top and plays them games when he was told not too. so you think anything coming from the games or game servers or game hackers that hide in them might be doing something?
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Baby_Tux · Joined: Mar 06, 2007 Posts: 1242

Well, assuming you mean the NB is doing the same thing..

two machines - same problems on both - teen using both - possible rouge game site visited by both. What does all this add up to, to you?

First thing I'd do is a thorough virus, trojan & malware scan. Then if that is OK, a hardware scan. If it proves to be virus ridden, then "Jr". needs to be taught what a rouge site is & to stay away from them. (actually wouldn't hurt if ALL users knew & stayed away)

But the troubleshooting method I said can still be done, just temp. swap with a friend or other family member long enough to check. The NB you COULD plug in an external to see if it does it on that but this probably will give a false result as it uses a different setup to run the external. (on the NB, I'd run virus AND hardware scans for sure)

BTW: if the game site is POGO it IS known for trojans & malware.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

have no idea what game server he plays through most the time she says he plays black hawk down. and other games like that.
but knowing that most of the servers are in hacker's homes, i can't get him to understand that and there is no way i can get him to stop playing the games, when he gets off the desktop, he takes the laptop out of his moms room and in to his and starts on that one with the games.

which by now i am almost convinced it really is coming from the game servers. she did get the laptop to boot by doing the last good config. option then she started cleaning and defraging it.

the registry had over 300 errors in it the desktop had over 1000 registry errors most she said were from the game server hotkeys.

he's just not caring about anyone he yells at his mom like she is a dog. i can't get him to stop that, since i am 1800 miles away but neither can his grandpa, not sure why but could be something due to his dad and mom divorcing when he was 4 to 6 months old? then his sister was just the same way, she is now out of high school he is still there but past the age where anyone can correct him, i really do think it is some hacker getting on his system from him going to a bad server, but telling him that he refuses to believe it because he thinks he is being blamed when he is not., and he never does any maintenance on the systems as the amount of errors listed above should show you.

thats the environment the two computers live in. and me being the only one smart enough to get them up in to safe mode and working that way so they can fix it but if i was there you know where i would be called to all the time.

so thanks for the help but i think it is fixed again. each time its something different being shown by the huge amounts of errors in the registry never thought so many different things would be effected by having it that messed up. Confused

Baby_Tux · Joined: Mar 06, 2007 Posts: 1242

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

he has not got a lot of computer no how only now how on playing online games. maintance know how is zip nada zero.

as for the info i posted you got it on the nose. only his dad would never had given him punishment if he was there.
his dad came from a broken home too was more messed up then his kid is.

as for locking them up can't do that he'll get the tool to cut the chain / cable. and for leaving them out of order until he learns, it cant be either they are not his they are his mom's but he uses them she told him hands off the laptop. the schooling on them is her college work not his, so they need to be in working order.

i wish i had control over him but i dont have enough.
i did drop in on them when i drove semi trucks and told him to do maintance on them at that time but he don't.

he called me 2 months ago for help i tried to tell him something and he said i was a liar and to stop being one. so i hung up on him, he did not talk to me until today when he called back.
so he did give that much. Cool

any little bit is a start right?

still i can't completely lay the total cause on his going to those servers, i don't think anyone in the other side of the games is doing it to the computers i am thinking there is some sort of program hiden on the server or some hackers just hiden and waiting for a link up to some computer, i believe that is the major trouble with the virus's and trojans that have been found on those computers 4 months ago.

but i did not take any offense at your advice i just can't do that and that is what i think it would take also.

i'm just in between a rock and a hard place cause i get all these strange errors told to me over the phone and i come here and ask for help because they are so strange, but when they try the simple last known good boot up or the system restore tricks the errors then show up as not that bad just lack of maintaince and or any av programs.
so i'm sorry for the strange error postings but that is what i get told so i post for help.
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Baby_Tux · Joined: Mar 06, 2007 Posts: 1242

More likely there is a trojan in the games that is affecting the computers - or code in the site HTML itself. I really don't think someone is hacking him while on the site but could. - I'll refrain from commenting on the discipline end as I probably said enough on that already, but will if you ask. & yeah, need to get a "virus" suite on there ASAP.

