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mommabear
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MARTIN SCHRAM: GOP sees truth about DeLay
Scripps Howard News Service
March 29, 2005
(SH) - Belatedly but undeniably, Washington’s Republicans are beginning to see the light. They see it every time they look into a mirror - and see the unsmiling, unapologetic mug of Tom DeLay looking back at them.The House Majority Hammer has become the face of Republican Ethics - and it is not a pretty face. Politically, it is a downright ugly face, and finally, Republicans are beginning to get it. First on Main Street, then on K Street and finally, last Monday, on Wall Street, Republicans have been saying things that show they understand what regular people understood before them. DeLay has made himself the poster-pol for Washington’s standard ethical double standard: What is OK for me is attackable for you. Or, as I’ve said before: Ethics DeLayed is ethics denied.
Republicans now face the reality that DeLay will take them down with him - unless they take him down themselves first. And that is what is happening even as we speak. On Monday, the conservative voice of the Wall Street Journal editorial page weighed in, influentially: “The Beltway wisdom is right. Mr. DeLay does have odor issues. Increasingly, he smells just like the Beltway itself.” The editorial called it “an unsavory whiff that could have GOP loyalists reaching for the political Glade if it gets any worse.”....
In May 2000, Messrs. DeLay and Abramoff took a $70,000 trip to the U.K. (including a golf outing to the St. Andrews course in Scotland) in the company of two House colleagues and some staff and spouses. Depending on which account you believe, Mr. DeLay's expenses were picked up either by an outfit called the National Center for Public Policy Research, on whose board Mr. Abramoff then sat, or by Mr. Abramoff directly, who later charged the trip to his clients, the gambling Mississippi Choctaw nation. Under House rules, members are not allowed to have their travel expenses covered by a lobbyist...
http://tinyurl.com/6ho53
Ethics DeLayed is ethics denied. I like that one |
The Wall Street Journal article mentioned is here:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printT...ml?id=110006479
And a related Lockergnome thread with the Abramhoff-Indian Casino-DeLay connections here:
http://help.lockergnome.com/index.php?show...ndpost&p=244286
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| They can convict him in the press all day long. I will wait untill the ethics hearing.
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gregofvt
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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If there ever is one. The house ethics committee is evenly divided between the 2 parties, and just a month ago Delay pushed through a rules change that doesn't allow the committee to initiate an investigation or hold a hearing unless a majority of the comittee votes in favor of that action. If both parties enforce party line votes that means that no investigation will ever go forward.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought that he withdrew that. :blink: |
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gregofvt
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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No, he withdrew even more partisan rule changes so that that one would fly under the radar.
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mommabear
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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If there ever is one. The house ethics committee is evenly divided between the 2 parties, and just a month ago Delay pushed through a rules change that doesn't allow the committee to initiate an investigation or hold a hearing unless a majority of the comittee votes in favor of that action. If both parties enforce party line votes that means that no investigation will ever go forward.
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Here's something on that.
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DeLay Ethics Allegations Now Cause of GOP Concern
By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 14, 2005; Page A01
Republican leaders had thought they had built a fortress against future trouble by changing House rules in January and by changing the House ethics committee's Republican membership in February to include members closer to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and DeLay....
Democratic leaders have introduced a resolution to repeal the rules and said they plan to try to force Republicans to publicly defend the changes at a time when the news media are reporting about DeLay's relationship with lobbyists now under criminal and congressional investigation....
The rule changes require at least one member of each party to support an investigation before it is begun. Under the old rules, if the chairman and top Democrat did not agree on what to do with a complaint within 45 days after it was determined to be valid, an investigative subcommittee was automatically created. Now, a complaint is automatically dismissed if the committee does not act within 45 days....
Democrats opened their protest Thursday, at the ethics committee's first meeting under its new leadership, by preventing the panel from organizing. The committee must adopt rules to function, and those were voted down by a 5 to 5 party-line vote, leaving the House with no mechanism for investigating or punishing members....
Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (W.Va.), the committee's top Democrat, said in a telephone interview yesterday that he will not release his freeze on committee action unless the House undoes the rule changes, and he said he has begun recruiting Republicans to back him. He said he may use a tactic known as a discharge petition, which could force a bill to the floor if enough Republicans back him....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...9-2005Mar13.htm
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| It should be removed and a hearing should be held. Until then he is innocent until proved guilty. |
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gregofvt
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. My objection is simply that he specifically engineered it to make it imposible to investigate. That's not a point in his favor, is it?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| It is not up to me to judge him, I will await the hearing. |
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patio
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de·lay Audio pronunciation of "DELAY" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-l)
v. de·layed, de·lay·ing, de·lays
v. tr.
1. To postpone until a later time; defer.
2. To cause to be later or slower than expected or desired: Heavy traffic delayed us.
v. intr.
To act or move slowly; put off an action or a decision.
n.
1. The act of delaying; postponement: responded without delay.
2. The condition of being delayed; detainment.
3. The period of time during which one is delayed.
4. The interval of time between two events.
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mommabear
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DeLay's arrogance continues:
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On Thursday, responding to Terri Schiavo’s death, Tom DeLay said:
The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today.
For the safety of the state and federal judges involved, Sen. Ted Kennedy asked DeLay to clarify his remarks:
I’m not sure what Mr. DeLay meant when he said “the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior.” But at a time when emotions are running high, Mr. DeLay needs to make clear that he is not advocating violence against anyone. People in this case have already had their lives threatened. In just the past few weeks, judges and their families in this country have been brutally murdered.
DeLay refuses to do so. In today’s New York Times, DeLay spokesman Dan Allen says:
Objective observers know that Majority Leader DeLay was once again expressing his disappointment in how the courts clearly ignored the intent of the legislation that was passed. To suggest otherwise is simply obscene.....
http://www.thinkprogress.org/
Sen. Frank Launtenberg (D-NJ) has sent a letter to Tom Delay advising him that his threat may have violated federal law:
You should be aware that your comments yesterday may violate a Federal criminal statute, 18 U.S.C. 115 (a)(1)(B). That law states:
“Whoever threatens to assault…. or murder, a United States judge… with intent to retaliate against such… judge…. on account of the performance of official duties, shall be punished [by up to six years in prison]”
Threats against specific Federal judges are not only a serious crime, but also beneath a Member of Congress. In my view, the true measure of democracy is how it dispenses justice. Your attempt to intimidate judges in America not only threatens our courts, but our fundamental democracy as well.
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/laute...schiavo_401.htm
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Why DeLay's Threats Matter:
DeLay’s vague threat against judges yesterday wasn’t just offensive, it was dangerous, especially given the serious threats against judges and others involved in the Schiavo case. Florida Pinellas County Circuit Court Judge George Greer has been “under 24-hour protection by two U.S. marshals due to increased threats against his life by those unhappy with his handling of the Schiavo case.” Last Thursday, police arrested an Illinois man they said robbed a Florida gun store as part of an attempt to “rescue Terri Schiavo.” The next day, FBI officials took into custody a North Carolina man for placing a $250,000 bounty “on the head of Michael Schiavo” and another $50,000 to murder Judge Greer. And police yesterday said they had “logged several bomb threats” to the hospice where Schiavo died and “the circuit and federal courts that refused to order her feeding tube restored.”
Links cited in the source:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/25/schiavo/ (At the bottom under "Tight Security")
http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll...1/50326014/1001
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.htm...y=1112351712000 (Reprint of Reuters article) |
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clhenry
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. |
Did you ever stop to think that maybe he was referring to a court of law??? Or maybe answer to God??? Funny how people take something said and jump without knowing.
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| For the safety of the state and federal judges involved, Sen. Ted Kennedy asked DeLay to clarify his remarks: |
From Kennedys own mouth. He doesn't KNOW what he meant. |
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clhenry
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152179,00.html
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HUME: You said today that, quote, "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, not today." What did you mean by that?
DELAY: Well, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered. We need to look at this case. We need to look at the failure of the judiciary in Florida. We need to look at the failure of the judiciary on the federal level. The United States Congress, with the president's signing, sent a bill — made a law that gave the federal courts jurisdiction to look at this case all anew. And they didn't even follow procedures.
The normal procedure would be to reconnect the feeding tube so that they could hear this case all anew. The Congress, the people's representatives told the judiciary to do that. We need to look at all this. |
That doesn't sound like threats.
