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dobbie6060

Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 551
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Eye-on-the-flu-shot |
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bern

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Eye-on-the-flu-shot [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| dobbie6060 wrote: |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8BFJ1oCPQ
This is a skit from the Royal Canadian Air Farce troupe:funny&scary |
The only scary thing about that skit is that it may cause somebody to not get a flu shot. The probability of harm from flu, particularly if you are very young or old are much greater than any possible harm from the shot. Statistics are very clear on this point.
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dobbie6060

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Eye-on-the-flu-shot [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Dr. Mercola says:
I have heard some authors state that there is a direct correlation of the number of flu shots one has and the incidence of Alzheimer's. This would be due to the aluminum and mercury that is put in every flu shot.
... I am fond of providing the following answer to people who ask me if they should get a flu shot.
I tell them "Only if they want to get the flu".
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/11/26/flu-shot...art-two |
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bern

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Eye-on-the-flu-shot [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| dobbie6060 wrote: |
Dr. Mercola says:
I have heard some authors state that there is a direct correlation of the number of flu shots one has and the incidence of Alzheimer's. This would be due to the aluminum and mercury that is put in every flu shot.
... I am fond of providing the following answer to people who ask me if they should get a flu shot.
I tell them "Only if they want to get the flu".
http://articles.mercola.comI'm g/sites/articles/archive/2000/11/26/flu-shots-part-two.aspx |
I'm glad Mercola knows what causes Alzheimer's. The rest of the world's Alzheimer's researchers don't seem to know it yet.
The guy seems to have a pretty wacky agenda. I hope he makes a lot of money from it.  |
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drwho07

Joined: Nov 29, 2007 Posts: 1546
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Treating any disease pays big money......curing it does not.
I've not had a flu shot in 40+ years and sure nuff, I've never had the flu.
Healthy people don't get sick!
The Doctor  |
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dobbie6060

Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 551
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: In addition to avoiding Flu Shots, Dr Who, [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Planet Gallifrey has endowed You with superb immunity.& two hearts.
No doubt pus,salmonella,Listeria,pesticides,mucus,IGF-1,PCBs [aka, Dairy] are not used as body fuel there either
www.notmilk.com |
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dobbie6060

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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Eye-on-the-flu-shot [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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"The only safe vaccine is the one that is never used."
-- James Shannon
Former National Institutes of Health (NIH) Director
"I haven't got a flu shot and I don't intend to."
- - George W. Bush |
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bern

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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Eye-on-the-flu-shot [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| dobbie6060 wrote: |
"The only safe vaccine is the one that is never used."
-- James Shannon
Former National Institutes of Health (NIH) Director |
This is usually constructed as "The only wholly safe vaccine is the one that is never used." And constructed that way it has some truth to it. Unfortunately, I cannot find the exact quote or its source, so I cannot verify its accuracy or context. Several other source seekers also can't find the exact quote or source, suggesting to me it is a fabrication.
Regarding "wholly safe": Anything that is "effective" whether it is regular medicine, vaccines, homeopathic remedy or other, anything that is effective alters the body in some way, or it wouldn't be "effective". And in altering the body, "side effects" will occur, if only because of human variability. So, the "wholly safe" criterion eliminates all "effective" remedys.
Another point: Smallpox vaccine is certainly not without serious side effects. For every thousand smallpox vaccines given, you can expect one serious, but not life threatening reaction. This is bad. But, the result of using smallpox vaccine worldwide has been eradication of the disease without further vaccination being necessary. And, the bad effects of the disease are so much worse than the bad effects of the vaccine that vaccinating nearly everybody made total sense.
The near elimination of Polio in most of the world is another success story for universal vaccination.
Thousands of children used to die annually of Diphtheria or Whooping cough. Now we read about the occaional bad reaction to the vaccine and nobody dies.
In life, everything you do is a tradeoff. Using a refrigerator to keep from getting food poisoning contributes to global warming. Which would you rather do? So, while vaccines do cause side effects (and these are widely reported in the press) the net good greatly outweighs the bad. |
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dobbie6060

Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 551
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: Follow the $$$$ [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Follow the Money
Positioned as a loss leader, vaccines appear to be the
economic drivers of both the medical and the
pharmaceutical industry...
http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/full-page.php?id=09002219307&&a...page=ar
What is dogma?
Webster’s defines dogma as “a doctrine; a positive
arrogant assertion of opinion” and medical dogmas
certainly abound. Many have existed for decades simply
because a claim of effectiveness was made and never
disputed. Over time, the allegations were melded into
medical jargon, presumed to be facts...
Vaccination is a medical treatment, and, like dogmas,
assumptions regarding the effectiveness of medical
practices abound. A report published by The Government
Accounting Office (GAO) in 1978 concluded that “only
10 to 20 percent of all procedures currently used in
medical practice have been shown to be efficacious by
controlled trials.”[4] In other words, up to 90
percent of accepted medical practices are assumed to
be effective without proof. Vaccination falls into
this category...
http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/full-page.php?id=15312319707&&a...page=ar
DOCTORS CONDEMN VACCINATION
"The greatest threat of childhood disease lies in the
dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them
through mass immunisation". - Dr. R. Mendelsohn Author
and Pediatrician
"Official data have shown that the large-scale
vaccinations undertaken in the US have failed to
obtain any significant improvement of the diseases
against which they were supposed to provide
protection".
-- Dr. A. Sabin - Developer of Polio Vaccine
"Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin
polio vaccine, being made of monkey kidney tissue has
been directly responsible for the major increase in
leukemia in this country".
-- Dr. Frederick Klenner,Polio Researcher, USA
DID YOU KNOW...........
THE CAUSAL LINK BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION OF A GREAT
VARIETY OF VACCINES AND SERIOUS REACTION INCLUDING
PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE AND DEATH. VACCINATION IS THE
SINGLE BIGGEST CAUSE OF SIDS (SUDDEN INFANT DEATH)
Dr. Viera Scheibner
Polio has not been eradicated by vaccination, it is
lurking behind a redefinition and new diagnostic names
like viral or aseptic meningitis.
When the first, injectable polio vaccine was tested
on some 1.8 million children in the United States in
1954, within 9 days there was huge epidemic of
paralytic polio in the vaccinated and some of their
parents and other contacts. The US Surgeon General
discontinued the trial for 2 weeks...
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/vaccination.htm |
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dobbie6060

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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: In addition to avoiding Flu Shots, Dr Who, [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Flu Mist a popular over the counter live flu vaccine has been found to contain two H5N1 DNA markers...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eYEsSXyP-rc |
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kenmabmcc

Joined: Nov 20, 2003 Posts: 8181
Location: Dunedin, New Zealand.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| drwho07 wrote: |
Treating any disease pays big money......curing it does not.
I've not had a flu shot in 40+ years and sure nuff, I've never had the flu.
Healthy people don't get sick!
The Doctor  |
I have had flu shots for the last 15 years and sure nuff, I've never had the flu.
I must be healthy.
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seaeagle

Joined: Aug 31, 2004 Posts: 5764
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Sadly, childhood diseases that were virtually wiped out when I was a child such as Whooping Cough and Polio are now making a comeback down here. The increased incidence has been attributed to the number of "new-age" parents who refuse to vaccinate their children. When I was a child, every kid was vaccinated, and I never had to worry about one day finding I could not walk and would have to spend the rest of my life in an iron lung due to polio.
People who refuse to vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child cruelty. No child should be put at risk of spending the rest of his/her life in an iron lung, or have to suffer other debilitating - in many cases life-threatening - illnesses when they can be easily immunised against them.
To me, people who refuse vaccination are just plain selfish. They become carriers of disease, and spread it to others who have not been vaccinated - especially newborn babies who are still too young to have their shots. They should be kept apart from the rest of society due to the danger they pose. |
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Lisa_P

