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pasquanel
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 Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Ken if the "Evil Big Oil" is willing to invest in this endeavor what exactly is your beef? Years ago Bill Lear was told that a radio tuner
could not be less than 6 1/2" in diameter and he being uneducated in this science did it anyway!
What skin is if off your nose if "Big Oil" tries and fails? It seems to me it would only back your very negative views on this topic!
You have put forward every negative on why it's not going to work so why not let them try and prove your point? This isn't Gov. money
it's money you seem to think that they have come by illicitly. "Big Oil" has earned (key word earned) record profits this year because of the huge volume of oil we consumed not because of anything they did, 7 1/2 to 8 1/2% profit is well within the limits we condone for other business.  |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Big oil have had several prototype plants over the years including the latest.
They have yet to crack all the problems of producing oil from "oil" "shale".
I am sure when all the problems are solved, oil companys will be producing oil fractions from kerogen worldwide.
But to expect kerogen to solve the US energy problems in the near future,
is wishful thinking.
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Ken,
From the beginning of this post neither I nor Mr. Krauthammer has ever suggested shale oil was the panacea to our foreign oil dependency
and I'm certain you are aware of that. I thought most of us were in agreement that it would take "all of the above".
If the oil companies are able to solve the "shale oil" problem I restate my initial question to you "what exactly is your beef?" It's their money
and if they chose to use it in this research how is it your opinion is more qualified than the people in the oil business?
If we are able to convert coal to gas do you really believe shale oil is unsolvable? Separating oxygen and hydrogen from water seems to be pretty much straight forward and for that matter Co2 removal is fairly simple also. Once a technology becomes profitable wonders happen!
There is no greater motivator than greed and self advancement and both are in play here. |
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Now why do you suppose anyone would be in opposition to this?
Environmentalists Oppose New CO2 Scrubber Idea
Hmm seems there is an hidden agenda perhaps? |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| pasquanel wrote: |
| If we are able to convert coal to gas do you really believe shale oil is unsolvable? |
Been in that highly polluting industry, making gas from coal,
many cancer causing chemicals are made in that process... 
East Germanys' pollution problems with it's past coal fired industry are well known.
The simplest way to solve the foreign oil dependency,
is to use far less of it.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| So, Ken, are you volunteering to use no oil or oil products then? Because most of us have to live in the real world where alternatives are decades away. |
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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OK my friend from south of everything, that's all I was looking for!
Your problem is oil in general not how we can use it responsibly!
The typical Liberal response is always to backup never to solve the problems.
Some of us, I for one don't want to go back to 1890. We have the technology and the responsibility
to do it right! |
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| BTW, You and yours can use less of it if it makes you feel better! |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| pasquanel wrote: |
OK my friend from south of everything, that's all I was looking for!
Your problem is oil in general not how we can use it responsibly!
The typical Liberal response is always to backup never to solve the problems.
Some of us, I for one don't want to go back to 1890. We have the technology and the responsibility
to do it right! |
No one of us wants to go back to 1890.
As we pass/or have passed, peak oil production, life will change,
the way and how/where we live will change, our use of energy will change.
We can either embrace alternatives sources of energy,
or live in a highly polluted world,
or go back to 1890.
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