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| DeLay’s vague threat against judges yesterday wasn’t just offensive, it was dangerous, |
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mommabear
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152179,00.html
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HUME: You said today that, quote, "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, not today." What did you mean by that?
DELAY: Well, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered. We need to look at this case. We need to look at the failure of the judiciary in Florida. We need to look at the failure of the judiciary on the federal level. The United States Congress, with the president's signing, sent a bill — made a law that gave the federal courts jurisdiction to look at this case all anew. And they didn't even follow procedures.
The normal procedure would be to reconnect the feeding tube so that they could hear this case all anew. The Congress, the people's representatives told the judiciary to do that. We need to look at all this. |
That doesn't sound like threats.
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He also didn't take the opportunity to denounce any of the recently reported violent threats and attempts of violence on the judges etc. |
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mommabear
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Another player in the game:
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...And Randall Terry—founder of Operation Rescue, pioneer in aggressive harassment of women seeking abortions and an advocate of a “Christian-based” nation—is in the thick of it.
National media have generally acknowledged that religious conservatives played a key role in pressuring the Florida legislature to jump into the Schiavo case. But few have publicized the central role of Terry.
No less an authority than Bob Schindler, Schiavo’s father, has acknowledged Terry’s crucial support.
“Our family asked Randall Terry to come, and we gave him carte blanche to put Terri’s fight in front of the American people,” Schindler said. “He did exactly what we asked, and more. Randall organized vigils and protests, he coordinated the media, he helped us meet with Governor Bush.”
Terry was a leader in the anti-abortion movement’s campaign in the ’80s and early ’90s to put clinics out of business through intimidation, harassment and violence.
In a 1995 speech, for example, Terry reportedly said of doctors who perform abortions, “When I, or people like me, are running the country, you’d better flee, because we will find you, we will try you and we will execute you.”
Following an anti-racketeering lawsuit by the National Organization for Women, he agreed in 1998 to a permanent injunction against any future actions against clinics.
But Terry is back. He resurfaced last summer in Ponte Vedra Beach in northern Florida and formed a new organization, The Society for Truth and Justice. His first campaign was against the U.S. Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision striking down anti-sodomy laws, and he launched an “Impeach the Twisted Six” campaign with a rally in Jacksonville on August 9.
Turnout was low, however. But then came the Schiavo case and a ready-made platform for Terry’s demagoguery....
Regardless of how the courts may rule in the Schiavo case, Terry has warned that the anti-abortion movement will continue its campaign. “Life is life,” he said. But in an era of increasingly sophisticated medical technology, such slogans do little to answer complicated questions.
Many people, even conservatives, have taken the lesson from the Schiavo case that everyone should have a living will. But if religious extremists get their way, living wills may not be worth the paper they are written on....
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/369/
...Terry, the spokesman for Schiavo's parents and the former leader of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, threatened political retribution on those who didn't support them.
"I promise you, if she dies, there's going to be hell to pay with pro-life, pro-family, Republican people of various legislative levels, both statewide and federally, who have used pro-life, pro-family, conservative rhetoric to get into power, and then when they have the power, they refuse to use it," he said....
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/monterey...cs/11222353.htm
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While DeLay and others use rhetoric cloaked in "political retribution" explanations, many followers of these people are not so nuanced. |
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clhenry
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| He also didn't take the opportunity to denounce any of the recently reported violent threats and attempts of violence on the judges etc. |
Again, what violent threats???? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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After reading THIS Delay should be replaced.
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| Vice President Cheney says he opposes revenge against judges for their refusal to prolong the life of the late Terri Schiavo, although he did not criticize House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) for declaring that they will "answer for their behavior." |
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gregofvt
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Did I hear you right, Sip? Weren't you defending him just a few days ago?
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kenmabmcc
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I agree. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. My objection is simply that he specifically engineered it to make it imposible to investigate. That's not a point in his favor, is it?
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If he specifically engineered it to make it impossible to investigate, isn't that in itself an admission of guilt? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Did I hear you right, Sip? Weren't you defending him just a few days ago?
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Not on this issue. He is outright wrong to state that Federal judges will answer for their behavior. |
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