If you can find the name (or IP - I think) of the site you can block this in the HOSTS file:

HERE'S HOW

Being a computer "newbie" 2 to 1 he'd just think the computer was broke or the site down.

I really have to feel sorry for the Mom as she is out the NB any way she goes. Unless she can SOMEHOW keep it in her possession at all times (car maybe? - watching for heat & vibrations)

There is a program that schools use called FOOLPROOF that will lock a computer down to the point that NOTHING runs. I used it where I used to work to keep the "kids" in the plant from messing things up. But I heard that the version I used had the password hacked, hope they corrected that by now. It was for 98 so one would think so. - Cost, but may be a free version, not sure as I haven't looked at it in years.

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

thanks i knew how to block sites in win98 but could not get it working in winXp now i think i can but getting her to know how is the hard part.

thanks again although i will have to try something to get the web address of the servers?

pcrattail · Joined: Jun 11, 2004 Posts: 406

ALSO ........ WHEN you get a CHANGE to GO there DIRECTLY...... DO put in PASSWORDS.

MAKE accounts FOR each and ..... Password Protect the ADMIN account. Do not tell the MOM or CHILD the Password.

HERE is my 2 CENTS worth on it also .... WITHOUT the mother DOING her DUTIES, the SON will never Learn. YOU need to TELL the MOTHER, that IF she does NOT get the SON under control WITH the Computers, YOU will no LONGER work on them. I had to do the same think TO one of my Clients.

IT is YOUR time, YOUR energy, YOUR head-ace, YOUR money (in Gas) that you are SPENDING. YOU can sit back and moan about it (like I first did), or you can MAKE the Person who is SUPPOSED to be in CONTROL, take CONTROL (like I finally had to do). Sometimes we have to stop being nice and bit the bullet for our sakes.

YOU will have one of two results..
1. YOU will loose a Client/Friend
2. YOU will teach better Parenting Skills and Computer care all at the same time.
I am BETTING the SECOND will happen.

drwho07 · Joined: Nov 29, 2007 Posts: 2238 Location: Central FL, USA

Hearing all the problems that people have with their estranged kids, makes me glad I never had any.

But I have customers who have exactly the same kinds of problems with their kids. My worse case scenario was an Army mom who left her teen aged boys home alone for months at a time, while she did her Army thing.

She called me while she was home on 'Leave' to repair the family PC.
It was so loaded with viruses, spyware and pornography that I had to reinstall windows, after reformatting the HD.
When I told her what I'd found on the PC she blew her top and ripped out the DSL modem and called the ISP and canceled the internet service.
That was her solution to the internet abuse problem.

I regularly install the custom hosts file manager "HostsMan" for all my customers who have kids. It blocks several thousand BAD web sites.

SpywareBlaster and Spybot S&D do similar things to block bad sites.

Then installing my "XPCleanup.bat" program in the Startup folder helps keep the HD clean of temporary internet files and other junk that will build up in a PC's HD, by deleting everything in the "junk" folders on every system boot.

Y'all with uncontrollable teens have my deepest sympathies.

Someday, they will have teens of their own.....paybacks are Hxxx!

Cheers Mates!
The Doctor Cool

rovingcowboy · Joined: Jan 26, 2003 Posts: 1515

nice ideas pcrattail. how ever theres always an how ever did you know that?

heres this one.

its my little sis and her kid. not any way of getting out of fixing it.

docwho,
already got the cleaning stuff in there, have spyware buster and she has sb,sd. along with other programs there are about 4 of each on there, several were set to run on timers but the task scheduler on her HP does not start them? everything is checked, but they won't start. they did until all the mess started some time last month now they dont'.

only good thing is school started now so he wont be on the things all day.
Cool

Baby_Tux · Joined: Mar 06, 2007 Posts: 1242

This is just a shot in the dark of course but could it maybe be a service missing or not running?

And BTW, I figured that was your relation to the boy, not sure how I knew, but I did. Guess it was from what you said & the situation. But to me that point was a bit irrelevant so I just let it pass. - hope things get worked out...