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kenmabmcc

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xavierx

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Ken, I am truly impressed with your ability to find the latest liberal talking point and spam the board with it (4 times now by my count).
Now, if anyone would like to read a much less biased report on the entire event:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/rbgh/akrewins.cfm
Of note to me in that article:
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What The Jury Decided
"Do you find that the plaintiff Jane Akre has proven by the greater weight
of the evidence that the defendant New World Communications of Tampa
through its employees or agents terminated her employment or took other
retaliatory personnel action against her because she opposed or refused to
participate in the broadcast of a false, distorted or slanted news report
which she reasonable believed would violate the prohibition against
intentional falsification or distortion of the news on television if it
were aired?"
The jury verdict as to question one: No. The courtroom remained tense as
the clerk went on to read question number 2:
"Do you find that the plaintiff Jane Akre has proven, by the greater weight
of the evidence, that the defendant, through its employees or agents,
terminated her employment or took other retaliatory personnel action
against her because she threatened to disclose to the Federal
Communications Commission under oath, in writing, the broadcast of a false,
distorted, or slanted news report which she reasonably believed would
violate the prohibition against intentional falsification or distortion of
the news on television, if it were aired?"
The jury verdict as to question 2: Yes.
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Now, given that result, how would you appeal? The only thing I can think of is what New World Communications of Tampa came up with - prove that her threat was not an actual threat, because even if they did distort something, there was no crime committed.
I'd also like to note several other things here:
1) No one proved that Fox News lied. That wasn't even part of the trial.
2) No one even proved they were forced to lie
3) The case was against WTVT, a Fox affiliate, not the Fox News Station. |
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Gezzer

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| anybody relying on Murdoch or any of his news agencies/empire for factual news reporting have to be held suspect for reporting factual news … |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Gezzer wrote: |
| anybody relying on Murdoch or any of his news agencies/empire for factual news reporting have to be held suspect for reporting factual news … |
As sports are more important,
the news, which is always bad,
must have a high entertainment value,
to compete for the viewers time.
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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rBGH (recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone)
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n 1997, it was alleged Fox News cooperated with Monsanto in suppressing an investigative report on the health risks associated with Monsanto's bovine growth hormone product, Posilac.
Posilac, a synthetic hormone used to increase milk production in cows, while banned in many first-world countries, is used in the United States. Steve Wilson and Jane Akre disagreed with the inclusion of material in the story they felt was slanted or misleading. Both reporters were eventually fired.
Wilson and Akre alleged the firing was for retaliation, while the FOX affiliate contended they were fired for insubordination. The reporters then sued Fox in Florida state court, claiming they could not be fired for refusing to do something that they believed to be illegal. In 2000, a Florida jury found that while there was no evidence FOX had bowed to any pressure from Monsanto to alter the story, Akre, but not Wilson, was unjustly fired.
The decision in Akre's favor was then overturned in 2003 by an appeals court because the whistleblower's statute under which the original case had been filed did not actually apply to the case.The court held that Fox News had no obligation to report truthfully, and the First Amendment protects their right to lie. Therefore, the court held that firing a reporter for refusing to lie is not actionable under the whistleblower statute. |
The first amendment right of free speech,
should be balanced with the responsibility to present facts,
and not misleading material.
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xavierx

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Just reposting proves nothing, Ken. No one proved Fox lied about anything.
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:51 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
Just reposting proves nothing, Ken. No one proved Fox lied about anything.
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No one has to prove that
Their attorneys defence was
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| the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. |
in other words they conceded it.
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xavierx

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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OK, Ken, whatever gets you through the night.
if you ever read more than the liberal talking points on the matter and want to actually discuss it, let me know. |
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bern

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
The first amendment right of free speech,
should be balanced with the responsibility to present facts,
and not misleading material.
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Are you suggesting that the government should assess the veracity of news reports, and sanction those deemed "not true"? |
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CowpokeBob

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:32 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| bern wrote: |
| kenmabmcc wrote: |
The first amendment right of free speech,
should be balanced with the responsibility to present facts,
and not misleading material.
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Are you suggesting that the government should assess the veracity of news reports, and sanction those deemed "not true"? |
Censorship is certainly what it sounds like he is supporting. "Free speech" should not be abridged for any reason in my opinion and especially not because you disagree or don't like it. Personally I think it would be far more helpful to actually point out the "misleading material" vs the "facts" rather than bash the messenger for delivering it.
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| The court held that Fox News had no obligation to report truthfully, and the First Amendment protects their right to lie. |
I think that the ruling from the appeals court was pretty clear in establishing a precedent that the First Amendment gives any media outlet license to lie whether it be FOX, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, The NYT, Washington Post, etc. I have seen questionable content from all of the above and many more. That is why I always try to fact check any news story I deem to be of importance and ignore them when I don't. Some of you guys should try it. |
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Gezzer

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:41 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| CowpokeBob wrote: |
| bern wrote: |
| kenmabmcc wrote: |
The first amendment right of free speech,
should be balanced with the responsibility to present facts,
and not misleading material.
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Are you suggesting that the government should assess the veracity of news reports, and sanction those deemed "not true"? |
Censorship is certainly what it sounds like he is supporting. "Free speech" should not be abridged for any reason in my opinion and especially not because you disagree or don't like it. Personally I think it would be far more helpful to actually point out the "misleading material" vs the "facts" rather than bash the messenger for delivering it.
By the way:
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| The court held that Fox News had no obligation to report truthfully, and the First Amendment protects their right to lie. |
I think that the ruling from the appeals court was pretty clear in establishing a precedent that the First Amendment gives any media outlet license to lie whether it be FOX, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, The NYT, Washington Post, etc. I have seen questionable content from all of the above and many more. That is why I always try to fact check any news story I deem to be of importance and ignore them when I don't. Some of you guys should try it. |
i do and often get insulted for my endeavours
but i can live with it … [/smile] |
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| bern wrote: |
| kenmabmcc wrote: |
The first amendment right of free speech,
should be balanced with the responsibility to present facts,
and not misleading material.
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Are you suggesting that the government should assess the veracity of news reports, and sanction those deemed "not true"? |
No,
that should be up to those who make these reports.
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kenmabmcc

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Because Of Stupidity
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| Okay, let's get you up to speed on the incredibly true story about how a bunch of right-wingers got taken in by some satiric blog post on Barack Obama's college thesis, written ages ago, and frantically presented it as real. |
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