Joined: Nov 13, 2008 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: Flu Shots [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Vaccination can be huge help in order for us to be safe from illness. It is the most effective method of preventing our children from diseases. We really should consider this, especially now that fall season is here. You should already know that washing your hands is the easiest, most inexpensive way to prevent any illnesses from spreading, including the flu virus. It is important that you’re aware of the severity of this virus. About 226,000 people are hospitalized every year, and almost 36,000 people die each year on behalf of the flu. Unfortunately, this virus not only takes a toll on your body, but on your budget as well. Health experts suggest getting an annual flu shot, which typically cost $25-$30. Okay, that sounds like a reasonable price. However, when you have a family of five, those $30 shots add up quickly! In addition to that, other treatments along with hospital visits can be expensive too. If you need help this pay period, a payday cash loan can help cover those medical bills, not to mention save you future financial hardships.
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dobbie6060

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Well, do ya punk?
- just think how many panic visits the doctor,aka,M[edical]D[eity]!
-what a great money-maker for the healing profession,whose oath is
'do no harm'
http://www.y2khealthanddetox.com/fluprevention.htm
vids++
Flu Vaccine Side Effects:
To add to this whole story, not only does the vaccine not work, but there are documented side effects, even beyond possible Autism and Alzheimer's. The most devastating effects of mercury for instance, are to your neurological system.
Here is a partial list[sic] of what you may be gambling with:
I. Neurological complications
A. Paralysis
1) Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS)
2) Facialis paralysis
3) Paralysis of the extremities
4) Landry syndrome (
5) Hypoglossus nerve paralysis (11)
B. Polyneuritis
1) Hypoesthesia
2) Paresthesia (formication and numbness) have been noticed (4,
3) Neuralgia
a) Trigeminus neuralgia (
b) Ischialgia (right sided) (
c) Intercostal neuralgia (chestpain) (
d) Sensory brachial plexus neuropathy (Parsonage-Turner Syndrome) (8, 12, 13).
C. Meningitis
D. Encephalitis
E. Multiple Sclerosis
F. Ataxia
G. Headache
H. Disorientation about places (
I. Unconsciousness
J. Trembling of upper limbs (21)
K. Automatic motions of fingers and toes (21)
L. Aphasia (loss of speech) (
II. Respiratory Infections
A. Bronchitis
B. Bronchopneumonia
III. Gastro-intestinal problems
A. Vomiting
B. Nausea (
C. Rectal incontinence (
IV. Urinary symptoms
Dysuria or paralysis of the bladder
V. Sexual problems
Impotence
VI. ORL
A. Vertigo
B. Noises in the ears (
C. Impeded hearing (
VII. Eyes
A. Prooptosis (
B. Oedema of the retina (
C. Diminished vision; blurred vision (
D. Diplopia (
E. Nystagmus (
F. Paralysis of eye muscles (cranial nerves VII &X) (
VIII. Circulatory problems
A. Collapse (
B. Transient livid discoloration of the hands (
C. Allergic thrombocytopenia in a 58 years old man 7 days after vaccination
D. Disturbed blood pressure (both increased of decreased) (
E. Angor pectoris (
F. Collapse (
IX. General symptoms
A. Fever
B. Somnolence
C. Fatigue
D. Anaphylactic reactions
X. Mental problems
A. Difficulty in thinking (21)
B. Loss of initiative (21)
C. Confusion (14)
D. Hallucinations (14)
XI. Emotional problems
Sadness (21)
XII. Death |
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dobbie6060

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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Shades of MontyPython- This is Science! [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Invented in the 1920’s by Eli Lilly, thimerosal is 49.6% ethlymercury by weight, a neurotoxin known to be more than a hundreds times more lethal to tissue than lead.
Eli Lilly’s safety testing of the product consists of a 1930 study of 22 patients dieing from mengiococcal meningitis in an Indiana hospital. Patients are injected with the solutions and followed until their death, which is within days.
Because the patients die of meningitis, they are declared to show no adverse reaction to thimerosal and the product is declared safe for use.
Thimerosal is subsequently introduced for use in vaccines and in over the counter remedies as a preservative to kill bacteria in the product.
When the FDA is created, Thimerosal is grandfathered in and is not subjected to any additional safety testing.
The 1930 study remains the only safety testing done on the substance even after being in use for over 75 years.
Through FOIA requests and documents acquired as a part of discovery process in lawsuits against Lilly, it is clear that they have been warned about, and have been aware of the dangers of the product since at least 1947...
--Ginger Taylor
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2005/08/beginning-at-beginning.html |
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bern

