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xavierx



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Gallup: Race Not An Issue - As Long As You're White

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111049/Obamas-Race-May-Much-Plus-Minus.aspx
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PRINCETON, NJ -- While 6% of voters say they are less likely to vote for Barack Obama because of his race, 9% say they are more likely to vote for him, making the impact of his race a neutral to slightly positive factor when all voters' self-reported attitudes are taken into account.

At the same time, 6% of voters say John McCain's race will make them less likely to vote for him, with 7% saying it makes them more likely to vote for him, leading to the same basic conclusion: McCain's race, like Obama's, is on balance neither a plus nor a minus.
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The potential impact of Obama's race on the election has been the more scrutinized this year. These data, taken at face value, show that if anything, his race could be a net plus, in the sense that it makes slightly more voters want to vote for him than not want to vote for him.

There is, as expected, a difference by the race of the respondent in answers to this question.
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Among nonwhites in the sample, there is a net difference of 11 percentage points in Obama's favor in terms of the likelihood to vote for him because of his race. Among non-Hispanic whites in the sample, there is a slight net negative for Obama of -1 point.

The impact of McCain's race among nonwhites, on the other hand, is -8 points. Among whites it is +4.
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The data analyzed here -- based on voters' self-reports -- show that the impact of Obama's and McCain's races appears to cut both ways. Enough voters, particularly nonwhites, say they are more likely to vote for Obama because of his race to offset the small percentage who say they are less likely to vote for him because of his race. And the same is true in reverse for McCain: the impact of nonwhites' saying his race is a negative is offset by those who say it is a positive.

More specifically, to review perhaps the most important finding in these data, 7% of white voters say Obama's race makes them less likely to vote for him. But 6% of white voters say Obama's race makes them more likely to vote for him. And among nonwhite voters, Obama's race is a significant net plus.
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So much for White Republicans being the racist ones.
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ejward



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject:

One of the polls I saw showed that white rural women were most likely to NOT vote for Obama because of race. That wasn't the demographic I was expecting. But all in all, I'm glad to see that race is pretty much a wash .... as it should be.
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xavierx



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject:

Yep, race is a wash, as long as you're white.
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ejward



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:10 pm    Post subject:

And many people were going to vote for Hillery because she was a woman. many are voting for McCain because Palin is a woman. Everybody's got there reasons. Did you honestly think that non-whites weren't going to favor Obama? I know some people that are not voting for Obama because he's a secret Muslim. It's really because he's black, but they're just not saying that.
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xavierx



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject:

My point with this is really about the hypocrisy. People are quick to claim that white people are racist, but the fact that black people are going to vote for Obama just because he's black somehow isn't racist.
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ejward



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject:

I agree, it's racisim to not vote for McCain because he's white. It's a case of the pot calling the kettle African American ....... sorry. Had to throw that one in there. Seriously though. It is racisim but, what can you do? In past elections (200+ years woorth) it wasn't an issue.
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mommabear



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

xavierx wrote:
My point with this is really about the hypocrisy. People are quick to claim that white people are racist, but the fact that black people are going to vote for Obama just because he's black somehow isn't racist.


Well, let's throw this into the mix. I was reading a blog the other day and some people were saying they overheard some blacks saying they won't vote, period, because they had no faith that their vote for Obama would count. Now, that's really sad.

Part of the reason I'm voting for Obama is precisely because he's black...and multicultural...because I think it's about time! Does that make me a racist against my white race?

Like ej said, most people pick their candidate for a variety of reasons. Let's just hope that our country has finally grown up enough that the percentage of blacks and whites who will only vote for color won't have any effect on the outcome.
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xavierx



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

It looks from the poll that whites have "grown up" but not blacks. And yes, voting for someone based on their race it racism. Supposedly, we vote for the person we think will do the best job. If anyone thinks that Obama's race will help him be a better President, that's racism.
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kenmabmcc



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Many states have colluded with suppressing the black vote over many years.

It is great that an articulate, part black, person is running for the presidency,
so it is not unexpected that other black voters would wish to vote for him.

As he is part black and part white, anyone in the US could be called racist,
if they voted for or against the part they did, or did not, like.

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mommabear



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

xavierx wrote:

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It looks from the poll that whites have "grown up" but not blacks.

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And yes, voting for someone based on their race it racism.

3.
Supposedly, we vote for the person we think will do the best job.
If anyone thinks that Obama's race will help him be a better President, that's racism.


Now, here's where I think that general consensus is wrong.

1.
If just the whites have grown up, then what about the blacks who have voted for whites? We can't rule out that, until recent history, they really didn't have any other choice but to vote for a white candidate. One could argue that it actually makes them less racist, if you disregard the lack of black candidates, and only use their voting record. (Unless you (generic you) think the blacks have no ability to discern voting for the candidate they felt would do the best job, and just went to the polls for the heck of it.)

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It's only racist if race is the only reason you vote for a particular candidate.

3.
We vote for one candidate based on a variety of reasons, which I suppose can be summed up with the word "character", although I don't like using that word now because the campaigns are turning it into a dirty word these days. One's character is the by-product of their background and education, their life experiences, their aspirations. Barack's character was formed, in part, by his color and his mult-cultural background. He can't escape that anymore than I can escape the fact that I'm a woman and my formative years were during the 60's and 70's, when women were still pretty much second class citizens. I see the world very differently from my grand daughters in many ways.

The country is divided. The classes are fighting between each other. The world is in turmoil. Barack has grown up and lived through similar circumstances and come out the better for it. As a nation, he can help us do the same.
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