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dobbie6060

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Sanity? no.it's all about $$$$ [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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http://www.naturalnews.com/z011764.html
...Banned around the world, but not in the United States
That might explain why thimerosal was eliminated in many countries 20 years ago. In 1977, a Russian study found that adults exposed to ethylmercury, the form of mercury in thimerosal, suffered brain damage years later. Studies on thimerosal poisoning also describe tubular necrosis and nervous system injury, including obtundation, coma and death.
As a result of these findings, Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines in 1980. Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have also banned the preservative.
Eli Lilly stuck to its "scientific" facts, but the truth began slipping between the cracks in 1999. After the number of immunizations rose to 12 to 15 per child, the public finally became privy to the possible dangers of thimerosal.
One 1999 study revealed that some infants, due to a genetic or developmental factor, lack the ability to eliminate mercury. Trace amounts of mercury in these infants, when accumulated over several vaccines, could pose a severe health risk. Some vaccines, such as vaccines for hepatitis B, contained as much as 12.5 micrograms of mercury per dose. That's more than 100 times the EPA's upper limit standard when administered to infants... |
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dobbie6060

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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Do as I say,not as I do: 70% of doctors don't get flu jab [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Dr. Donald Miller, a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington, recommends avoiding the flu shot and taking vitamin D instead.
According to Dr. Miller,
“Seventy percent of doctors do not get a flu shot.”
Health officials say that every winter 36,000 people will die from it. But the National Vital Statistics Reports compiled by the CDC show that only 1,138 deaths a year occur due to influenza alone -- more than 34,000 of the “36,000″ flu deaths are actually pneumonic and cardiovascular deaths.
There is also a lack of evidence that young children benefit from flu shots. In fact, a systematic review of 51 studies involving 260,000 children age 6 to 23 months found no evidence that the flu vaccine is any more effective than a placebo. But there is also a risk of harm from the flu vaccine itself, particularly from the mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde it contains.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/09/prominen...hysicia |
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bern

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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Do as I say,not as I do: 70% of doctors don't get flu j [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| dobbie6060 wrote: |
Dr. Donald Miller, a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington, recommends avoiding the flu shot and taking vitamin D instead.
According to Dr. Miller,
“Seventy percent of doctors do not get a flu shot.” |
That could be because 70% of doctors are not in the recommended age ranges. On the other hand, maybe Dr. Miller is just wrong. After all, he is a cardiac surgeon, not an epidemiologist. Even Linus Pauling, Nobel Prize winner, got it wrong when he strayed outside his field of expertise.
| dobbie6060 wrote: |
| Health officials say that every winter 36,000 people will die from it. But the National Vital Statistics Reports compiled by the CDC show that only 1,138 deaths a year occur due to influenza alone -- more than 34,000 of the “36,000″ flu deaths are actually pneumonic and cardiovascular deaths. |
That is correct. Influenza, in an elderly population, often leads to pneumonia, and heart failure. These are very common complications of the disease and are the major causes of death from an influenza infection, and so are the principal reasons to avoid getting it.
What you are saying is analogous to saying that it is OK to get hit by a car, as most people who get hit by a car die of bleeding or brain trauma, not the impact itself. |
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dobbie6060

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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: Vacci-Nation R USA [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Mike Adams says:
Get ready for a whole new mandatory vaccination push under the Obama administration, folks.
It's the same scam that's been running under the Bush Administration, but now it's going to be disguised as "public health policy." Yep, all those vaccines are President Obama's way of caring for the American people, didn't you know?
Big Business always wins in Washington.
As long as the corporations are running the lawmakers and the politicians, the People are always going to get screwed.
The only thing that changes is the face of the person fronting the scam -- and the name of the political party he belongs to. Republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter: Virtually all politicians secretly belong to the same, single party called the Big Business Party, and their decisions are made to please Big Business, not to protect the People.
You might as well start making your vaccination protest banners right now.
With Gupta at the helm,
America is going to be a whole new Vacci-Nation.
http://www.naturalnews.com/News_000649_Dr_Sanjay_Gupta_Obama_Surgeon_G...ral.htm |
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